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Lol, no. Maybe you played the game a bit at launch and quitted, I suggest you to play SFVAE, the game improved a lot since launch.SF5 is worse than Sonic 4.
Lol, no. Maybe you played the game a bit at launch and quitted, I suggest you to play SFVAE, the game improved a lot since launch.SF5 is worse than Sonic 4.
Growing up with streetfighter and saying smash is a fighting game
Dear lord.
Sure some may call smash a fighting game when you rip literally every thing out of it.The original Street Fighter 1 is a fighting game. Now compare that very basic fighting game to a game like Soul Calibur 6 with things like ring outs, reversals, arenas in 3D. The genre has changed tremendously and is barely recognizable when stacked against its origins.
If 1v1 Smash is not a fighting game, I’m curious to know what you would classify it as. And please don’t call it a “party” game, because that’s not a legitimate classification.
Bushido Blade is an interesting example, since it builds on top of the core of traditional fighters but adds weapon lethality, extra mobility in 3D space, etc.Here's what Wikipedia says about Bushido Blade:
And yet
Maybe the 182 people who worked on that page are dumb too.
1v1 Smash is no different on a core mechanical level to standard Smash, ergo it's the same genre. Arena Fighter, out of respect for your last sentence.The original Street Fighter 1 is a fighting game. Now compare that very basic fighting game to a game like Soul Calibur 6 with things like ring outs, reversals, arenas in 3D. The genre has changed tremendously and is barely recognizable when stacked against its origins.
If 1v1 Smash is not a fighting game, I’m curious to know what you would classify it as. And please don’t call it a “party” game, because that’s not a legitimate classification.
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it's a party game at first.
How is this classification made? People very commonly play this as a single player game, or in 1 v 1 modes. The fact that 4 people can play this together seems to be the only reason it is labeled a party game, am I mistaken? Was Goldeneye in this "party game" genre then?
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That's not the argument. When people say these things, the core of what they are saying is that the appeal of Smash has 0 to do with it being a fighting game. Which is self evident. It's the big exclusive brand crossover party fighting game. If the series was like a Kingdom Hearts style JRPG thing instead of a fighting game, it would still be exactly as popular for the exact same reasons. Maybe moreso on an embarrassing anime amv obsession level. MK, SF, Tekken? Nah.How is this classification made? People very commonly play this as a single player game, or in 1 v 1 modes. The fact that 4 people can play this together seems to be the only reason it is labeled a party game, am I mistaken? Was Goldeneye in this "party game" genre then?
Improved in the sense that it got a cheap piece of shit knock off Netherrealm story mode and a generic arcade mode alongside more chars. Yay.Lol, no. Maybe you played the game a bit at launch and quitted, I suggest you to play SFVAE, the game improved a lot since launch.
fighting game
I mean, in the end it's just a name describing a thing. It may or may not evolve over time.I completely agree with you, and I realize that demanding too much precision from a broad notion can rob it of its usefulness. But at the same time it'd be unfortunate to insist that "fighting game" is "a game like Street Fighter II." That puts some heavy restrictions on how much the genre can grow and develop.
Bringing up the RPG genre is interesting, because that's a concept that's evolved tremendously over the years. Originally it referred to tabletop games where you put together a character and played that role. There was combat and leveling and such, but those were in service of the role-playing. Video games built around the RPG concept couldn't offer that degree of flexibility, so the roles became fairly fixed while other elements were carried over intact. And now, as you say, we have "RPG elements" in our first-person shooters. So, why shouldn't the fighting game genre also undergo some of its own evolution?
Right, it is a fighting game - the words crossover, party, big brand exclusive, these tell you absolutely nothing about the gameplay. I wonder why you felt the need to add fighting at the end?
What about the gameplay makes it unfit for the fighting genre? It's a fighting game with non standard mechanics, I don't see any other genre being a better fit, and it's not so unique as to deserve it's own genre classification of "party", which would seem to include many wildly different types of games, and thus isn't really helpful as a descriptor.
