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RUMOR: Leaker Kepler thinks the next Xbox is coming sooner than 2028
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This could work.
Concept of "generations" is basically useless nowadays because even with "generations" we experienced 3 years of cross-gen stuff. And thanks to backwards compatibility and prevalence of live service games people are still playing games that they were playing in XOne/PS4 generation.
Just mandate from devs some guardrails in terms of old console support - something like Apple is promising iOS support for two iPhone generations (or however long they are promising support) and basically make Xbox consoles as an "optimised PC build" that will be releasing every 4 years (for example).
Concept of "generations" is basically useless nowadays because even with "generations" we experienced 3 years of cross-gen stuff. And thanks to backwards compatibility and prevalence of live service games people are still playing games that they were playing in XOne/PS4 generation.
Just mandate from devs some guardrails in terms of old console support - something like Apple is promising iOS support for two iPhone generations (or however long they are promising support) and basically make Xbox consoles as an "optimised PC build" that will be releasing every 4 years (for example).
Yeah. I'm sure Sony would announce PS6 right after they will release new 650€ console in PS5 Pro. That would be really stupid.
And I don't know what would be a problem for Microsoft releasing new Xbox earlier. Sony had new consoles in 2020 and 2024, Microsoft will have consoles in 2020 and 2026 (for example).
Killjoy-NL
Member
Read what I said.
I said Sony just needs to announce that they are actively working on PS6 to counter an early next-gen Xbox.
The Xbox-brand is dead outside US and UK and there it's dying as well.
An early next-gen release will only make things more difficult for Xbox.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Eh, I'm not sure that would be insurmountable.
Effectively what we had at the beginning of the generation was 4 Xbox configurations being supported - One, One X, Series S and Series X and that period still isn't over for all games yet - there are still Xbox One / PS4 games coming.
So what we've got now is effectively an end to generations, with a blurry period where new hardware comes out and first party releases are across multiple machines. Nintendo are probably the only manufacturer who still do generations the way they used to be.
So, when you buy a console now, you have an expectation for how long it'll be supported. In the case of PS5 Pro there's an implication that the hardware will be retired at the same time as the PS5. A bit of a shame since the hardware should last longer into the future than PS5.
So, with that in mind, imagine if Sony called the PS5Pro "PS6" and the hardware they released after that PS7. Etc. Then they also said all their hardware would get first party games for a minimum of 8 years. 3rd party might get them for longer, but first party gets them for 8 years minimum. They'd maybe release a new machine every 4 years. Like they're already expected to be doing with PS5 pro.
I don't see that being the worst thing. Every machine gets about a decade of use from launch, whether it's a mid gen refresh or if it has a different number attached to the name.
Maybe Microsoft are considering that approach. If they get their games release pipeline worked out they could extend that 8 years through various approaches too.
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So you want to tell me that Sony, who waited up until october to reveal PS5 Slim, so they would not slowdown sales of "base PS5" will announce years in advance after release of PS5 Pro that they are working on PS6? I though Sony is not worried about Xbox
...Also. Everybody knows that they will be working on PS6 after PS5 Pro. Formal announcement of a console that will be out in 2-3 years sounds stupid as hell and wouldn't help you with anything because chances are that you don't even have final specs of said console.
Killjoy-NL
Member
It's pure PR. Simple as that.So you want to tell me that Sony, who waited up until october to reveal PS5 Slim, so they would not slowdown sales of "base PS5" will announce years in advance after release of PS5 Pro that they are working on PS6? I though Sony is not worried about Xbox
They already got the momentum, mindshare and marketshare.
But that doesn't mean you just let your competitors make moves without any sort of reaction.
Again, PR.
Besides, an early next-gen Xbox will more likely piss off the shrinking Xbox fanbase than it would attract people en masse.
It just sends out a signal to the gaming community that MS is willing to kill of their gen sooner rather than later.
