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[Elegant Weapon]

Just a guess. I was wrong?

About a great many things.

I wonder if ignoring all the evidence I’ve given on Trump being what he is to ask me such an ignorant and baiting question as if I hate white people is the kind of discourse the mods want on gaf these days

 

[Dunki]

It’s not used loosely, Trump has repeatedly shared and shown gratitude to multiple neo nazi accounts. Multiple times. I understand moderation is more lax now but downplaying this obvious thing for whatever reason isn’t a good idea

Because he wants attention. As I said he is like a 4 year old. He does not check their accounts or past history He does not even care for their twitter name. Only thing he cares about is attention and recognition.

Trump is not a smart person for sure but I just do not believe he is a willing nazi. I am sorry I just do cant this because of some stupid tweets.

 

[Rocket Number 22]

Well you didn't real address the issue of being racist to white people, you just gave a run around answer.

So, Elegant weapon, do you hate white people?

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Of course they ignore the housing discrimination which apparently doesn’t matter cause he has photos shaking hands with famous black people!

I mean, this 70 year old man claimed to never heard of David Duke and said he needed more information on the KKK before he could denounce their endorsement. You’d think say the KKK are bad would be a slam dunk yo prove “I’m not racist” but Trump couldn’t even do that

http://time.com/4240268/donald-trump-kkk-david-duke/

We’re long past acting oblivious to the fact that the current us president is a blatant white supremacist. It’s been clear for a long time

It's always the same display of ignorance- deflect and ignore. It's all right there plain as day but there's always an excuse as to why the obvious and well established truth is not the case. You know what I find fascinating about people who do this, is this question: who do they trust? The way we all find the truth about things, or at least know the best evidence and conclusions we can, is to trust others that prove expertise or have the qualities and characteristics that lead one to believe in their assessment. In the case of people who deny Trump is a racist, who do they trust? Just like during the election, every newspaper warned the country- do not vote for Trump. They gave reasons. Even papers who wanted nothing to do with Hillary Clinton still essentially begged their readers to at least not vote for Trump. The best we can do is identify who these people are and discard their opinions, because they don't even know who to trust much less have interest or understanding in what is true or not.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Look in the mirror idiot

They obviously write around a bunch but here from your own gods/idiots mouth.
Come on please use manafort as distraction because its not like he was in trump tower like most campaign workers, right?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/18/p...overnment-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

Manafort was the subject of an FBI investigation. Which is why he's currently in FBI custody on conspiracy charges. That doesn't mean that Trump Tower itself was bugged, as he claimed.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Well you didn't real address the issue of being racist to white people, you just gave a run around answer.

So, Elegant weapon, do you hate white people?

Honestly, I think it’s a trolling question that ignores the evidence I presented on Trump to make it about me. Nothing I’ve posted makes “do you hate white people” a reasonable question

For the record, despite you downplaying Trump sharing anti-black propaganda with gross misinformation and perpetuating the misinformation yourself by saying the real stats aren’t much better, I never asked you such a baiting question as “do you hate black people”?

Is this the kind of discourse the mods want on neogaf these days?

 

[Rocket Number 22]

Honestly, I think it’s a trolling question that ignores the evidence I presented on Trump to make it about me. Nothing I’ve posted makes “do you hate white people” a reasonable question

For the record, despite you downplaying Trump sharing anti-black propaganda with gross misinformation and perpetuating the misinformation yourself by saying the real stats aren’t much better, I never asked you such a baiting question as “do you hate black people”?

Is this the kind of discourse the mods want on neogaf these days?

Very telling you won't answer it though.....

Very similar to Trump not denouncing so called nazis huh?

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Very telling you won't answer it though.....

Very similar to Trump not denouncing so called nazis huh?