I added fighting because it was the dead last least important thing about the game, hence the tiny text. Something you're deliberately ignoring. Again.Right, it is a fighting game - the words crossover, party, big brand exclusive, these tell you absolutely nothing about the gameplay. I wonder why you felt the need to add fighting at the end?
What about the gameplay makes it unfit for the fighting genre? It's a fighting game with non standard mechanics, I don't see any other genre being a better fit, and it's not so unique as to deserve it's own genre classification of "party", which would seem to include many wildly different types of games, and thus isn't really helpful as a descriptor.
I added fighting because it was the dead last least important thing about the game
Thanks, everyone knows categorically what it is. What everyone else is telling you is that it's not why people care.
I mean, in the end it's just a name describing a thing. It may or may not evolve over time.
I will say, though, "smash vs fighting games" as a topic of a discussion always ends in an amusing dumpster fire where both sides get aggressively defensive over shit that doesn't matter. Never gets old. This board should have a [Bait] tag because this thread is exactly that.
But you didn't omit it, because it's the only word there that even attempts to convey what the gameplay focus is. It's a fighter.
No they don't appear to. That's a different discussion.
I literally told why I wrote it the way I did. Why are you making conjecture that is contrary to reality? It was a string of words describing aspects of the game people care about. There's some pretty obvious visual cues that denote importance. And this has been explained to you.But you didn't omit it, because it's the only word there that even attempts to convey what the gameplay focus is. It's a fighter.
No they don't appear to. That's a different discussion.
Neither was collecting trophies in Smash. For someone who complains about others not having a point you don't seem to have one either. Oh well your crying won't save the Street Fighter franchise after what V did to it. Don't worry Ryu and Ken have a better home in Smash now. Have fun with banana Ken in your game
I played SF V at launchStreet fighters not going anywhere either.... SFV isnt a bad fighting game, it just had a awful stupid launch. “Most” the people who complain about it havent even played it.
They are 2 completely different fighting games, like comparing them to Tekken and powerstone
And guess what, no it's not a different discussion. People tend to notice a very obvious difference with Smash.
Yes but the damage is done and there's gonna need a lot of effort and quality control to save Street Fighter 6 or whatever they plan on making next. The same goes for Marvel vs. Capcom. I'd like nothing more for Capcom fighting games to be good as they were previous generations but at the moment it seems like they don't care as much as other companies which is why they are being left in the dust currently. Adding DLC can only do much if nobody really cared about your game to begin with.Street fighters not going anywhere either.... SFV isnt a bad fighting game, it just had a awful stupid launch. “Most” the people who complain about it havent even played it.
They are 2 completely different fighting games, like comparing them to Tekken and powerstone
To be fair, when Street Fighter 2 was relevant, gaming wasn't half as big, and e-sports didn't even exist.
This is like boasting that colour films have become more popular than black and white films.
SF5 is worse than Sonic 4.
Much worse.
I say this as a fan of both SF and Sonic.
I realize it is bad thing to compare atrocities.
But there it is.
SF5 makes me recall Vanilla SF4 with less ire.
Many other reasons have been listed i'm just illustrating that smash fans don't care about real fighting games that's all lol
Sure some may call smash a fighting game when you rip literally every thing out of it.
Don't go pretending what ever the hell they play on EVO is the normal game xD
it's a party game at first.
Smash Ultimate is truly the peak of fighting game achievements
Street fighters not going anywhere either.... SFV isnt a bad fighting game, it just had a awful stupid launch. “Most” the people who complain about it havent even played it.
They are 2 completely different fighting games, like comparing them to Tekken and powerstone
I’m a Smash fan and I instantly recognized Terry Bogard in the reveal trailer.
Does this change your mind? Or did my use of punctuation and not signing off with “lol” hurt my credibility?
Congrats? He's only been around for close to 30 years, you ask this to any self respecting fighting game fan and they know who he is. Majority of smash players didn't know and didn't care until now.
WrongNothing is “ripped out.” The fighters move sets are made and balanced by testing them out 1v1.
