Its not about alignment. Its support for a piece of work that upholds a morally repugnant view. If you wanna play because you think its pretty, just say so.
This is why I want to play.
Its not about alignment. Its support for a piece of work that upholds a morally repugnant view. If you wanna play because you think its pretty, just say so.
Do you. I cant justify doing so, pretty as I think it is.This is why I want to play.
No it's not, because clearly the game looks really great. It has a really cool art style, looks interesting to play, etc. It's more like watching Passion of the Christ as an Atheist or something.
You think Lovecraft's influence would fly if his works were created within this generation with his vocal ideals out of the open thanks to modern visual/audio technology?
No.
That tells me he still has some shitty opinions but it doesn't tell me what his game is about.
I honestly do agree with this. Something like Papers, Please is not exactly fun to play after a certain point - intentionally so - but still holds a lot of value for the message it is trying to convey. The only issue is when people pick up the wrong ideas from something instead of approaching 'dangerous' material in a scholarly fashion, but that's a difficult line to draw since you won't really know how someone might react until it is too late.
Still. Value isn't just intrinsically tied to much one 'enjoyed' something.
I don't know, probably not. I do know that if in this hypothetical scenario, someone told me they read his works, disagreed with the racism or whatever (I've read very little HP Lovecraft so I'm not entirely sure what his deal is), but enjoyed them because of X and Y, I wouldn't see anything wrong with it.
You only know how it looks. This is not sufficient evidence to judge that it is worth playing beyond the fact that it looks good.
Tell that to Cuphead. If it didn't have that art style and it was a military aesthetic or something, I'd never touch it.
Many games have "looked good" and then turned out terrible.
Can't disagree with that.
This game has a reputation with its creator that previously declared that the game was espousing views that are pro-GG and anti-feminism.
Shrug. I don't think I've ever read into the politics of any game, maybe I just don't take them as seriously as people around here. I got into an argument with people when Reggie said that Nintendo's games aren't political, and people argued that this is impossible. Point is, even if this game does bash me over the head with politics I don't agree with, I'll still view it as a game and take it as it is - even if I end up telling friends that "it's a weird fuckin' game" - the art style is cool enough for me to be in the world without being disgusted by the story it's telling. But coming back to the gameplay thing, yeah, if it sucks, won't bother.
Just like watching Passion of the Christ as an Atheist, you would have to make peace with the fact that you would be giving money to people trying to further causes that are against your own views.
I mean, yeah, but I give money to way dumber shit than that, such as McDonald's. I also hang out with people who I completely politically disagree with (and on a religion level)
- should I also stop hanging out with them because apparently there's nothing else I can enjoy out of the friendship? The game can be the same.
Except here, you might be able to get away with purchasing it and not realizing that supporting the creator could harm people other than yourself down the line, in which you would be party to, indirectly.
Lol, barking up the wrong tree with this one. It's a little indie video game, me spending 10-20 bucks on it isn't going to start a Holocaust.
It's something I'm not willing to support in any manner OR off-chance that it could happen.
No.
That tells me he still has some shitty opinions but it doesn't tell me what his game is about.
Can't wait for it to bomb
It's not about alignment. It's support for a piece of work that upholds a morally repugnant view. If you wanna play because you think it's pretty, just say so.
I think that shit is bannable. I'd appreciate if you would edit that. That's not what I wrote, at all.
LOL for sure my rough english has something to do with that.
EDIT: Oh whoops, my bad. I messed up my quote formatting while paring the text down. I fixed it.
No.He tells you what his game is about. Its been posted many times. In his own words on his own account.
Wow this is rich.Lol no problem, I thought you were trolling by quoting me and making stuff up that I never wrote. Didn't see someone else wrote that. Thanks. I'm going to sleep now though.
Obviously I want to play it because I like the way it looks, but I'll also admit a part of me is interested in seeing what messaging is in the game and how it's delivered. Best case scenario, we have another Ben Shaprio's "True Allegiance" on our hands.
