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This is why I want to play.
Do you. I cant justify doing so, pretty as I think it is.
You only know how it looks. This is not sufficient evidence to judge that it is worth playing beyond the fact that it looks good.
Many games have "looked good" and then turned out terrible.
This game has a reputation with its creator that previously declared that the game was espousing views that are pro-GG and anti-feminism.
Just like watching Passion of the Christ as an Atheist, you would have to make peace with the fact that you would be giving money to people trying to further causes that are against your own views.
Except here, you might be able to get away with purchasing it and not realizing that supporting the creator could harm people other than yourself down the line, in which you would be party to, indirectly.
It's something I'm not willing to support in any manner OR off-chance that it could happen.
bigjeffery
Member
I don't know, probably not. I do know that if in this hypothetical scenario, someone told me they read his works, disagreed with the racism or whatever (I've read very little HP Lovecraft so I'm not entirely sure what his deal is), but enjoyed them because of X and Y, I wouldn't see anything wrong with it.
I think you're just banging heads against the wall at this point. You have no proof that it's changed beyond his statement, we have no proof it's the same outside of his statement.
The problem with his statement is that he only made it after the backlash of his views were out. I don't think anyone would really double down on iffy views when a business deal or partnership is in the balance. Unless I'm not seeing the right things, I haven't seen the team mentioning story overhauls or anything like that. It's mostly tech stuff that they tweet about for the game.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Can't wait
The difference is that that game was deliberately created in that fashion. Mein Kampf wasn't created to be a fun ride, nor to get people thinking about how uncomfortable it is to read. It's a propaganda piece, plain and simple.
The only way you can read Mein Kampf is as a history piece and a character study of Hitler.
That might be enjoyable to some, but it's not the same thing as saying "I can distance myself from all the abhorrent stuff in there but still appreciate the writing and the overall story."
I think that shit is bannable. I'd appreciate if you would edit that. That's not what I wrote, at all.
Answers in bold.
He tells you what his game is about. Its been posted many times. In his own words on his own account.
ForkNetwork
Banned
ftfy
bigjeffery
Member
Obviously I want to play it because I like the way it looks, but I'll also admit a part of me is interested in seeing what messaging is in the game and how it's delivered. Best case scenario, we have another Ben Shaprio's "True Allegiance" on our hands.
Look, I can't argue around the financials. If the guy is a dirtbag, buying his game is giving money to a dirtbag. But I've already put money in Gal Gadot and the Ender's Game guy's pockets, so I guess it doesn't bother me that much.
EDIT: Oh whoops, my bad. I messed up my quote formatting while paring the text down. I fixed it.
CannonFodder52
Member
Your english is fine buddy.
Lol no problem, I thought you were trolling by quoting me and making stuff up that I never wrote. Didn't see someone else wrote that. Thanks. I'm going to sleep now though.
the_darkness
Banned
No.
He told us what is was about in 2014.
In 2017 he has said it's not about that any more. Many times. In his own words.
Wow this is rich.
Isn't that the ex-Breitbart bigot? How is anything from that guy a best case scenario?
You don't have the slightest clue what was going on.
He quoted a post of mine that contained nothing of what I wrote but something seemingly made up, not related to anything we discussed, as well as his answer to that. It came across as a troll. Turned out he mistakingly had my name in the quotes while wanting to respond to someone else.
Super rich I know.
Here I have an example:
Wow are you sure? I don't, that's really strange of you.
(See how that comes across as a shitty thing to do? Almost like I'm trolling you hard, especially if we would be in the midst of a conversation?)
The only thing being rich here is that you're chiming in on that instead of adressing multiple people that have posts directed at you.
bigjeffery
Member
The Chapo Reading series where they read his book and you get to experience just how broken and fucked up the conservative mind is first hand, is absolutely hilarious.
the_darkness
Banned
I've addressed every argument made in response to my posts. I'm not going to reply to a dozen separate posts to say the same thing.
You are human. Your subconscious exists. Humans are not robots or rational actors. You are susceptible to both stimuli that you are conscious of and unconscious of.
Advertising works even if you are aware of it. Psychologists are employed by marketing and even game developers for a reason. It works.
https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...g-works-even-when-you-think-it-doesnt/244252/
CIA analysts that monitor covert propaganda has to be debriefed because they start believing the propaganda even though they are aware of it's existance.
https://youtu.be/yGrcHhfUZDk 22:00
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Yes. In a statement where he lied about other things concerning his beliefs, and his co-worker lied on his behalf here. No reason to take him at his word. So yes, we do know what the central theme of his game was, and he gives no reason to believe it has significantly changed due to his documented dishonesty.
