NightmareFarm
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Controversial final fantasy opinions?
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
I feel that Nomura's characters or design makes them have a self-centered personality Or with exaggerated sentimental traits. , with very Japanese hair...
In Spanish... Los personajes son muy sangrones.
In Spanish... Los personajes son muy sangrones.
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Valt7786
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8 is one of the best titles in the series.
7 Remake is fantastic because of what they did with the word "Remake". People who take it too literally and get foamy at the mouth are hilarious.
Quina and Amarant are meh tier characters and could have not even been in 9 at all and it would have been just as good, if not better, for it.
12 is the dullest, blandest and most boring entry, combat and storyline wise.
7 Remake is fantastic because of what they did with the word "Remake". People who take it too literally and get foamy at the mouth are hilarious.
Quina and Amarant are meh tier characters and could have not even been in 9 at all and it would have been just as good, if not better, for it.
12 is the dullest, blandest and most boring entry, combat and storyline wise.
Doom85
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DelireMan7
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Thanks for the source. Interesting. A lot of conditional on this interview but I would be glad to see a pixel art FF again.
Same for me on FFX. First FF and completely blown me away. I replayed it last year and still as good as I remembered.
It's been turn-based for a total of 4 games in the entire series. 1,2,3 (NES Versions) and 10 (and certain spin-offs like Tactics).
ATB wasn't based on turns, but on a timer.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Weeeeellll.... The game overall is fiiiine, but parts of it are definitely shit.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
7 Remake is a terrible remake of the original and one of the most disappointing remakes of all time.
Final Fantasy 7 is a great game but it hasn't aged super well, the blocky models, text only dialogue, random encounters (the turn based battle system is actually pretty fun) etc
7 Remake was an opportunity to bring it into the 21st century with amazing visuals, combat on the level of Kingdom Hearts/FF16, and voice acting that gives the story the true emotional impact it needs. It could have been the Zero Mission or RE1 Remake of Final Fantasy, replacing the original entirely and becoming the new definitive version
instead the butchered the story, made boring combat that's the worst parts of action and turn based, & sulled the once amazing artistic vision, and has the gall to split their fanfic tier remake into parts you have to wait YEARS for. And the worst part is that now that it exists, and most FF fans like it, the possibility of a true remake made by fans or Squenix that's faithful and a genuine improvement on the original has dropped immensely.
Final Fantasy 7 is a great game but it hasn't aged super well, the blocky models, text only dialogue, random encounters (the turn based battle system is actually pretty fun) etc
7 Remake was an opportunity to bring it into the 21st century with amazing visuals, combat on the level of Kingdom Hearts/FF16, and voice acting that gives the story the true emotional impact it needs. It could have been the Zero Mission or RE1 Remake of Final Fantasy, replacing the original entirely and becoming the new definitive version
instead the butchered the story, made boring combat that's the worst parts of action and turn based, & sulled the once amazing artistic vision, and has the gall to split their fanfic tier remake into parts you have to wait YEARS for. And the worst part is that now that it exists, and most FF fans like it, the possibility of a true remake made by fans or Squenix that's faithful and a genuine improvement on the original has dropped immensely.
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
FFX is the most overrated game in the series (and one of the most overrated JRPGs of all time)
- main character who looks dumb, has an annoying squeaky voice, dopey exaggerated animations, and who mostly just loudly proclaims how stupid he is so that others have a reason to dump info on you
- whole party are a bunch of unlikeable douche bags except for Auron
- the entire battle system is “swap in whatever character can hurt this enemy” which is stupid and tedious. Plus you’re constantly swapping party members just so they can do something and get the full AP
- some really cringe moments, probably the first time I ever felt shame and embarrassment for playing a JRPG
- gets the lifetime achievement award for “worst minigame in a JRPG”
- then X-2 came out and showed what Square really thinks about FFX and its audience… just took a big old shit on it and ruined whatever goodwill I had left for FFX
- main character who looks dumb, has an annoying squeaky voice, dopey exaggerated animations, and who mostly just loudly proclaims how stupid he is so that others have a reason to dump info on you
- whole party are a bunch of unlikeable douche bags except for Auron
- the entire battle system is “swap in whatever character can hurt this enemy” which is stupid and tedious. Plus you’re constantly swapping party members just so they can do something and get the full AP
- some really cringe moments, probably the first time I ever felt shame and embarrassment for playing a JRPG
- gets the lifetime achievement award for “worst minigame in a JRPG”
- then X-2 came out and showed what Square really thinks about FFX and its audience… just took a big old shit on it and ruined whatever goodwill I had left for FFX
NightmareFarm
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FF7R feels much less enjoyable than FF7 despite coming out over 20 years later.