It’s more than reasonable to ask the guy running for president who is endorsed by the KKK to renounce their endorsement. It’s not reasonable to ask if I hate white people because I point that out

 

[Dunki]

It's always the same display of ignorance- deflect and ignore. It's all right there plain as day but there's always an excuse as to why the obvious and well established truth is not the case. You know what I find fascinating about people who do this, is this question: who do they trust? The way we all find the truth about things, or at least know the best evidence and conclusions we can, is to trust others that prove expertise or have the qualities and characteristics that lead one to believe in their assessment. In the case of people who deny Trump is a racist, who do they trust? Just like during the election, every newspaper warned the country- do not vote for Trump. They gave reasons. Even papers who wanted nothing to do with Hillary Clinton still essentially begged their readers to at least not vote for Trump. The best we can do is identify who these people are and discard their opinions, because they don't even know who to trust much less have interest or understanding in what is true or not.

In my Opinion Media played a huge Role in Trumps election. I have never seen such a shit-fest before. They openly "bullied" him. They made him the victim of journalistic media. Everything they did they tried to put it in such a way to blame him in front of the whole world while also chilling for Clinton because she was a women. I have never ever seen such a bad and biased media campaign before. Media lost a ton of moderates who does not care much about politics imo.

As Outsider it was really annoying to see the hourly bashing of trump for the stupidest shit. Highlight was when they even went after Bernie Sanders and his supporters. The more attention they gave trump the more people became probably annoyed and angry either not voting at all or even voting against Clinton.

 

[Rocket Number 22]

It’s more than reasonable to ask the guy running for president who is endorsed by the KKK to renounce their endorsement. It’s not reasonable to ask if I hate white people because I point that out

But im now genuinely interested in you opinion on white people now because you are ducking and dodging pretty hard

 

[Elegant Weapon]

But im now genuinely interested in you opinion on white people now because you are ducking and dodging pretty hard

Answer me why that’s a reasonable question?

I hate white people because I don’t like the president refused to denounce the KKK, re-tweeted white supremacist accounts and more egregious bullshit like call for the death penalty innocent black teenagers ?

 

[Rocket Number 22]

Answer me why that’s a reasonable question?

I hate white people because I don’t like the president refused to denounce the KKK, re-tweeted white supremacist accounts and more egregious bullshit like call for the death penalty innocent black teenagers ?

It’s reasonable because you are trying so hard to not answer.

You must really hate the white man, he keeping you down boy?

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

In my Opinion Media played a huge Role in Trumps election. I have never seen such a shit-fest before. They openly "bullied" him. They made him the victim of journalistic media. Everything they did they tried to put it in such a way to blame him in front of the whole world while also chilling for Clinton because she was a women. I have never ever seen such a bad and biased media campaign before. Media lost a ton of moderates who does not care much about politics imo.

As Outsider it was really annoying to see the hourly bashing of trump for the stupidest shit. Highlight was when they even went after Bernie Sanders and his supporters. The more attention they gave trump the more people became probably annoyed and angry either not voting at all or even voting against Clinton.

You're using various terms and perspectives that are made up nonsense to sell you a bill of goods.

'journalistic media' - by this you refer to a corrupt monolithic entity that intentionally gets it wrong to support a status quo. Now, the free press certainly gets some things wrong, but there is no corrupt monolithic entity. The free press isn't intentionally getting things wrong to support a status quo. The reason you don't trust them is because you've been fooled. Donald Trump's war on the free press is the conservatives' war on the free press, they don't want there to be any defense for the people from their bullshit. Make no mistake, Donald Trump is only professional at one thing- bullshitting.

They didn't bully him, they reported on his bullshit. When you're completely full of shit and it's obvious to everybody, you tend to get called out on it. That's not bullying. Besides, Trump doesn't get bullied- he does the bullying. That's who he is. He interacts with the world around him almost exclusively through bullying and abuse- abuse of the legal system, abuse of the media, abuse of whoever is in earshot. If you know anything about Donald Trump then you know the name Roy Cohn, and if you know that name then... well you probably don't know who that is. Look him up.

'outsider'- that's a nonsensical term. Nobody is an outsider. Once you're in Washington, you're an insider. Immediately. You surround yourself with people who understand the systems in place, and Trump has been no different in this regard. He is worse, because he's an actual idiot. If he could be an outsider it would be worthless because he's such an idiot he wouldn't be able to capitalize on being an outsider.