Of course we don't know anything with 100% certainty until the thing is out in the wild. But he told us once, and there's not reason to believe it has changed yet. Why in the world would anyone take a proven liar at his word over this one specific thing? If he rips all of that out of the game, and goes with a completely different less hateful theme and story, great. I won't blame anyone for buying a beautiful game that's not hate group propaganda. Until it's proven that that has happened when people dig into it, then I'm not changing my stance, and saying we don't know what it's about is disingenuous.
Systolique
Member
Why is a random ass poster whose name clearly depics the place his brain is plunged into allowed to derail this thread for 8 pages?
He is clearly hard baiting you guys, ignore his stupid answers, it's been so obvious for the last 10 or so
He is clearly hard baiting you guys, ignore his stupid answers, it's been so obvious for the last 10 or so
Maybe admit that your "this is rich" post was a failed attempt at a gotcha moment? Or just a "my bad" would be enough really. Would be the polite thing to do.
You're right I guess. Really need to sleep too.
If you had a good idea what it was about, and you thought it seemed like a fun read so you bought it from the Nazi party, then yes... you are probably a Nazi.
Seriously though, cool it with the ridiculous historical comparisons. They're nonsense.
Ah, I get it. That's actually a pretty good point, imo. I'll have to check that out.
you're saying that buying a book is an indication of being a nazi and somehow that guy is the one who needs to cool down? lol
THAT is interesting! And disturbing, of course.
bigjeffery
Member
Okay, but that's not what I'm talking about.
My point is that consuming a work isn't inherently any sort of value judgement. It is not impossible to imagine any number of scenarios where someone could read Mein Kamf and not be a Nazi, and similarly it's going to be possible to play this game and not be a Gamer Gater.
pretty much, yeah. the only way you come out of reading Mein Kampf looking like/being a Nazi is if you agreed with what the book stands for. it's not at all a tough concept to read something either just out of sheer curiosity or for a grasp of what that person was thinking.
I don't think anyone will disagree with you here.
But in the context of the gaming community and how it treats these topics as well as the current political s
Climate, can you see why people wouldn't want to support the game or have it propped up by Microsoft or IGN?
Obviously that's not what I said. Try reading again. I was talking about Mein Kompf specifically in the context of buying it from the Nazi party, and thinking the subject sounded fun. Also I didn't say "cool down". I was saying "cool it" with the comparisons with historical works, because they're very much not the same thing. If English isn't your first language, and you find this confusing, I apologize.
and? your post is still ridiculous lol. keep comparing apples to oranges.
you can just as easily see why people aren't affected by such things, yes? regardless of what your take is on why or how they are. not to say that they are at all right (or wrong) in doing so.
bigjeffery
Member
Sure, and while I'll always advocate for separating art from artist, if other people can't or don't want to do so, that's entirely up to them. I've certainly avoided games for worse reasons.
Yeah I don't have a problem with people looking forward to the game. Only issue I have is people willfully ignoring it and putting their heads in the sand and pretend like other's issues don't exist.
ShironRedshift
Member
This ain't a "can you enjoy Polanski's movies, knowing what he's done" kind of situation though. It's impossible to separate art from artist in this particular case. It doesn't apply at all, since the game is literally about the artist's beliefs. They're one and the same.
I agree, but what of those who don't let others' issues change their view of the game? not outright ignoring those issues per se but getting their own evaluation.
how so? do you have a quote or any video to back this up? this would change my view of the game heavily if it's the case, but I've seen nothing of the sort. like, as far as I can tell, the developer's just an ass on twitter.
It doesn't effect me and it's their choice and money. I'm not going to police someone on what to do with their money.
good on you then, I've seen a lot of people that have. I have a basic interest in the game but I would never scold or try to condemn anyone else for buying it, regardless of anything.
Yes, that I agree with. Though maybe not "many" scenarios. All I can think of is academic purposes, and from a "know thy enemy" perspective. Anyway, I think part of the problem here is you're using a historical book you haven't read, written by someone who led a genocide, as an example. Mein Kampf as an example when the big argument is separating the art from the artist, or getting "enjoyment" out of a work, is really awful. Could have at least gone with a modern day shitheel example like Orson Scott Card who writes novels tons of not-awful people find entertaining.
LegitMcfalls
Member
The creator seems like a dink but I do want to experience this game myself before making any judgements.
bigjeffery
Member
It's buried earlier in the thread, but the creator explicitly said the game is set in a dystopia where "feminism wins" or something equally stupid.
Does that matter, though? Criticism usually ignores authorial intent.
To be fair, someone else brought it up.
the_darkness
Banned
Lol. Arguing a side of the topic of the thread ain't derailing.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
What is milkshake duck?
Surprised people still don't know this with all the shit going on these days.
LegitMcfalls
Member
Thank you for asking im curious too! Im afraid if I google it ill be put on a list somewhere...