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Should Microsoft have announced Xbox One X as a new generation?
- Thread starter Daffy Duck
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BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
No.
Stone Ocean
Member
Playing the same games but slighlty prettier does not a new generation make.
sixteen-bit
Member
With that CPU?
Nah fam.
Nah fam.
Historically... that actually seems to be becoming truer and truer. Cross-gen up-res games has been one of the more frustrating things to see of recent years.
Daffy Duck
Member
But what if they do this all the time going forwards now?
No more new generation ever?
As above, what if this new mandate goes across everything going forwards for MS? And what if Sony do the same? Will we then never see a new generation?
Except when the PS5 and Xbox Two are announced, and whatever Nintendo comes up with way down the line to replace the Switch...
But aside from that totally dead.
I've seen a few people here mistake this product for something more than it is.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Possibly. But I doubt they will do that. Eventually there will be a cut off. Even iOS has compatibility cut offs, and that isn't a market/industry that is as dependent on pushing audio/visual technology. Eventually the market is going to want something bigger and better.
MilkyJoe
Member
If Microsoft did that, Playstation will forever be stuck getting last gen port, which is a sound business plan. Every time developers are ready to move on to the next PS console, Microsoft releases a steroid infused version of PS within 6 months.
Gamers will complain that PS first years are stuck with cross-gen while Microsoft boast having GOTY version of games and having the best looking game for a console.
Everybody wins?
Gamers will complain that PS first years are stuck with cross-gen while Microsoft boast having GOTY version of games and having the best looking game for a console.
Everybody wins?
family_guy
Member
Probably, but should have waited until 2018 to get better tech or at least have prices fall on existing tech.
The cpu is the same old song and dance, it's the most powerful console ever, but it also is the most unbalanced, take a 2500K and pair it with a 1080 Ti, that's the basic premise here, it chases 4K because that's the scenario where the cpu matters the least.
Plus they would look like fools when the PS5 hits the market with 10/12TF and a cpu light years away
Plus they would look like fools when the PS5 hits the market with 10/12TF and a cpu light years away
Nah. One of the big selling points was that it is first and foremost an Xbox One, but that it is the most powerful one, as well as the current most powerful console on the market. I don't think the XB1 has had a great run this generation after the 360 was one of my all-time favorites, and I'm curious to see if the X generates any significant excitement. I do feel bad about it coming out right in the wake of the Switch's amazing run this year. I think most will want Nintendo's system, which is interestingly the least powerful one, but it has the usability/versatility and some huge first party games to drive its momentum. Xbox is in a strange spot. Play Anywhere cannibalizes its own hardware market if players have good PCs too. And yet I still kinda want one as someone who likes hardware.
No, the CPU is in no way a leap that would push a new generation.
What they could have done is rode out Xbox One/S for another 3 years then release a new gen but maybe next gen is miles off and the PR boost from this is what they need going into a new gen, get a little trust and positivity back. Xbox One X is an enthusiast device like the Pro which will be left behind just like the rest when a new gen starts.
I wonder if Halo 6 will release on any version of Xbox One and perhaps be a next gen exclusive launch title.
What they could have done is rode out Xbox One/S for another 3 years then release a new gen but maybe next gen is miles off and the PR boost from this is what they need going into a new gen, get a little trust and positivity back. Xbox One X is an enthusiast device like the Pro which will be left behind just like the rest when a new gen starts.
I wonder if Halo 6 will release on any version of Xbox One and perhaps be a next gen exclusive launch title.
MilkyJoe
Member
my guess is when the next xbox comes out the cutoff will be the X hardware so developers could still makes games for all three but they won't have to. That way you've got a continuous stream of software for old and new hardware and it gives people a clear upgrade path to keep them in the ecosystem (which is the real goal)
Thebonehead
Banned
It's a tick in the cycle like an iPhone s. A big tick admittedly.
Not a tock as in iPhone 7 to 8
It'll be interesting to see how the next generations play out. Having a hypervisor based os shows that they can jump to radically different hardware (ddr5) and lose the EsRam and actually increase performance.