 

[sans_pants]

It’s reasonable because you are trying so hard to not answer.

You must really hate the white man, he keeping you down boy?

Hey one mod that is actually the site owner, please do your fucking job and ban this trash

 

[Sephzilla]

Well you didn't real address the issue of being racist to white people, you just gave a run around answer.

So, Elegant weapon, do you hate white people?

Very telling you won't answer it though.....

Very similar to Trump not denouncing so called nazis huh?

But im now genuinely interested in you opinion on white people now because you are ducking and dodging pretty hard

It’s reasonable because you are trying so hard to not answer.

You must really hate the white man, he keeping you down boy?

It's sad that crappy posts like this are allowed to fly on GAF these days.

 

[Rocket Number 22]

Hey one mod that is actually the site owner, please do your fucking job and ban this trash

For what exactly?

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Hey one mod that is actually the site owner, please do your fucking job and ban this trash

I thought these guys wanted to post here but they keep thinking the change means they can post whatever hateful inflammatory rhetoric they want, as if there aren't still rules. They keep improving the site by earning their banishment

 

[Ubername]

Hey one mod that is actually the site owner, please do your fucking job and ban this trash

You're the one starting shit and calling people trash

 

[Dunki]

You're using various terms and perspectives that are made up nonsense to sell you a bill of goods.

'journalistic media' - by this you refer to a corrupt monolithic entity that intentionally gets it wrong to support a status quo. Now, the free press certainly gets some things wrong, but there is no corrupt monolithic entity. The free press isn't intentionally getting things wrong to support a status quo. The reason you don't trust them is because you've been fooled. Donald Trump's war on the free press is the conservatives' war on the free press, they don't want there to be any defense for the people from their bullshit. Make no mistake, Donald Trump is only professional at one thing- bullshitting.

They didn't bully him, they reported on his bullshit. When you're completely full of shit and it's obvious to everybody, you tend to get called out on it. That's not bullying. Besides, Trump doesn't get bullied- he does the bullying. That's who he is. He interacts with the world around him almost exclusively through bullying and abuse- abuse of the legal system, abuse of the media, abuse of whoever is in earshot. If you know anything about Donald Trump then you know the name Roy Cohn, and if you know that name then... well you probably don't know who that is. Look him up.

'outsider'- that's a nonsensical term. Nobody is an outsider. Once you're in Washington, you're an insider. Immediately. You surround yourself with people who understand the systems in place, and Trump has been no different in this regard. He is worse, because he's an actual idiot. If he could be an outsider it would be worthless because he's such an idiot he wouldn't be able to capitalize on being an outsider.

1. journalistic Media for me has become something I can nt trust and which became totally based. As a Child a believed that Journalists are there to explore the truth nad to try to explain me the background informations

And yes everyone was fooled by media but thats not the reason why I think like that. I think Like this because if you compare sites, political views left press right press etc they always push their views instead of the truth. These days they write whole articles about tweets. They talk to people via tweets etc. It the fucking worst while also using such clickbait articles like how milk became the new symbol of the alt right. And right Wing media is not any better. Was has been lost is moderate media, centric media reporting the facts, checking facts do not hide it behind their own leftist or right wing agenda.


2. Yes he got bullied. Seriously they wrote 2 pages article about his hands or how his hands show that he is evil or laughed or small his hands are etc. , about his walking, about how he shakes hands with people and so on. Or show a video how he was not greeting a little kid in a wheelchair which in the end was just cut like this. In fact he talked the most to this kid in the begining he went down to talk to him etc. And While I also think he bullies as well Media is no one bit better than him.

And as OutsiderI was talking about me. I am a outsider. I am not American I had no stake in this election I just watched this whole shit show far far away in Germany. And German press had much better articles about the election than the US had.

 

[Rocket Number 22]

It's sad that crappy posts like this are allowed to fly on GAF these days.

Asking people if they are racist is crappy now?

He could of been a decent human and said no he doesn't hate white people but instead he dodges and looks guilty of being a racist himself while accusing someone else of racism.