Fuz
Banned
Not controversial. Fact.
NewYork214
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9 is better then 7 
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Turn-based/ATB JRPG combat sucks and the only reason the older FF games are playable nowadays is because of auto battle + fast forward.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
damn bro i'd take that edgy opinion seriously but it turns out that there has not been a demo released yet. so uh all that is just you pulling shit outta your ass.
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NightmareFarm
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Comandr
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So I actually just replayed FF7R. Now that the mystique has worn off from the release a few years ago, I can honestly say it's not good. I really dislike the story changes. I'm replaying OG FF7 now with some mods thanks to the delightful 7th Heaven mod loader and holy shit. 60 fps field and battle, all new models that look absolutely amazing, AI upscaled backgrounds are sharp as shit and look incredible. Actually make some environments look 3D. I can't get over how good it is. Legit feel like I'm playing the remake we deserved.
RTX ON
I mean there's like a shitload of gameplay videos. Common enemies are weirdly spongey, all the DMC style action combat is completely lost on me. Once I found out the actual DMC combat director is working on the combat in FF16 I .... just lost interest. This isn't final fantasy. This is just DMC with final fantasy paint.
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kondorBonk
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The more they focus on hyper realism, the more we lose the fantasy.
The worlds of 15 and what I've seen of 16 so far look bland.
The few elements that do tie FF games together, are getting old. I'd like to be surprised one in a while by summons or spells.
The worlds of 15 and what I've seen of 16 so far look bland.
The few elements that do tie FF games together, are getting old. I'd like to be surprised one in a while by summons or spells.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Last true DMC game came out 4 years ago so i'd settle for this, looks way better graphically too
a genuine shame. FF7 with mods is honestly the only way the game is tolerable to me, the old backgrounds and models dont cut it imho
ATB is still turns based on a timer. You get a turn when the bar is full. Plus you command the whole team usually except 13. To further clarify I dislike 11,12,14, and 15.
Now get off of my grass you young whippersnapper.
Valt7786
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See, people are still thinking FF7: Remake as just a remake or retelling, thus frothy anger.
Its not a remake, its a sequel involving time travel, so yeah, there's changes.
Obviously you're free to dislike that, but dislike it for the right reasons, not just "hurf durf remake not 1:1" or "but it says remake in title so dats wot it is lol".
Its not a remake, its a sequel involving time travel, so yeah, there's changes.
Obviously you're free to dislike that, but dislike it for the right reasons, not just "hurf durf remake not 1:1" or "but it says remake in title so dats wot it is lol".
NightmareFarm
Member
If the game has "remake" in it's title then it should be a remake not a sequel.
It's like if you order a meat feast from dominos and you get pineapple pizza instead. Fans have every reason to be pissed and the title setting false expectations makes the game objectively worse.
Comandr
Member
I think plenty of people, at least, myself included, understand it's a sequel. But that's... not what was promised when they announced Final Fantasy 7 REMAKE. That's not what people wanted. They wanted a remake. The reveal in what... 2015? Alluded to a REMAKE of the original game. Instead we got some Nomura bullshit where you... literally kill the manifestation of ... fans' desires to preserve the original story? What? Mega cringe.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
Why no one remembers Final Fantasy Type-0?
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It's not turns, because you don't get a *turn*, you get an *action*. Everything acts simultaneously and enemies can it you at any time. Now you can put the battle system on *Wait*, but that just puts a stop to the timer and you still have to choose a menu (like items) before it works. It's pretend at best.
That's NOT classic, pure turn based.
Now get off MY lawn, whippersnapper.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
This.
X, VII & VIII are the best in the series.
IX was just okay.
XIII should have and could have been better.
The original Versus XIII would have been a better game then what they shipped with XV.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
My controversial opinion is that anyone who thinks Final Fantasy XIII is better than Final Fantasy IX should be castrated and then left to die on a deserted island.
And that's not controversial at all, bub.
NecrosaroIII
Ask me about my terrible takes on Star Trek characters
FF1 - Boring and unplayable by modern standards. It's one of the first games I ever played. And I can't go back.
FF2 - Better than FF1 in every way, but still prototypical
FF3 - Great soundtrack, shitty boring game.