I guess the stores in future will just tailor to the version of Xbox/PS you have and only show titles accordingly.
Not a tock as in iPhone 7 to 8
It'll be interesting to see how the next generations play out. Having a hypervisor based os shows that they can jump to radically different hardware (ddr5) and lose the EsRam and actually increase performance.
I guess the stores in future will just tailor to the version of Xbox/PS you have and only show titles accordingly.
Daffy Duck
Member
But that would mean it wouldn't be a new generation then?
I mean yeah, that's the plan, right? the PC doesn't have generations it has minimum requirements.
edit: I mean you never know with Microsoft but the way it's going the xbox will be more like a snapshot of tech at the time instead of some wacky new thing everyone has to relearn.
Bill R Boggess
Member
The whole point of these enhanced consoles is to extend the life of the current generation but to also give gamers who want more powerful hardware the option to do so without alienating the casual consumers who just want to play games and who don't care about resolution and performance.
Making the XBX an entirely new console - priced at 500 dollars no less - would be inviting catastrophic failure.
Making the XBX an entirely new console - priced at 500 dollars no less - would be inviting catastrophic failure.
The Pet of the Month
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Except the PS5 should be backwards compatible. I see no reason why it can't be, nor why the system can't be forward compatible, too!
They are Elves.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Not really...
It's a more powerful XB1 with no exclusive games that plays XB1 games at a higher fidelity.
Calling it a new generation would probably piss gamers off, since it's a little too early yet and even though it's a good margin more powerful than an XB1, its nowhere near what would be considered a generational improvement in performance (e.g. it uses the exact same CPU).
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
No but then if you look at the HW isn't that obvious???
Nah, devs can make a game for all three if they want, sure BC will be a big thing but there will be Xbox 4 and PS5 games that don't run on Xbox One/S/X and PS4/Slim/Pro. You're mistaken to think otherwise. They would never hamstring a next gen console. Going forward it's just easier to make cross gen games if they want but in no way will they implement hardware cut offs or mandate support of previous gen. Generations will exist and many cross gen games will exist like they always have but the lines will be blurred a little by BC and x86 hardware.
Here's hoping Microsoft never does "generations" again and that Sony follows suit.
I like the idea that whenever a new more powerful console comes out, my game library doesn't have to get deleted with the new console.
Eventually, there will be a point where Microsoft would say, "alright, new games only work on Xbox One X and Xbox 2020, but will not play on Xbox One S."
So long as they always have 2 options to play new games coming out, I think that will suffice.
It gives the consumer more options and price points to access games, old games will continue to work in perpetuity on newer hardware, and fits in line with what consumers have come to expect from things like cell phones and tablets.
I like the idea that whenever a new more powerful console comes out, my game library doesn't have to get deleted with the new console.
Eventually, there will be a point where Microsoft would say, "alright, new games only work on Xbox One X and Xbox 2020, but will not play on Xbox One S."
So long as they always have 2 options to play new games coming out, I think that will suffice.
It gives the consumer more options and price points to access games, old games will continue to work in perpetuity on newer hardware, and fits in line with what consumers have come to expect from things like cell phones and tablets.
Novel Mike
Member
What are you even talking about? By this logic should Sony have not just done the same thing with the Pro? Should the Pro have started this 'new' generation along with the release of the Switch? The answer to all of these is NO.
A generation is not just about better hardware its more then that, it means new controllers, new UI's, new features we never had before, it means new architecture for hardware and software, it means that its something that we can have now in this new generation that we couldn't have had before (You can Argue the switch does these things but that feels more like its now joining the current generation then anything else).
4K gaming is a nice feature but 4K gaming has been a thing for a few years now on PC's, just because consoles are starting to catch up doesn't make it a new generation.
Stop buying into this hype that the Xbox One X is something thats its not. It's a mid tier upgrade no matter what Microsoft tries to tell you that it is. Sure its the 'most powerful console ever' but you know what was the most powerful console ever before the X? The PS4 Pro, and before that the PS4, and before that the PS3, ect. It's a bullshit marketing term trying to make the thing sound more impressive then it actually is. Just like the 'power of the cloud' or 'blast processing' its all bullshit to try and make hardware sound more impressive to consumers.