Pot kettle black

 

[Xenobureido]

It's sad that crappy posts like this are allowed to fly on GAF these days.

I agree that he should be banned for using insulting, racist language (using 'boy' in the context he did was racist, don't deny that). But I also think Elegant should just answer 'no' to the question. Because certainly that would be his answer. No need to provoke each other and escalate things.

 

[Rocket Number 22]

I agree that he should be banned for using insulting, racist language (using 'boy' in the context he did was racist, don't deny that). But I also think Elegant should just answer 'no' to the question. Because certainly that would be his answer. No need to provoke each other and escalate things.

Wait what? How the fuck is boy racist? Jesus christ thats a stretch.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

I agree that he should be banned for using insulting, racist language (using 'boy' in the context he did was racist, don't deny that). But I also think Elegant should just answer 'no' to the question. Because certainly that would be his answer. No need to provoke each other and escalate things.

Honestly, answer what makes that a reasonable question? Are you saying hate white supremacist is equal to hating white people?

My mom is white, dude. My girlfriend is white. My brother is very fair skinned and passes for white. What the fuck?

 

[Sephzilla]

Asking people if they are racist is crappy now?

He could of been a decent human and said no he doesn't hate white people but instead he dodges and looks guilty of being a racist himself while accusing someone else of racism.

Pot kettle black

Yes it is when the basis behind the question is the result of a ridiculous leap in logic followed by some pretty heavy handed concern trolling.

 

[Ubername]

e. My brother is very fair skinned and passes for white. What the fuck?

What does this have to do with anything

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

1. journalistic Media for me has become something I can nt trust and which became totally based. As a Child a believed that Journalists are there to explore the truth nad to try to explain me the background informations

And yes everyone was fooled by media but thats not the reason why I think like that. I think Like this because if you compare sites, political views left press right press etc they always push their views instead of the truth. These days they write whole articles about tweets. They talk to people via tweets etc. It the fucking worst while also using such clickbait articles like how milk became the new symbol of the alt right. And right Wing media is not any better. Was has been lost is moderate media, centric media reporting the facts, checking facts do not hide it behind their own leftist or right wing agenda.


2. Yes he got bullied. Seriously they wrote 2 pages article about his hands or how his hands show that he is evil or laughed or small his hands are etc. , about his walking, about how he shakes hands with people and so on. Or show a video how he was not greeting a little kid in a wheelchair which in the end was just cut like this. In fact he talked the most to this kid in the begining he went down to talk to him etc. And While I also think he bullies as well Media is no one bit better than him.

And as OutsiderI was talking about me. I am a outsider. I am not American I had no stake in this election I just watched this whole shit show far far away in Germany. And German press had much better articles about the election than the US had.

If there weren't a free press, there wouldn't be an America. Same in your country. To attack them as if they are corrupt and worthless, that is a thread of a democracy unraveling. Trump thinks it's great that Putin controls his press and prosecutes reporters or outlets that criticize him. Would you prefer that? An authoritarian country that does not question it's leadership, or that just prints praise for dear leader?

It's fine if you think you're an outsider, but why not be informed and reasonable as well.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

What does this have to do with anything

what did asking if I hate white people in context of me presenting evidence that Trump courts white supremacists have to do with anything?

 

[OniBarubary]

It's like Rocket saw an argument tactic used to make people like him look foolish and then copied it like a parrot without actually understanding a thing about why it's used or how it works. Instead, as usual, it just looks like he has no idea what the fuck he's doing like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum and shitting his pants in the middle of debate club.

 

[Rocket Number 22]

It's like Rocket saw an argument tactic used to make people like him look foolish and then copied it like a parrot without actually understanding a thing about why it's used or how it works. Instead, as usual, it just looks like he has no idea what the fuck he's doing like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum and shitting his pants in the middle of debate club.

I think it was blindingly obvious i was using the Trumps a nazi argument back at Elegant weapon....im sure a blind person could see that

 

[Ubername]

what did asking if I hate white people in context of me presenting evidence that Trump courts white supremacists have to do with anything?