FF4 - Not good. Amazing soundtrack
FF5 - Worse than 4. I don't like the class system.
FF6 - First half is great. The second half is pretty boring. Doesn't sell its concept enough
FF7 - First good FF through and through.
FF8 - So broken that I love it.
FF9 - Cool atmosphere and world design, but kind of boring.
FF10 - God I hate this fucking game.
FF12 - Amazing game. People blame the weak ending on Matsuno leaving halfway through... but I don't think it had that big of an impact. They probably worked off his plans. Historically he's great at set up and rising tension, but weak at tying it together and ending it.
FF13 - Could have been great, but they pretty much botched the execution of essentially everything. Snow isn't as bad as people think he is.
FF14 - The content between ARR and HW is some of the best material in the whole game. I love the Crystal Braves stuff, Bahamut and Crystal Tower.
FF2 - Better than FF1 in every way, but still prototypical
FF3 - Great soundtrack, shitty boring game.
FF4 - Not good. Amazing soundtrack
FF5 - Worse than 4. I don't like the class system.
FF6 - First half is great. The second half is pretty boring. Doesn't sell its concept enough
FF7 - First good FF through and through.
FF8 - So broken that I love it.
FF9 - Cool atmosphere and world design, but kind of boring.
FF10 - God I hate this fucking game.
FF12 - Amazing game. People blame the weak ending on Matsuno leaving halfway through... but I don't think it had that big of an impact. They probably worked off his plans. Historically he's great at set up and rising tension, but weak at tying it together and ending it.
FF13 - Could have been great, but they pretty much botched the execution of essentially everything. Snow isn't as bad as people think he is.
FF14 - The content between ARR and HW is some of the best material in the whole game. I love the Crystal Braves stuff, Bahamut and Crystal Tower.
NightmareFarm
Member
A better fate than having to wait decades for each battle member to finish their turn in FFIX.My controversial opinion is that anyone who thinks Final Fantasy XIII is better than Final Fantasy IX should be castrated and then left to die on a deserted island.
And that's not controversial at all, bub.
Should probably trigger some people myself.
IX is the best Final Fantasy
VII is ok, but massively overrated
VIII is the worst, some elements and moments I really like, but again the worst.
X and XIII (!post-game!) have the best combat in the series because of superior encounter design (Which FF usually sucks at)
Controversy III and V are great for build porn, but the encounters themselves are as meh as the rest of the series.
IV is underrated.
VI is fantastic with lots of little issues.
XV was fucked up at every stage possible. There's no clear blame, doesn't mean Tabata didn't fuck up royally himself.
XV I like a lot about it, in concept. Execution is horrible though. Nearly everything about the game could have been done better.
XIII-2 was my favourite FF since IX.
II is not without its issues. But a lot of the bad rep I see online I always wonder if its from people actually having played the game and not just heard about it.
Probably forgetting some stuff.
IX is the best Final Fantasy
VII is ok, but massively overrated
VIII is the worst, some elements and moments I really like, but again the worst.
X and XIII (!post-game!) have the best combat in the series because of superior encounter design (Which FF usually sucks at)
Controversy III and V are great for build porn, but the encounters themselves are as meh as the rest of the series.
IV is underrated.
VI is fantastic with lots of little issues.
XV was fucked up at every stage possible. There's no clear blame, doesn't mean Tabata didn't fuck up royally himself.
XV I like a lot about it, in concept. Execution is horrible though. Nearly everything about the game could have been done better.
XIII-2 was my favourite FF since IX.
II is not without its issues. But a lot of the bad rep I see online I always wonder if its from people actually having played the game and not just heard about it.
Probably forgetting some stuff.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
It's not turns, because you don't get a *turn*, you get an *action*. Everything acts simultaneously and enemies can it you at any time. Now you can put the battle system on *Wait*, but that just puts a stop to the timer and you still have to choose a menu (like items) before it works. It's pretend at best.
That's NOT classic, pure turn based.
Now get off MY lawn, whippersnapper.
Except that you're wrong. Characters in Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX can't perform an action at the same time. If two characters have have their ATB filled at the same time, the character who selects their action first will perform their action first, and the other character must wait to perform their action until the previous character has completed their action. This is the definition of turn-based. The only Final Fantasy game that uses ATB where your argument could apply is Final Fantasy XII since characters can perform actions simultaneously.
IFireflyl
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mitch1971
Member
I enjoyed it, too. Though, it is the only final fantasy I've ever played.