It's a decent upgrade, better then the upgrade the PS4 Pro had for sure but the PS4 was already a pretty powerful system so the upgrade wasn't as impressive as it is here because the Xbox One's hardware was lackluster even at launch.
Yup, the idea of generations is gone. Microsoft didn't spend all that money to include backwards compatibility for Xbox and 360 into the One for nothing. Consoles will now be iterated upon every couple of years. In a few revisions, the newest games won't support the original Xbox One and so on.
There's just no reason to dump everything and start a new 'generation' anymore. Particularly because the actual underlying hardware advancements seem to be slowing down and stabilizing into incremental improvements (no more cell processors, powerpc, etc...it's all standard gpu and cpus now).
Daffy Duck
Member
Im not buying into any hype around it, I was just curious thats all, as this is a stretch from what we have now and a rather large one at that over and above the base XB1.
And I just wondered why they wouldnt do it as such, was just interested in getting other peoples opinions on it and the whole thing surrounding this.
And I just wondered why they wouldnt do it as such, was just interested in getting other peoples opinions on it and the whole thing surrounding this.
veterangamerUK
Member
And this is why I cancelled my pre-order. Paying for power which is never going to be fully utilised.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Is the graphics way better or something? Last I checked it was the same just a little bit better
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
In the sense maybe OP..but they cooking much better things for next gen where they will not @$!% with bs specs ever again.
None of that $399 matching price tag with competitor. They're doing their own thing and if you want most powerful console for $499....we got you. Just wait for next gen to roll out, Panic.
None of that $399 matching price tag with competitor. They're doing their own thing and if you want most powerful console for $499....we got you. Just wait for next gen to roll out, Panic.
rochellepaws
Member
I don't think the market is ready for a new generation and alienating all current Xbox one owners as well as condemning that machines future as a legacy console seems as if it'd be quite foolish.
BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
I canceled mine because I think that money might be better served building a PC and getting into that gaming space.
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Deleted member 471617
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YES.
Microsoft should have delayed it a year until Fall 2018, add a far better CPU and start a new generation. To me, Xbox One X is only going to do one thing and that's make them lose twice in the same generation which is also a first in gaming history. Microsoft is in no way, shape or form ever going to catch up to Sony's PlayStation 4 so why not start a new generation?
Microsoft could had an excellent launch lineup (State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves and Forza Horizon 4), a far bigger catalog of backwards compatibility games since it would also include Xbox One games.
Despite owning a PlayStation 4 Pro, im not a fan of mid-gen consoles whatsoever. If it wasn't for the fact that the console was basically free, I would still be playing on a base PS4. Also think that 4K/HDR, etc. at this point is overrated because it's still in it's infancy and some of the support for this stuff, especially HDR in more games than not is a joke.
Mid-gen basically rushed everything for no reason whatsoever. I have zero interest in X and to be perfectly honest, Horizon Zero Dawn looks easily better than any X game (exclusive or not).
Was really hoping that Microsoft was going to delay Scorpio and basically make it Xbox 4 but oh well, no biggie as I still have my Xbox One Slim boxed and sitting in my closet until the few exclusives that I want to play are released in (hopefully) 2018.
November will most likely belong to Microsoft since all the pre-orders will be added in but after November, I can easily see the console's sales decline and lead to a $100 price drop by E3 2018.
Sony should completely undercut X by making Pro $300 with an Horizon digital copy included for the holiday season as it's a far more compelling purchase than X at $500 with no packed in game would be.
Sorry but after E3, I lost all hype and interest in X (stupid name by the way...can't wait to see/read reports of people who wanted an X get an S instead, lol) because quite simply, nothing impressed me at all. The two games that did were multi-platform games in Anthem and Metro Exodus.
If anything though, better for me personally as I save $550 ($330 of which can go to my Switch next year so I can own all three consoles and still be able to purchase four $60 ($48 GCU) games.