It'll be a PR-disaster for Xbox.
Depends.
Since we just witnessed 3 years cross-gen period I really doubt any Xbox players would even notice less games being developed for Series X/S. Especially since Sony will still have PS5 on the market that will be supported by same games...
I saw how angry Nintendo fans became after Nintendo killed of WiiU early. So angry they were, that Switch is now sitting at 130 million consoles sold
. And WiiU sold way less then Series X/S.
Killjoy-NL
Member
The question will be how many xbox fans will even be left.Depends.
Since we just witnessed 3 years cross-gen period I really doubt any Xbox players would even notice less games being developed for Series X/S. Especially since Sony will still have PS5 on the market that will be supported by same games...
I saw how angry Nintendo fans became after Nintendo killed of WiiU early. So angry they were, that Switch is now sitting at 130 million consoles sold
And I knew you'd bring Nintendo into this, but nobody will take the comparison between Xbox and Nintendo serious.
Let's face it, Xbox is dying. Even Spencer clearly stated it.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You're a great dude and GAF member, but come on man. We all know ain't no way the next generation Xbox is coming out in time for GTA 6. That's Spring 2025.
Crayon
Member
There's plenty left if they go for a high ticket, lower volume console.
So WiiU being absolute catastrophe even with might of Nintendo first-party is somehow not comparable? Just because?
Please.
Xbox is dying maybe in head of people who would not buy one anyway. Last time I checked, Series X/S is still on pace to +- match Xbox One output in terms of consoles sold and that's with all first-party games being released on PC (which was not the case in XOne gen). So thanks to you I know that selling 50 million consoles is "Xbox is dying" and 13 million WiiU sold is somehow "bump in the road."
I admire your optimism of GTA VI being released in spring 2025
I always said that you need to add one year to every "release year" Rockstar will provide in initial trailer of every of their games.
So I don't expect GTA VI to be out sooner then 2026.
Killjoy-NL
Member
And if MS is content with current state of affairs.
They won't get the success of X360 again and even that was due to Sony messing up with the PS3 at launch.
Killjoy-NL
Member
No, because Nintendo is a household-name.
Xbox is irrelevant.
MS might be lucky to sell 50M this gen, especially if they want to release next-gen early.
There's some mental gymnastics going around.
Yeah. And even as a "household name" they managed to sell astonishing 13 million of WiiU consoles and they killed that device after less then 5 years on the market.
And you know what? People didn't care in the slightest. So much for your "angry Xbox fans" theory
It's simple. If they offer attractive product with great games (and lord they have smorgasbord of games in development), nobody will care that initial plan was to release next-gen Xbox in 2028. Especially since we all know that even if Xbox-next will be out in 2026, we will be getting cross-gen games for first few years...
Kenshin775
Member
But why? Next year they will have CoD marketing rights with the game on Game Pass Day 1. Combine that with a holiday price drop for Series S and that actually seems like something that can finally gain traction among casuals.
A $200 series S with Call of Duty on Game Pass is an impulse buy kind of deal with the #1 selling game every year. If the Series S budget price + CoD combo does work then they should just hold off on next gen for a little longer.
A $200 series S with Call of Duty on Game Pass is an impulse buy kind of deal with the #1 selling game every year. If the Series S budget price + CoD combo does work then they should just hold off on next gen for a little longer.
Negotiator101
Member
Interesting idea but 2025 is probably too soon. 2026 could be a good move though, PS5 Pro is just a souped up PS5 which would look average to a full new tech next-gen console and give Microsoft an effectively 2 year headstart.
As far as being underpowered compared to the PS6, I suppose they could take a greater financial loss than normal and make it close enough given the technology is on the market anyway.
As far as being underpowered compared to the PS6, I suppose they could take a greater financial loss than normal and make it close enough given the technology is on the market anyway.
Crayon
Member
They'll never get that console sales success again and that's why they would put their money where their mouth is and not care about console sales.