Look, I can't argue around the financials. If the guy is a dirtbag, buying his game is giving money to a dirtbag. But I've already put money in Gal Gadot and the Ender's Game guy's pockets, so I guess it doesn't bother me that much.
EDIT: Oh whoops, my bad. I messed up my quote formatting while paring the text down. I fixed it.
Wow this is rich.
I like milkshake ducks.
Isn't that the ex-Breitbart bigot? How is anything from that guy a best case scenario?
The only thing being rich here is that you're chiming in on that instead of adressing multiple people that have posts directed at you.
You are human. Your subconscious exists. Humans are not robots or rational actors. You are susceptible to both stimuli that you are conscious of and unconscious of.And simply reading Mein Kampf doesn't immediately make you a Nazi either. Just like how being interested in this game doesn't make you a gamer gater. Or how watching Wonder Woman doesn't make you pro-IDF, or reading Brian Sanderson books doesn't make you an insane Mormon.
I'm a superman with a galaxy brain who is capable of interacting with art while remaining ideologically unscathed.
I've addressed every argument made in response to my posts. I'm not going to reply to a dozen separate posts to say the same thing.
Wow this is rich.
No.
He told us what is was about in 2014.
In 2017 he has said it's not about that any more. Many times. In his own words.
Wow this is rich.
I've addressed every argument made in response to my posts. I'm not going to reply to a dozen separate posts to say the same thing.
You're right I guess. Really need to sleep too.Why is a random ass poster whose name clearly depics the place his brain is plunged into allowed to derail this thread for 8 pages?
He is clearly hard baiting you guys, ignore his stupid answers, it's been so obvious for the last 10 or so
I've addressed every argument made in response to my posts. I'm not going to reply to a dozen separate posts to say the same thing.
I think you're just banging heads against the wall at this point. You have no proof that it's changed beyond his statement, we have no proof it's the same outside of his statement.
The problem with his statement is that he only made it after the backlash of his views were out. I don't think anyone would really double down on iffy views when a business deal or partnership is in the balance. Unless I'm not seeing the right things, I haven't seen the team mentioning story overhauls or anything like that. It's mostly tech stuff that they tweet about for the game.
And simply reading Mein Kampf doesn't immediately make you a Nazi either. Just like how being interested in this game doesn't make you a gamer gater. Or how watching Wonder Woman doesn't make you pro-IDF, or reading Brian Sanderson books doesn't make you an insane Mormon.
I'm a superman with a galaxy brain who is capable of interacting with art while remaining ideologically unscathed.
The Chapo Reading series where they read his book and you get to experience just how broken and fucked up the conservative mind is first hand, is absolutely hilarious.
If you had a good idea what it was about, and you thought it seemed like a fun read so you bought it from the Nazi party, then yes... you are probably a Nazi.
Seriously though, cool it with the ridiculous historical comparisons. They're nonsense.
You are human. Your subconscious exists. Humans are not robots or rational actors. You are susceptible to both stimuli that you are conscious of and unconscious of.
Advertising works even if you are aware of it. Psychologists are employed by marketing and even game developers for a reason. It works.
https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...g-works-even-when-you-think-it-doesnt/244252/
CIA analysts that monitor covert propaganda has to be debriefed because they start believing the propaganda even though they are aware of it's existance.
https://youtu.be/yGrcHhfUZDk 22:00
If you had a good idea what it was about, and you thought it seemed like a fun read so you bought it from the Nazi party, then yes... you are probably a Nazi.
Seriously though, cool it with the ridiculous historical comparisons. They're nonsense.
Okay, but that's not what I'm talking about.
My point is that consuming a work isn't inherently any sort of value judgement. It is not impossible to imagine any number of scenarios where someone could read Mein Kamf and not be a Nazi, and similarly it's going to be possible to play this game and not be a Gamer Gater.
I don't think anyone will disagree with you here.Okay, but that's not what I'm talking about.
