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[GoldenEye98]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-sony-next-gen-playstation-5-spec-analysis

Related to that, there's also discussion in the Wired piece on real-time ray tracing as a component in next-gen PlayStation gaming. It's here where the lack of detail is somewhat disappointing in that while the silicon will support ray tracing, there is no confirmation on the extent that it is accelerated via bespoke hardware, as opposed to running in 'software' via compute shaders - as we've seen recently with Windows DXR titles running on older Nvidia 10-series graphics cards. For our part, we hope that the fact it's mentioned at all confirms that there is some hardware assisted RT baked into the design.

But there's always one genuine surprise when it comes to a next-gen console specs reveal and in the case of the Sony next-gen console reveal, that's the nature of the storage solution the platform holder is employing. We had heard a while back that PlayStation 5 was developed around a state-of-the-art solid-state storage solution (1TB of capacity was the rumour) but the gossip was easy to discount, because even though solid-state memory modules have reduced substantially in price recently, SSDs are still a lot more expensive than mechanical drives. In a world where consoles are built to rigid build costs, upgrading storage to solid-state seemed impossible.

This is the key barrier that Sony has broken through for its new hardware. The demos sound astonishing, using a combination of hardware and software to accelerate Marvel's Spider-Man loading times by a factor of 19x compared to the standard PS4 code. The chances are that CPU has its own part to play here - data is usually compressed, then decompressed on the fly when it's needed. With Ryzen cores on board, decompression speeds will skyrocket, but it wouldn't achieve these speeds without a true generational leap in storage bandwidth. And that brings us on to the second demo, highlighting the vast increase to streaming performance. The speed at which the player can move through the city in Spider-Man is primarily defined by the PS4's storage limitations. Using the SSD, we're told that the player can move through New York with the speed of a jetfighter. It's said that the new PlayStation's SSD has bandwidth that exceeds the best that the PC has to offer. To put that into perspective, a top-tier NVMe drive like the Samsung 970 Pro achieves sustained sequential read/writes of 3.5GB/s and 2.5GB/s respectively. To better that in a console would be a revelation.

 

[Fake]

Still waiting for a video. Hope he make one. Zen2 already win today.

 

[Insane Metal]

I'm just happy to know it's Zen 2 based. This is such great news. Also, SSD!!! Huge win for a console.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Like I said before, there was no way it was coming this year what with the amount of big PS4 exclusives coming later in the year.

Sounds impressive, Ryzen 3000-series 7nm CPU cores on an APU alongside Navi GPU cores will be one hell of a beast.

 

[Saber]

Oh..was expecting that but not this fast.

Kinda sad there isn't a video. But hey, they do think it could match PC in terms of power. Well, that would be neat.

 

[mckmas8808]

No way Sony will price the PS5 at $400.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

No way Sony will price the PS5 at $400.

smartphones are in the thousands so why do console have stick to a 400 pound price tag?

 

[sdrawkcab]

No way Sony will price the PS5 at $400.

Def higher

 

[chinoXL]

i'll gladly pay 500 for this..the pro was 400 and this will smoke it specs wise, what's another hundred bucks for MUCH better hardware....not to be a d!ck about it, but if you want the console to be top tier, you gotta open the wallet

 

[FranXico]

No way Sony will price the PS5 at $400.

Even if they were willing to take the loss, they still wouldn't be losing as much as they did with the launch PS3...

 

[mckmas8808]

Even if they were willing to take the loss, they still wouldn't be losing as much as they did with the launch PS3...

This is super true.

 

[Leonidas]

I guess they're using Gen 4 PCI-e for the SSD(not available on mainstream PCs today but coming this year).

 

[Chozofication_]

Very good. I will continue to rock my og ps4 until this launches. Ps4 BC and ssd is GREAT. If they can make all ps4 titles load in a second that will be extremely impressive.

My only concern is Sony California's continued shenanigans.

 

[Chozofication_]

No way Sony will price the PS5 at $400.

And I ask you - aren't you glad?! We probably wouldn't have gotten all this for 400.