They state of affairs would be much different if ms, as S SneakersSO suggested, where making games for ps. It changes the game, including being prepared to just sell games if game pass fails.
Fart Knight
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Day one
Fabieter
Member
Well it was Segas first step before going 3p so who knows.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Well, yeah, but I've been saying MS should go 3rd party for a long time.
It's the most logical thing to do.
Crayon
Member
Right. I'm realizing going third party paradoxically fits with this early "next gen". It's really the final gen. A way to start a line of consoles more suited to have in the background and not have to struggle to make tens of millions of people pick it over a playstation. Everything fits.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
With the length of cross gen we had this cycle I don't see why they don't try to make the cycle longer and keep the titles coming to last gen. It is better than a half assed pro console.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
All this is just bs talk. People buy iPhone for 1k every single year. There is zero reasons they cant make updates every 3 years. As long as the systems are backward compatible there shouldn’t be an issue. All they need to do is when ordering the chips they plan a few more years out and ensure whatever new chip comes that it has the ability to work with older code.
Zero reasons in today’s age we need to live with 7-10 year cycles for consoles.
Zero reasons in today’s age we need to live with 7-10 year cycles for consoles.
Pedro Motta
Member
We also thought console sales didn't matter.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This is the best move they can make imo.
Go to town on the next xbox make it the best it can be and capture as much of the market as possible while Sony is still on the ps5 Pro.
I'd prefer them all to launch within their own personal years and time frames. Give us something to look forward to.
Go to town on the next xbox make it the best it can be and capture as much of the market as possible while Sony is still on the ps5 Pro.
I'd prefer them all to launch within their own personal years and time frames. Give us something to look forward to.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Yay.
The same games at 120fps.
So exciting.
The same games at 120fps.
So exciting.
dotnotbot
Member
Consoles aren't phones and Sony/MS aren't Apple.
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H-I-M
Member
Rush releasing a new generation, when the general public completely rejected the current one, won't suddenly massively boost sales, instead they'll just alienate their current fanbase.
It worked with the Wii U because everyone thought it was a device for the Wii and the marketing for that console had been disatrous and misleading.
With the Xbox Series, the public had the choice between a very affordable console (S) and a very powerful on (X) yet rejected both.
So what exactly would a "next gen" console do differently to change this downwards trend for them ?
Well. That's question for Microsoft not for me.
If you ask me, I can see potential in transforming Series S style SKU in next-gen into handheld form. But that's just me.
Mephisto40
Member
Alienating your xbox series S and X users 3 years after they've bought their console, that sounds like a great idea
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Understood but console don’t cost near the cost of phones to manufacture. Hell just sell modular parts. Most game are bottlenecked at gpu now so slide in an new gpu if you want 4k/120
chilichote
Member
When it comes out in 2025, it will probably be on the same node as the PS5 Pro.
Even if they planned to cut this gen short it would not be sooner than 2026. Which means 6 years for Series X/S. Which is only one year shorter then PS4/XOne gen.
I don't understand why there is such a fuss about...
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Bernoulli
M2 slut
Consoles cost more to manufacture than phones
Mowcno
Member
The staggered release strategy just doesn't seem like an advantage to me because if you stagger then your competitor also automatically staggers. Come 2028 that new Xbox would be decimated by the PS6. Supporting your system for less time than your competitor may also result in negative PR, it's essentially an admission that the Xbox Series is a failure.
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H-I-M
Member
What in the apple to oranges is going on.
Do you even know how both markets work ? Do you even know what you're talking about ?
iPhone => smartphone, pocket computer that's used every single day by the majority of the planet and sell hundreds of millions of copy a year which makes it an "essential".
Xbox => gaming device, the average person might not even use it daily, in fact the average person isn't even buying an Xbox.
(Switch, Switch Lite, Switch Oled works because it's a small device and each family member can own one + collectible.)