Idk man, tit for tat.

You guys are going way too far with the ad hominem shit lol. Cool down yall.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Idk man, tit for tat.

You guys are going way too far with the ad hominem shit lol. Cool down yall.

what ad hominem have I used, exactly? calling Trump a racist and presenting evidence until I get called a longstanding racist insult?

just stop with this both sides shit

 

[Rocket Number 22]

what ad hominem have I used, exactly? calling Trump a racist and presenting evidence until I get called a longstanding racist insult?

just stop with this both sides shit

lol what fucking insult? I'm not American so i'm not up to date with approved names, son, bro, dude, mate all off the table also?

Of course they ignore the housing discrimination which apparently doesn’t matter cause he has photos shaking hands with famous black people!

I mean, this 70 year old man claimed to never heard of David Duke and said he needed more information on the KKK before he could denounce their endorsement. You’d think say the KKK are bad would be a slam dunk yo prove “I’m not racist” but Trump couldn’t even do that

http://time.com/4240268/donald-trump-kkk-david-duke/

We’re long past acting oblivious to the fact that the current us president is a blatant white supremacist. It’s been clear for a long time

 

[Ubername]

what ad hominem have I used, exactly? calling Trump a racist and presenting evidence until I get called a longstanding racist insult?

just stop with this both sides shit

So pick a side? lol.

 

[Xenobureido]

Wait what? How the fuck is boy racist? Jesus christ thats a stretch.

I'll spell it out for you in case you truly didn't know: back during slavery, the 'masters' would call the male black slaves 'boy'. You ask someone if he hates white people and adress him with 'boy', implying that you assume he's black, and thus you use a racistly connotated word on purpose.

How is it not racist?

@Elegant: it's probably not a reasonable question. But you can see yourself what happened due to not quickly shooting his question down. Now he's convinced you 'hate white people' and the toxic discourse continues. Instead of this silly back and forth, people should be talking about Xenoblade 2 😸

 

[Elegant Weapon]

lol what fucking insult? I'm not American so i'm not up to date with approved names, son, bro, dude, mate all off the table also?

I doubt that claiming ignorance will help you when you posted "is the white man keeping you down boy"

you might as well say whatever off the wall racist shit you have left before your ban tbh

 

[Elegant Weapon]

So pick a side? lol.

telling that you ignored the rest of my post

 

[Rocket Number 22]

I doubt that claiming ignorance will help you when you posted "is the white man keeping you down boy"

you might as well say whatever off the wall racist shit you have left before your ban tbh

My tinder and fetlife is full of flirty comments to men using boy lol (usually in a condescending way )

If i catch a ban you win! What a terrible racist i must be lol

 

[Rocket Number 22]

I'll spell it out for you in case you truly didn't know: back during slavery, the 'masters' would call the male black slaves 'boy'. You ask someone if he hates white people and adress him with 'boy', implying that you assume he's black, and thus you use a racistly connotated word on purpose.

How is it not racist?

@Elegant: it's probably not a reasonable question. But you can see yourself what happened due to not quickly shooting his question down. Now he's convinced you 'hate white people' and the toxic discourse continues. Instead of this silly back and forth, people should be talking about Xenoblade 2 😸

And why is an Asian girl from Australia supposed to know this?

 

[Elegant Weapon]

I'll spell it out for you in case you truly didn't know: back during slavery, the 'masters' would call the male black slaves 'boy'. You ask someone if he hates white people and adress him with 'boy', implying that you assume he's black, and thus you use a racistly connotated word on purpose.

How is it not racist?