 

[Spukc]

pretty sure sony will ask $700 to $900 for this.
ray tracing only works on RTX as we all know,
and 8k cant even work on RTX2080ti ($1300)
so it has to even be better, Pushing gaming as we know it.

 

[Chozofication_]

pretty sure sony will ask $700 to $900 for this.
ray tracing only works on RTX as we all know,
and 8k cant even work on RTX2080ti ($1300)
so it has to even be better, Pushing gaming as we know it.

500 tops bro.

 

[CyberPanda]

500-600. And they will sell it at a loss.

 

[Chozofication_]

500-600. And they will sell it at a loss.

I dunno man I think sony is terrified of the $599 price tag xD

500 and another year of ssds falling in price oughta do it I think.

 

[CyberPanda]

I dunno man I think sony is terrified of the $599 price tag xD

500 and another year of ssds falling in price oughta do it I think.

Well, we’ll see what happens I guess.

 

[NickFire]

pretty sure sony will ask $700 to $900 for this.
ray tracing only works on RTX as we all know,
and 8k cant even work on RTX2080ti ($1300)
so it has to even be better, Pushing gaming as we know it.

Pretty sure that asking for 700 to 900 would be the equivalent of waving the white flag in the never ending console wars.

 

[Saber]

pretty sure sony will ask $700 to $900 for this.
ray tracing only works on RTX as we all know,
and 8k cant even work on RTX2080ti ($1300)
so it has to even be better, Pushing gaming as we know it.

It would be a big no around the entire globe if that even happens.

No one would expend this much on a PS5.

 

[Dargor]

Specs wise, this might be great, price wise, gonna wait and see, but I hope they surprise us with that too, if not, it might be a litte too pricey for me.

 

[sendit]

pretty sure sony will ask $700 to $900 for this.
ray tracing only works on RTX as we all know,
and 8k cant even work on RTX2080ti ($1300)
so it has to even be better, Pushing gaming as we know it.

RTX 2080 TI can run games at 8K. Even a 1080 TI can run games at 8k. There are a ton of variables before making a blanket statement like "8K can't even work on RTX2080ti". This is a graphical output versus acceptable performance comparison. Do I think developers will achieve acceptable performance at 8K given the consoles spec? No. Given a choice, I still play at 1080p with my 1080 TI because the FPS performance isn't acceptable to me at 4k.

 

[mckmas8808]

And I ask you - aren't you glad?! We probably wouldn't have gotten all this for 400.

I'm super happy.

 

[sn0man]

Dark10X hanging out? I’m pretty stoked about the announcements. I may delay playing games with long load times that I haven’t started just so I can enjoy them later with quick loads and stable frame rates.

 

[ethomaz]

pretty sure sony will ask $700 to $900 for this.
ray tracing only works on RTX as we all know,
and 8k cant even work on RTX2080ti ($1300)
so it has to even be better, Pushing gaming as we know it.

$499 max.

 

[Leonidas]

Interesting how the only thing they comment on in terms of performance is the SSD.

No comments on CPU/GPU performance. No comments on RAM speed or size.

 

[Shin]

$500 with $50 bucks lost seems reasonable all things considered and probably how PS4 started out, no?

 

[zenspider]

Sounds like great news, but for me...

...too rich for my blood. Unless this thing comes in at sub-400, look forward to my PS5 LTTPs in 2025.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Sony will price it at $449.99, mark (cerny) my words.

 

[Fahdis]

Not buying Sony consoles until mid gen refresh. Fuck launch consoles. Im happy enough with my 1080Ti Sli's and PS4 Pro.

 

[Ovek]

Not buying Sony consoles until mid gen refresh. Fuck launch consoles. Im happy enough with my 1080Ti Sli's and PS4 Pro.

Don’t blame you when we all know a Sony will launch a “Pro” version two or three years down the line.

 

[Shin]

...too rich for my blood. Unless this thing comes in at sub-400, look forward to my PS5 LTTPs in 2025.

Start saving 0.28ct per day until next year and you'll have the extra $100.