FingerBang
Member
I hope it's 2026 since I dont expect a noticeable jump just one year after PS5 Pro, unless they're going for an unreasonable price
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
Grubb on his most recent podcast said that Xbox "Next" is coming in 2026 (unsure if mid-gen upgrade or entirely new generation). The disc-less Xbox Series X mid-gen update canceled
Mephisto40
Member
And here we are 3 years into the gen and were still barely getting any current gen only titles
Pushing out another machine early just seems completely pointless when we are barely even getting games solely designed for the current gen yet
Imagine how ridiculous it's going to be when developers are pushing out games that are designed for xbox one, xbox series s, xbox series X and xbox Next, because that's genuinely what we are looking at here
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Thirty7ven
Banned
What’s the point of trying to jump start a new so early when you will remain cross gen because you can’t leave Series(s) behind so early, all the biggest games are cross gen live service, the competition launched a midgen refresh that will be awkwardly close in power, and you are so far away from the competition in sales that you are effectively risking everything on a dumb move?
Is this the new hope, that somehow amidst all the bad decisions, this is the silver bullet?
Is this the new hope, that somehow amidst all the bad decisions, this is the silver bullet?
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
First, you said this...
Then just went on to explain exactly why it wouldn't work and doesn't make sense.
And this is that bubble logic that most Xbox fans seem to have. They say a thing, but its almost as if they are in a bubble because they seem to forget that what they are saying could apply to the other platform.
This could be one of those threads for the ages... I am almost tempted to start a list of all the people saying this is a great idea and how this would turn things around and all that stuff.. then necrobump this thread 2 years after the Next Xbox releases.
Ah well, at this point I can't even blame MS anymore for not knowing what the problem with Xbox is when even its fanbase doesn't seem to know what the problem is.
Hint... releasing a new console 2-3 years before the next PS console... is not going to make anything better. Nope, it actually stands to make things worse.
But that's more because you need 4-5 years to develop AAA game.
But that won't change in the future. Days when you are able to cram AAA game out every two years and create entire trilogies in one console generation are just over and are never coming back.
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Theyre in a pretty dicey situation they are getting battered in a straight-gen fight, so they might do a desperate preemptive next gen launch. The problem is the majority of studios have barely started work on next gen only games so the majority of games will be cross gen where sonys large user base will still keep it the lead platform, meaning xbox will be limited to higher settings but the pro will still look respectable in comparison and will be cheaper. By the time next box manages to launch their own next next gen exclusive games to showcase the power of the console the gen will be close to its end and sony will just announce the ps6 hyping significantly better specs to kill its momentum.
They would be banking hard on the large amount of studios they acquired to carry them but with their disorganized leadership, track record, and lack of impact by mega exclusives such as Starfield and forza its worrying times. I hope they remain competitive as a consumer but also hope this serves as a eye opener and makes them turn away from going the chelsea football club route of banking of ridiculous spending hoping to get them results.
They would be banking hard on the large amount of studios they acquired to carry them but with their disorganized leadership, track record, and lack of impact by mega exclusives such as Starfield and forza its worrying times. I hope they remain competitive as a consumer but also hope this serves as a eye opener and makes them turn away from going the chelsea football club route of banking of ridiculous spending hoping to get them results.
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Boaty McBoatface
Member
Can we have some fucking games already please
Boss Mog
Member
It would be another stupid move on MS's behalf to release a next gen in 2025/26. Sure it would probably be better than the PS5 Pro, but only for like a year or two until the PS6 comes out. MS's problem is not hardware, it's the lack of compelling exclusive software and investing too much in Gamepass which most gamers are not that interested in.
kyussman
Member
I mean,if they want to shake things up why not release early.It's about the only thing I can think of that would put them in the headlines and make people sit up and take notice in places outside of the US(do they even care about that though).I guess games would still be based around the lowest common denominator though PS5,so would it really have a major impact.They need great fucking games.