My point is that consuming a work isn't inherently any sort of value judgement. It is not impossible to imagine any number of scenarios where someone could read Mein Kamf and not be a Nazi, and similarly it's going to be possible to play this game and not be a Gamer Gater.
you're saying that buying a book is an indication of being a nazi and somehow that guy is the one who needs to cool down? lol
and? your post is still ridiculous lol. keep comparing apples to oranges.Obviously that's not what I said. Try reading again. I was talking about Mein Kompf specifically in the context of buying it from the Nazi party, and thinking the subject sounded fun. Also I didn't say "cool down". I was saying "cool it" with the comparisons with historical works, because they're very much not the same thing. If English isn't your first language, and you find this confusing, I apologize.
you can just as easily see why people aren't affected by such things, yes? regardless of what your take is on why or how they are. not to say that they are at all right (or wrong) in doing so.I don't think anyone will disagree with you here.
But in the context of the gaming community and how it treats these topics as well as the current political s
Climate, can you see why people wouldn't want to support the game or have it propped up by Microsoft or IGN?
I don't think anyone will disagree with you here.
But in the context of the gaming community and how it treats these topics as well as the current political s
Climate, can you see why people wouldn't want to support the game or have it propped up by Microsoft or IGN?
Yeah I don't have a problem with people looking forward to the game. Only issue I have is people willfully ignoring it and putting their heads in the sand and pretend like other's issues don't exist.and? your post is still ridiculous lol. keep comparing apples to oranges.
you can just as easily see why people aren't affected by such things, yes? regardless of what your take is on why or how they are. not to say that they are at all right (or wrong) in doing so.
This ain't a "can you enjoy Polanski's movies, knowing what he's done" kind of situation though. It's impossible to separate art from artist in this particular case. It doesn't apply at all, since the game is literally about the artist's beliefs. They're one and the same.Sure, and while I'll always advocate for separating art from artist, if other people can't or don't want to do so, that's entirely up to them. I've certainly avoided games for worse reasons.
Yeah I don't have a problem with people looking forward to the game. Only issue I have is people willfully ignoring it and putting their heads in the sand and pretend like other's issues don't exist.
This ain't a "can you enjoy Polanski's movies, knowing what he's done" kind of situation though. It's impossible to separate art from artist in this particular case. It doesn't apply at all, since the game is literally about the artist's beliefs. They're one and the same.
It doesn't effect me and it's their choice and money. I'm not going to police someone on what to do with their money.I agree, but what of those who don't let others' issues change their view of the game? not outright ignoring those issues per se but getting their own evaluation.
It doesn't effect me and it's their choice and money. I'm not going to police someone on what to do with their money.
Okay, but that's not what I'm talking about.
My point is that consuming a work isn't inherently any sort of value judgement. It is not impossible to imagine any number of scenarios where someone could read Mein Kamf and not be a Nazi, and similarly it's going to be possible to play this game and not be a Gamer Gater.
I agree, but what of those who don't let others' issues change their view of the game? not outright ignoring those issues per se but getting their own evaluation.
how so? do you have a quote or any video to back this up? this would change my view of the game heavily if it's the case, but I've seen nothing of the sort. like, as far as I can tell, the developer's just an ass on twitter.
Yes, that I agree with. Though maybe not "many" scenarios. All I can think of is academic purposes, and from a "know thy enemy" perspective. Anyway, I think part of the problem here is you're using a historical book you haven't read, written by someone who led a genocide, as an example. Mein Kampf as an example when the big argument is separating the art from the artist, or getting "enjoyment" out of a work, is really awful. Could have at least gone with a modern day shitheel example like Orson Scott Card who writes novels tons of not-awful people find entertaining.
Lol. Arguing a side of the topic of the thread ain't derailing.Why is a random ass poster whose name clearly depics the place his brain is plunged into allowed to derail this thread for 8 pages?
He is clearly hard baiting you guys, ignore his stupid answers, it's been so obvious for the last 10 or so
What is milkshake duck?
What is milkshake duck?
Thank you for asking im curious too! Im afraid if I google it ill be put on a list somewhere...What is milkshake duck?