Funny thing is that pre-E3, I was 100% all in on Scorpio but the price tag, release date and State of Decay 2 being delayed and not looking great whatsoever anyway pretty much ended all my interest in it to where I would rather just keep my PS4 Pro as my primary, Xbox One Slim as an exclusives console and purchase a Switch early next year.
Sorry for the long post/rant but Microsoft does nothing to get fully invested and interested in their eco-system despite Xbox 360 being my primary console last generation. For me personally, keeping X connected to Xbox One brand is/was a mistake and just deflated all my interest. Oh well. Maybe I'll get back that interest once Microsoft releases X2 or whatever the hell stupid name they can think of in five years from now.
Microsoft should have delayed it a year until Fall 2018, add a far better CPU and start a new generation. To me, Xbox One X is only going to do one thing and that's make them lose twice in the same generation which is also a first in gaming history. Microsoft is in no way, shape or form ever going to catch up to Sony's PlayStation 4 so why not start a new generation?
Microsoft could had an excellent launch lineup (State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves and Forza Horizon 4), a far bigger catalog of backwards compatibility games since it would also include Xbox One games.
Despite owning a PlayStation 4 Pro, im not a fan of mid-gen consoles whatsoever. If it wasn't for the fact that the console was basically free, I would still be playing on a base PS4. Also think that 4K/HDR, etc. at this point is overrated because it's still in it's infancy and some of the support for this stuff, especially HDR in more games than not is a joke.
Mid-gen basically rushed everything for no reason whatsoever. I have zero interest in X and to be perfectly honest, Horizon Zero Dawn looks easily better than any X game (exclusive or not).
Was really hoping that Microsoft was going to delay Scorpio and basically make it Xbox 4 but oh well, no biggie as I still have my Xbox One Slim boxed and sitting in my closet until the few exclusives that I want to play are released in (hopefully) 2018.
November will most likely belong to Microsoft since all the pre-orders will be added in but after November, I can easily see the console's sales decline and lead to a $100 price drop by E3 2018.
Sony should completely undercut X by making Pro $300 with an Horizon digital copy included for the holiday season as it's a far more compelling purchase than X at $500 with no packed in game would be.
Sorry but after E3, I lost all hype and interest in X (stupid name by the way...can't wait to see/read reports of people who wanted an X get an S instead, lol) because quite simply, nothing impressed me at all. The two games that did were multi-platform games in Anthem and Metro Exodus.
If anything though, better for me personally as I save $550 ($330 of which can go to my Switch next year so I can own all three consoles and still be able to purchase four $60 ($48 GCU) games.
Funny thing is that pre-E3, I was 100% all in on Scorpio but the price tag, release date and State of Decay 2 being delayed and not looking great whatsoever anyway pretty much ended all my interest in it to where I would rather just keep my PS4 Pro as my primary, Xbox One Slim as an exclusives console and purchase a Switch early next year.
Sorry for the long post/rant but Microsoft does nothing to get fully invested and interested in their eco-system despite Xbox 360 being my primary console last generation. For me personally, keeping X connected to Xbox One brand is/was a mistake and just deflated all my interest. Oh well. Maybe I'll get back that interest once Microsoft releases X2 or whatever the hell stupid name they can think of in five years from now.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
lol no. it can't even do proper 4K in most games so why should it? PS5/XB2 will be true 4K and deserve to be called a new generation.
even if they did what good would it do? if they want to convince people to buy their hardware then they need the software to back it up otherwise it's a £450 paperweight.
even if they did what good would it do? if they want to convince people to buy their hardware then they need the software to back it up otherwise it's a £450 paperweight.
Full BC will be realised but what's the point of a new generation if you don't make new games for the hardware. You can still keep all your games, be able to play them and even release new games that support a previous gen while on next gen hardware with exclusive next gen games. It's not one or the other. Generations are not dead. I will see a PS5 game box art that only plays on a PS5. Absolutely no doubt.
Japanmanx3
Member
It's like Trunks when he went Ultimate Saiyan. Beefed up...but you not Super Saiyan 2 yet.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Its not powerful enough.
LukasTaves
Member
It would be strange for Xbonex to be a new generation when Ms is moving away from console generations.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Are we going to start this endless loop?