Yes its been hinted by some insiders that MS has skiped the Pro plans opting for a early newgen and a topend console as soon as 2026 and maybe even 2025 ... if its going to happen or not I dont know ... what Im trying to say is that this Ps5pro situation puts them in a good position IF they were really planning to do this as early as 2025... IF not ? Dosent matter at all.
Price and console size is also not on par with a top end PC vs a 2020 money $399 box. If you wanted to convince people there still is a “console punch above your weight factor” thanks, good job with it
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Oh I'm confident they are trying to bring it forward, the point I'm making is 2025 is pure hopium. If you have followed the logistics of designing consoles at all they basically would have had to be all in on design in 2022. Which they weren't, because thats documented. Even 2026 is pushing it if they started detailed work at the beginning of 2023.
My man you should check my post history and see if I have any bias or horses in the Xbox race... I think you will be pleasantly surprised... Im a gaming enthusiast... and Im talking only about specs and rumors and what Ifs ...because is fun.If they plan it for 2025, unless they price it a lot higher, you are setting yourself up for disappointment or over excitement over paper specs (12 TFLOPS vs 9 TFLOPS because of variable clocks all over again).
15 TFLOPS now? Loosing 2.5 TFLOPS every few days or so
We will see if it is $599 (something tells me you expect MS to massively outspec it at $400 or something
Yep, back to the pre Xbox One and XSX|S launches reality setting in expectations and definitely fair and balanced
… launched at a much much higher price, bungled first and third party support for a while, got their shit together, and with the same design managed to wow with their first party devs, got some third parties to start putting as lead console (the HW was really the direction of tech anyways, optimising for PS3 made your Xbox 360 titles better), and still won the HD twins gen beating Xbox 360?
Will I find PCMR bias? Usually with that there comes a fair bit of “PlayStation meh” attitude
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. Sorry in that case, you are not always what you type in a thread I guess.
Yeah you and I trully cant rush anything... what Ms is going to do who the fuck knows...Im really not sitting here hoping for anything from them. But based on rumors I was painting a scenario, that probably wont happen...but saying is utterly impossible ... well I leave that to you.
Dont even own a PC.. since ps4 pro and ps5 has been my only playing consoles since I gave up on MS after the one x brain fart.Will I find PCMR bias? Usually with that there comes a fair bit of “PlayStation meh” attitude
But fine… maybe I got it wrong
Yeah .. Im not talking prices here.. I was merely saying since I dont own a PC I still dont have seen this big RT miracle that would convince me its worth the perfimance trade.Price and console size is also not on par with a top end PC vs a 2020 money $399 box. If you wanted to convince people there still is a “console punch above your weight factor” thanks, good job with it
2-4x better RT performance + custom ML HW for a new AI powered up scaling solution just meh? Yes, whatever… but you are already drooling about an immaginary 2025 next Xbox and 30-40 TFLOPS (over 2x the base rate, no dual issue or anything in about 12 months sure) of performance with the same architecture and now forgetting about your top end of the line PC which was about what 80-100 TFLOPS in 2022
Yet the other system would have good RT because? It is 2-4x the RT performance in the dev docs anyways.
Maybe for the wrong reasons as people have unrealistic expectations and ideas of how progress in CPUs, GPUs, and semiconductors in general is going. If we are playing fantasy scenarios we can say “… and then Sony actually says screw it and designs a 60-70 TFLOPS PS6 for 2026 and bham gets the upper hand but the Xbox releases a 120 TFLOPS system in 2027 and in 2028 Sony releases a 240 TFLOPS one, etc…”.
Most titles on XSX and PS5 have 60 FPS and even 120 FPS modes, what are we talking about?
PS3 had the higher FLOPS count (total system performance, the CPU was used to aid in rendering on PS3).
You are assuming that they bungle things up with PS6 because of PS3’s rocky start really? Considering it was a one off thing, which eventually paid off too, and considering PS4/PSVita/PS4 Pro/PS5/PS5 Pro are all from the same team roughly designing PS6 right now… why should that happen?