@Elegant: it's probably not a reasonable question. But you can see yourself what happened due to not quickly shooting his question down. Now he's convinced you 'hate white people' and the toxic discourse continues. Instead of this silly back and forth, people should be talking about Xenoblade 2 ��

it was always a trolling question that is and was certainly unreasonable. You're trying to give it credence by entertaining it. Anyway, I answered the unreasonable question, I don't hate white people and never gave any indication that I did as I've never shared anti-white propaganda or have been sued for discrimination against white people or call for the death of innocent whites or ran for office while being endorsed by explicitly anti-white groups while refusing to denounce their endorsement. It was also a stupid trolling question that didn't need to be entertained because it was so off the wall, unlike me giving evidence on why Trump is clearly racist

And why is an Asian girl from Australia supposed to know this?

yet you know "is the white man keeping you down" is something to say?

you can't be in these conversation and then pled ignorance. You know full well the history of calling a black man a boy condescendingly

 

[Rocket Number 22]

it was always a trolling question that is and was certainly unreasonable. You're trying to give it credence by entertaining it. Anyway, I answered the unreasonable question, I don't hate white people and never gave any indication that I did as I've never shared anti-white propaganda or have been sued for discrimination against white people or call for the death of innocent whites or ran for office while being endorsed by explicitly anti-white groups while refusing to denounce their endorsement. It was also a stupid trolling question that didn't need to be entertained because it was so off the wall, unlike me giving evidence on why Trump is clearly racist



you can't be in these conversation and then pled ignorance. You know full well the history of calling a black man a boy condescendingly

Actually yes i can because no i didn't know that.

 

[Ubername]

telling that you ignored the rest of my post

It's personal bc you're saying shit like "go on and say whatever other racist stuff before your ban." Like come on man give him a chance, it looks like bs but hey if you're already decided then why are you wasting your time telling him.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Actually yes i can because no i didn't know that.

since you clearly don't know what you're talking about, why are you attempting to be in these conversations?

everything you've said, you now admit comes from a place of not knowing what you're talking about

it's so disingenuous and all of your arguments have been in bad faith, because you can cross the line and say "how would I know, I'm just a foreign girl?"

extremely disingenuous

 

[Rocket Number 22]

since you clearly don't know what you're talking about, why are you attempting to be in these conversations?

everything you've said, you now admit comes from a place of not knowing what you're talking about

it's so disingenuous and all of your arguments have been in bad faith, because you can cross the line and say "how would I know, I'm just a foreign girl?"

extremely disingenuous

Oh please, not knowing boy is a somehow a racist slur negates all opinions on the topic?

I hope you never comment about foreign events either then as i'm sure some BS could be pulled out the same way this son rubbish was on me

 

[Ubername]

since you clearly don't know what you're talking about, why are you attempting to be in these conversations?

everything you've said, you now admit comes from a place of not knowing what you're talking about

it's so disingenuous and all of your arguments have been in bad faith, because you can cross the line and say "how would I know, I'm just a foreign girl?"

extremely disingenuous

You can make a mistake and not realize it, which is what happened when he posted that antagonistic thing. People get away with saying shit like, Oh you poor white snowflake, all the time. The assertion that he didn't know "boy" was the objectionable part of the post is certainly believable, bc the rest of it was already pretty inflammatory. "Is the white man keeping you down" is already a condescending thing to say, adding "boy" from a place of ignorance doesn't make you a racist any more than it makes you an asshole.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

you knew full well what you're were saying, otherwise you wouldn't have used it

 

[sans_pants]

even if they are just parroting the racist shit they read on 4chan, they can go the fuck back

 

[Ubername]

you knew full well what you're were saying, otherwise you wouldn't have used it

No if he knew it he wouldn't have used it b/c he wouldn't have to deal with you dogpiling him lol. Why would someone who isn't trolling post something like that, which makes the conversation immediately turn on him.

 

[Xenobureido]

rocket: so now that you know about the word's connections, will you use it in the same context again? Also would an apology be that unwarranted?

 

[Rocket Number 22]

you knew full well what you're were saying, otherwise you wouldn't have used it

Nope, not at all.

Regardless I'm off on a date with a guy i actually did call boy too.

Lets see if im a terrible banned racist when i get home.

Hope not as it wasn't my intention but ohhhh well if yes.

 

[Night Angel]

So if the mods are gonna allow blatant racism, this site is fucked. Good luck getting new members if this shit's gonna fly.

He's not even using dog whistles anymore. Just say the n-word, Rocket. We know you want to.