Captain Toad
Banned
I agree that FFXIII is underrated. But, I think FFX is way overrated. Those two games are similar in many ways and I think in most cases XIII comes out on top.
Fbh
Member
I mostly liked FF7R (though I'm worried about how the story will progress).
But I think it's totally fair to dislike a game called FF7 REMAKE for not being a remake
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
I agree that turn-based is the only way. There's plenty of room for innovation within turn-based battles, but nothing can fix the totally broken mess of live combat.
Western actions RPGs are a terrible genre to take any influence from, run from them and never look back.
Something like Skyrim is the antithesis of everything I want in a game, so basically take the opposite approach of every single gameplay decision Skyrim made and you'll gradually bring FF back on track.
Also, flee hard from Game of Thrones aesthetics, as hard as you can. Even X2's most campy moments would be better than anything the GOT world could offer humanity on its best day.
Western actions RPGs are a terrible genre to take any influence from, run from them and never look back.
Something like Skyrim is the antithesis of everything I want in a game, so basically take the opposite approach of every single gameplay decision Skyrim made and you'll gradually bring FF back on track.
Also, flee hard from Game of Thrones aesthetics, as hard as you can. Even X2's most campy moments would be better than anything the GOT world could offer humanity on its best day.
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Captain Toad
Banned
Actually, you're wrong here. ATB is not real turn-based.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Is this even controversial?
cireza
Member
Not a great series overall. I played pretty much all "offline" games and gameplay wise they are poor and broken (older games).
I find that it became solid in terms of gameplay in FF X, but before it is a shit-fest. Note that you can enjoy how broken they are, in a way this can be fun, which ultimately is the purpose of a game. I find V and VIII to be most enjoyable in that regard. Stories have been totally forgettable as well.
Then afterwards I simply couldn't deal with the ultra bland, monochromatic design of FF XII.
FF XIII was good, but XIII-2 and particularly XIII-3 were excellent.
FF XV was also a lot of fun.
Finally FF XVI looks like Japan trying to make an Western RPG. And the design brings me back to FF XII, which isn't a compliment.
ATB battle system has always been complete trash as well. Thank god FF X threw it away.
I find that it became solid in terms of gameplay in FF X, but before it is a shit-fest. Note that you can enjoy how broken they are, in a way this can be fun, which ultimately is the purpose of a game. I find V and VIII to be most enjoyable in that regard. Stories have been totally forgettable as well.
Then afterwards I simply couldn't deal with the ultra bland, monochromatic design of FF XII.
FF XIII was good, but XIII-2 and particularly XIII-3 were excellent.
FF XV was also a lot of fun.
Finally FF XVI looks like Japan trying to make an Western RPG. And the design brings me back to FF XII, which isn't a compliment.
ATB battle system has always been complete trash as well. Thank god FF X threw it away.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
My controversial opinion is that anyone who thinks Final Fantasy XIII is better than Final Fantasy IX should be castrated and then left to die on a deserted island.
And that's not controversial at all, bub.
13 has the worst Protagonist
Such a pretentious little bitch
The whole cast is horrible
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FF:Enhanced_Reality
Member
Oh my, okay here's a few for you.
- Final Fantasy Versus XIII looked like a better game than any that were actually released in the XIII trilogy.
- The best games in the franchise were 6 - 10 and none of them have ever come to matching the feeling of playing them, the unique stories, worlds and feel of each of them.
- The Final Fantasy franchise is no longer big enough or strong enough to be a killer IP for a AAA publisher when it needs 5 years and multiple price reductions to meet 10m in sales and cancelling DLC/upcoming content for it.
- Getting Final Fantasy XVI as an exclusive, timed or not, was a complete and utter mistake. It looks like Final Fantasy meets Dragon's Dogma, generic as fuck and I bet it'll suffer the same fate as XIII.
- Crisis Core was absolutely terrible, as was Dirge of Cerberus. The only thing in the FFVII series that ever came close to VII was the Advent Children movie.
the game will now have a completely different story. The locations will all be there but the story will be completely different. Zack is also going to take the place of Cloud as Cloud is going to die instead of Aerith in the City of the Ancients.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
But ATB is a legitimate rendition of turn-based tabletop gaming. In classic D&D, it was a legitimate and even common rule when asking the party for a reaction or move, that if someone hesitated you could judge as the DM that the character hesitated and play out the results accordingly.