They can it would just cost more money i.e Sony would have to invest more into it, looking at the specs of this one it's much more conservative than the PS4 Pro which was much more conservative than the Xbox One X, it looks like Sony was very price sensitive when building the 5 Pro. DLSS copycat for consoles is dope though.
No, I think they put the same effort and money if not a bit more in it, they just had a less bad base console CPU to work with. Technology is evolving slower and slower (the cost of each transition is also higher and higher). Not even talking about inflation either…
I dont even care about RT.. for me they could dump this gimmick until next gen in exchange for more stable and better fps
Yes.. and I would hope that the Pro would come to fix the more modern nextgen games that already are coming out without 60 fps modes... it seems that will not be the case... wich make a buy for me pointless... since I dont care about slightly better resolution and RT.
Everything is stagnating mate, that is the problem. CPU performance upgrades too. You are not going to run 200-300 Watts CPUs in consoles, effective performance increases on that side are tough, the golden era of frequent large performance jump ended a while back…
)…Then virtually 99.8% of the games are 60 FPS and will remain, be happy
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That is perfectly possible.. and thats why Im reconsidering my buying of another console to stay closed in some possible 30 fps scenarios because of "cheapness" ... with sony going more openly on the PC market and MS going full multiplat the reason to own a console is becoming more and more obsolete for me.Everything is stagnating mate, that is the problem. CPU performance upgrades too. You are not going to run 200-300 Watts CPUs in consoles, effective performance increases on that side are tough, the golden era of frequent large performance jump ended a while back…
Devs are also split thin across platforms, but they will come around. We got a bit too used to cross-gen games running on next-generation HW, but even after plenty of games have a 60 FPS mode so the sky ain’t falling yet.
You are not going to cope well when the first 30-40 FPS only next-next Xbox game that is not cross-generation comes out (by then the PS6 hype will be in full force
No chance that monster of a game will run 60fps on XSX or PS5, maybe unlocked 40FPS with performance settings with VRR at best.
I dont think the Xbox Pro was ever a thing.
RDNA3/4 chip with 52-60 CU'S on 6nm would be a disaster,it would be a big expensive HOT chip with low yields,packed into a box larger than the OG PS5 which would have a massive heat sink and fan,a 400mm chip pulling over 320 watts.
This is a very mature thing to say....
Well,,, some of us did say for a long time that the PS4pro has shown the blueprint of what to expect with the PS5pro. They were never going to upgrade both the CPU and GPU. It probably isn't even possible. But I am curious to know what you mean by paying a premium. Do you consider what is likely to be $100 more expensive than the standard PS5 a premium?
It doesn't matter, and history has always proved this. Specs/TFs is ultimately not what sells platforms.
I will suggest you take the time to find out exactly why the PS3 struggled.
This was always going to be the case. We've got some rather strongly opinionated folks over here.
DF has made their stance pretty much clear on a PS5pro since last year when it was nothing but a rumor. One that I could never understand. And still don't. Its particularly weird when you think that a new console, or PS5pro in this case actually helps them generate more content and puts more eyes on them. Which is technically the bread and butter of any video channel.
Yea for a channel that would benefit from the extra views, this video got alot fast, you would think they would be a bit more positive. I feel John would of had a more positive take. Dont particularly care in the end but it's amazing they didn't really go into the fact of how good PSSR could be espeical the fact most games are not CPU limited. DLSS is amazing and a console like equivalent, if its anywhere near as good, will do alot for the actual graphical settings of evey game as long as devs use it well. I mean if a game is 1080p on ps5 the pro could be 1080p aswell use PSSR and look very much 4k still and have that extra upto 45% better power and 2x+ raytracing will really make a difference.