And “party” game just means it’s fun in a group. It’s not usually not used in referring to an actual genre.
I originally didn’t like Smash at all. Bought it on GameCube and wrote it off as a game where you just mindlessly spammed moves. Then I had friends who turned off items and played on battlefield and Final Destination. This is when I started to see this game was very competitive and fun.
I’m wondering if some of you never stopped spamming down B as Yoshi either, and gave this series a fair chance.
What are you talking about? Super Smash Bros. is a fighting game and Mario Kart is a racer. That's like if I were to say Call of Duty isn't a shooter but SOCOM is when they're just part of different sub-genres (first-person arcade and third-person tactical).
Well their point is simply it doesn't appeal to the same player base.
Sure some may call smash a fighting game when you rip literally every thing out of it.
Don't go pretending is the normal game xD
it's a party game at first.
Wrong
Improved in a way that had input lag issues at launch and now has better input lag than basicaclly all their direct competitors. Had connection issues, matchmaking issues and other server issues at launch that have been fixed. Added 22 characters (more coming next week/month), a ton of stages, costumes and colors. In addition to the MK-like story mode added the biggest ever arcade mode ever with 6 paths (SF1, SF Alpha, SF2, SF3, SFIV, SFV, each path with an different ending for every character in addition to more than 500 unlockable illustrations for the artwork gallery), remade their survival mode improving the issues it had, added weekly missions and weekly challenges to unlock some extra costume for free, added a customizable dojo stage and many other things.That's not the argument. When people say these things, the core of what they are saying is that the appeal of Smash has 0 to do with it being a fighting game. Which is self evident. It's the big exclusive brand crossover party fighting game. If the series was like a Kingdom Hearts style JRPG thing instead of a fighting game, it would still be exactly as popular for the exact same reasons. Maybe moreso on an embarrassing anime amv obsession level. MK, SF, Tekken? Nah.
Improved in the sense that it got a cheap piece of shit knock off Netherrealm story mode and a generic arcade mode alongside more chars. Yay.
Y'know what's embarrassing? They released a new version of the game just because they spent 3 ham sandwiches making an arcade mode. That's just fucking pathetic dude.
Sony tried but failed.Since its such a success I wonder why there aren't more clones?
There are tons of traditional 2D fighting game franchises and 3D fighting game franchises so why not more Smash clones?
I get that a big part of the appeal is the Nintendo characters but there are other big franchises that they could use in a clone. Marvel Smash? Star Wars Smash? Harry Potter Smash?
That horse you are sitting on must be pretty tall.You don’t even know what the rules are for competitive Smash? No wonder.
1v1, no items and battlefield or omega stages. Not complicated.
Keep playing and you’ll see it’s not a party game for long. Want me to link you some tip videos?
If you haven’t experienced the game this way, you’re not worth arguing with.
Your last comment shows what kind of time waster you are anyway.
Smug and uninformed. Unable or unwilling to debate with intellect.
Don’t worry about responding, this comment was made for others to see so they don’t fall into the same trap.
Sounds like a denial tbf. Smash is the best selling fighting game.That horse your sitting on must be pretty tall.
Smash is party game pretending to be a fighter.
Kinda like a monkey wearing a golden ring.
At the end of the day it's still a stinking ape.
Keep pretending it's not a party game.
See if i care. I rather play the newest upcoming guilty gear game. You know real fighters.
Its hilarious tho as smash fans try so hard to validate their party game. By gutting the game of fun. And adding fighters from real fighting games.
Heck KOF terry stage gimmick is only there to lure in fighting fans. With the stage gimmick almost removing the need of this idiotic adhd floating garbage. Keep spewing bullshit.
Fyi i own all of the smash games. And yes i played terry last day. Big whoop.
Nah its more like comparing GT sport with mario kart. You could but why the hell would you.Sounds like a denial tbf. Smash is the best selling fighting game.
Nintendo has another series called Super Mario Party which is a party game.
This kind of denial is similar to Mario kart isn't a racing game and Pokemon isn't a Jrpg game.
Sony tried but failed.