 

[Kdad]

A Switch is 300$...I'm thinking asking 599$ is still justifiable..

My Atari 2600 cost me $830 in today's dollars

 

[Ovek]

A Switch is 300$...I'm thinking asking 599$ is still justifiable..

My Atari 2600 cost me $830 in today's dollars

Consoles or the games industry as a whole can’t follow inflation like every other industry on Earth, a new console regardless of what’s inside it has to be $399 or bust.

 

[TLZ]

Where's the video DF?

 

[mckmas8808]

Don’t blame you when we all know a Sony will launch a “Pro” version two or three years down the line.

It's never 2 years down the line. It will be at least 3.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

499 US dollars. With maybe a ~50 dollar loss at launch too. Soon made back with sale of a couple of games, ps+, controller etc.

399 isn’t worth what it once was due to something called inflation. It’s dumb to think that new consoles can keep launching at that price. Especially if you want them to be good too.

 

[Gamernyc78]

pretty sure sony will ask $700 to $900 for this.
ray tracing only works on RTX as we all know,
and 8k cant even work on RTX2080ti ($1300)
so it has to even be better, Pushing gaming as we know it.

Go back to the Microsoft threads dude lol 700 to 900 rightttttt

 

[Gamernyc78]

Interesting how the only thing they comment on in terms of performance is the SSD.

No comments on CPU/GPU performance. No comments on RAM speed or size.

That was done purposeful. They don't want to share too much info because (1) they know their competitor is taking notes and (2) thy need to save tht for the info blowout.

 

[Grinchy]

I'm willing to pay $500 easily for a nicely-powered console. Especially if they don't do some shitty mid-gen upgrade console again. That shit is too confusing and doesn't get complete support.

 

[sendit]

I'm willing to pay $500 easily for a nicely-powered console. Especially if they don't do some shitty mid-gen upgrade console again. That shit is too confusing and doesn't get complete support.

How was it confusing? The same game plays practically the same on both the initial console and mid gen refresh. Given the option, I hope they continue to go this route.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Oh paper it’s still almost here for me to believe. Not the power itself necessarily, but this kind of power/utility for less than 500 bucks.

I’m super excited though. Gonna be great

For the power detailed in the specs, 500 bucks will be a steal

 

[Grinchy]

How was it confusing? The same game plays practically the same on both the initial console and mid gen refresh. Given the option, I hope they continue to go this route.

People on forums had to make lists of what the Pro version of games offered. Which games had HDR, which games had 4K, which did checkerboard, which games had framerate boosts, ect. Some games had higher-end modes that would increase resolution but the framerate would suffer so it was better playing in the other mode.

It wasn't easy to follow at all. And some developers don't patch their games for the upgraded model at all. How would you know? Oh, you check the long ass list of games and what their Pro benefits are. It's very stupid.

 

[Stuart360]

I dont really get why people are always against paying $500-600 for a powerhouse console, something thats going to last 6+ years. No problem buying phones and tablets at that price or higher though.

 

[Kdad]

Consoles or the games industry as a whole can’t follow inflation like every other industry on Earth, a new console regardless of what’s inside it has to be $399 or bust.

I'm an old so maybe I'm reading the market wrong...game consoles (except for a subset of Nintendo fans) are no longer being marketed as a 'toy'...today's late teen purchasers have been conditioned to walk around with 1000$ phones in their pockets...I think the market will bear more than $399.

 

[demigod]

Correct me if i'm wrong but it looks like Wired was shown behind closed doors but not DF.

 

[cubicle47b]

The specs are fantastic. If they can make the controller battery last a lot longer I’m in.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I dont really get why people are always against paying $500-600 for a powerhouse console, something thats going to last 6+ years. No problem buying phones and tablets at that price or higher though.

Out of all products in the world, some reason video game consoles are the only thing that has this "maximum $400" stigma. And if possible, more like $300.

For everything else, people are willing to pay more due to product improvements or inflation, but consoles have this mental barrier that has a Psionic Resistance Rating of 100.