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| Pipe | Modification | Result |
| FP1 | No longer has a FMA (fused multiply add) unit | Can be fed with two register file reads instead of three |
| FP2 | Only handles FP/vector stores. All math units deleted or moved to other pipes | Can be fed with a single register file read Doesn’t need a write port because stores don’t generate a result |
| FP3 | No longer exists | Doesn’t need any read or write ports |
For the most part, I enjoy DF content. Especially their performance, game tech highlights and optimized settings pieces. My issue with them is when it comes to their, opinion-based pieces. Because that is where their bias? double standards? Or maybe just ignorance shows. I don't know what to call it.
I really like DF aswell but I'm just not sure what they expect from a mid gen upgrade, the CPU is running high as it is and there was no way a new gen CPU was going to make its way into the ps5 Pro. That's for ps6. As someone who also games on a good PC and as DF have shown in some of their own videos, yes CPU utilization has not been great. I mean they give fucking Balders gate as an example that in act 3 they have a article about about how shit the CPU utilization is with hardly any scaling between CPUs. The game isn't cyberpunk, it's simply not optimised well. Most games do have a 60fps option and a few have 120fps so the odd game that is 30fps or is badly optimised is what it is. I play COD at 120fps on a 85inch tv sometimes and the resolution let's it down so a pro would help with that alot. Same for low resolution 60fps games, the resolution can be higher with better settings and maybe raytracing. Just makes a ps5 Pro a no brainer for people that care about that. I mean you tell a PC player it's not worth upgrading their GPU because a small number of games will be CPU bottlenecked. Just a strange take overall.
They weren't really but I digress. Those tests were handwavy at best, DF don't seem to understand that with a lot of those big budget games/engines they showed they're mostly designed for balance on the console and it can be bottlenecked differently at different moments.
I haven't heard anything new but your numbers are spot on to whats being mentionedYeah ... IF MS is aiming for a monster system overall as soon as 2025 ... it just became a lot more interesting... because with the Pro sony will only launch the ps6 in 2028/29... that would give MS 3 to 4 years in the market with the clear better multiplatform machine.
They just need to make everybody know what they are doing before the Pro releases... as soon as Sony officially announces the Pro ...Ms announces the Next Box and timetable for the launch.
Sony : here buy now this 15 TF machine who will give you a little better resolution and Rt perfomance will go from mediocre to just meh. While keeping the same so-so CPU For 599. Who maybe or maybe not (probably not) will play GTA 6 at 60 fps.
MS.: Wait X months and buy this monster 30 - 40 TF console and play wtf you want at 60 fps, 4k and good RT.
You know what ? Coundnt care less for the series X ... BUT... in this scenario? I would truly consider buying the next xbox...
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said its likely going to be expensive
It quadrupled resolution (more or less) it didn't actually 4x the overall performance (just like ps4pro didn't 2.3x).
This. Even inside a single frame you can have bottlenecks vary across different components.
They don't need 3rd party to showcase the potential of a speculative Next Xbox console. Microsoft own Call of Duty. All they need is a new entry in the franchise that is exclusive to the PS5 Pro and next Xbox console to convince casual gamers to upgrade.
While their reluctance to embrace the Pro last year made no sense for a tech oriented channel, their disappointment at the specs makes far more sense considering this is just a 45% upgrade for the GPU and 10% upgrade for the CPU. Way worse than the already paltry 30% upgrade for the PS4 Pro CPU and a large 125% upgrade to the GPU. And thats before the 25% IPC gains that we are NOT getting this gen. The PS4 Pro GPU was actually 5.2 GCN 1.1 tflops that put it at a near 200% or 3x GPU performance advantage over the base PS4.
I love how MS releasing a new gen is somehow going to fix the problem that that the market just doesn't care a out xbox/gamepass. How many times are people going to keep saying this? It has been the same moving goal posts since the xbox one.
Cerny isnt some god who cant make mistakes. The Father of Playstation himself created the clusterfuck that was the PS3. ken kutaragi was a certified genius and yet he fucked up. So should we not criticize him?
This is a feature I would love. But it’s not totally necessary as I once thought. Games launch pretty quickly these days, and I always save before stopping a game session.
Yeah, thats called criticism.
