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Extreme Escape Adventure: Good People Die (999 Staff, Vita/3DS) Site Opens w/ Trailer

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R_thanatos

Member
woah woah hold on ... that's what you got with 9,9,9 story ?

This isn't about a
kid playing with stock market to organize a deadly game
it was a matter of survival and getting answers. it wasn't even about revenge and
it wasn't even deadly
..

News flash : i don't go to gamefaqs..

So far people have talked about story and characters ..and you're the one calling the story hillarous and a "pastiche" of things . i agree it's nothing overly original , especially if you've read the author previous works ..but you're the one spouting nonsense ..kingdom hearts ? really ? Just as planned your explanation of this "obvious " comparaison doesn't make any sense ... your only argument is that it's silly or stupid. I'm sorry but those two games HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON. Also , did you miss the entire point of the true end ?
I bet you did seeing how you summarized the story.

It's not even about standards , it's about not comparing horses & apples .

Japanese absurdity ? Are you trying to force feed me your personnal opinion that all things japanese are silly ? Was that supposed to be a point ? Maybe you should have made a comparaison between 9,9,9 and megaman .. 2 japanese franchises ..i bet that make sense to you too .
 
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shuyin_

Banned
As i said kido, you assume too much. Please, read. Just read. I just gave an example of absurdity in the overall plot. I never said the story is about
a kid getting rich by playing the stock market and organizing the nonary game.
.

Actually, you seem unable to understand what i meant (which is funny considering it's not that hard to understand that i'm saying this game's plot is just as silly/absurd as KH's) so there's no point in explaining the same thing over and over again. Also you type like a kid and have the coherence of a kid (Just as planned your explanation of this "obvious " comparaison - wtf?)...i'd say you're the typical gamefaqs poster ;)
 
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TimeKillr

Member
shuyin_ said:
I never said the story is about
a kid getting rich by playing the stock market and organizing the nonary game.
.
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Wait, what?

Here's what you wrote in your explanation post.

shuyin_ said:
999 obviously doesn't borrow from KH in a literal sense, they are different stories after all, so no plot elements are borrowed from KH. What it borrows from KH is the abusrdity of the story:
a kid gets rich by playing the stock market and uses the money to organize a deadly game, after kidnaping various people...really?
and that's just one of the many absurd elements of the overall plot. So yes, it's a pastiche of scifi and real ideas blended in a story with the overall absurdity that a KH game has.
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What's spoilered here? Exactly what you are claiming? Oh. Okay. Carry on.

You said the plot borrowed from Kingdom Hearts. So it borrows it's "japanese silliness"? I'm sorry. Now every sci-fi movie borrows from, what, Star Wars, because it's set in space! Or every comedy borrows from, say, Animal House, because they're all silly!

Right. So what you are is someone who doesn't like japanese storytelling - that's fine, I don't doubt anybody will actually say you're not entitled to. The fact remains you are entitled to your own opinion, but your argument is still pretty bad. Show me something wholly original here. What would you compare 999's story to? It's bad compared to what? What do you consider to be a good story?
 
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shuyin_

Banned
TimeKillr said:
What's spoilered here? Exactly what you are claiming? Oh. Okay. Carry on.
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Holy shit :)) that was an example of an absurdity found in the game. Why is it that so hard to understand? It was an just example meant to illustrate that sometimes 999 is just as absurd as KH.

TimeKillr said:
Now every sci-fi movie borrows from, what, Star Wars, because it's set in space!
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Right, that's your opinion man. I disagree with it. I said i don't understand how gaffers can say 999 has a great overall plot what with the stupidity found in it (see
Santa getting rich by playing the stock market as a kid
). I reiterate: if that's your standard for a good story, it is my opinion that you have low standards ;)

TimeKillr said:
Right. So what you are is someone who doesn't like japanese storytelling - that's fine, I don't doubt anybody will actually say you're not entitled to. The fact remains you are entitled to your own opinion, but your argument is still pretty bad.
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Why is my argument bad, because you disagree with it? At the very least bring a counter-argument don't just say 'your argument is bad'. Not to mention my argument is subjective and taste related...

What would you compare 999's story to? - as i said 999 is a pastiche. It takes inspiration from cat's cradle, cube, groundhog day and some real world events.
It's bad compared to what? - it's not a bad story per se. It was enjoyable
and the fact that Akane/June/Zero was able to telepathically conact people from future alternate timelines
was pretty cool, i admit. It just seems funny how people can view such a silly story as one of the best. It's good structured, but it's also silly and improbable (and i'm not talking about the sci-fi part ;)
What do you consider to be a good story? - hmm, to me Shadow of the Colossus is one of the best stories told in this medium. Minimalist, powerful, full of symbolism. But also i can think of many other stories better than and more credible and well told than 999.
 
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R_thanatos

Member
At least you've managed to stop the KH talk ..

So let me get this straight.
shuyin_ said:
Not that it's a bad story...it's just derivative and filled with japanese absurdity. .
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TimeKillr said:
So it borrows it's "japanese silliness"?
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shuyin_ said:
Right, that's your opinion man. .
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But whatever , let's forget this because you're saying yes first and no afterwards.

Your main problem is : how santa got rich ?
I mean yeah , after getting nearly killed in some experiment and his sister dying ( almost ) , you'd think that you wouldn't spend time to at least get revenge ? What's more it was a necessary Step to save his sister and June had knowledge of the events
It was only a matter of staying low profile and planning. You claim you enjoyed the game YET after 4 posts you're unable to get over this simple explanation in the story ?


It just seems funny how people can view such a silly story as one of the best.
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In fact , you're here, telling us that despite the fact that you loved the game , the story is silly. Where in this thread people claimed tat the story was one of the best around ? Nowhere At best people were saying that it was good . And it's good enough that EVEN YOU found it enjoyable.

But here you are saying that Book A is silly because sheakspeare is better. That's what you're doing right now ..
 
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Javier

Member
I think the problem with your post is that you're dismissing the story in 999 simply because it's not grounded on reality. So what if the story is silly and improbable? That doesn't mean it can't be good. Specially if it's part of the fantasy/sci-fi genre.

I'm one of the people who considers 999 to have one of the best stories, and here's why (tagged just in case, but I'm not really giving out too much):
The game starts off giving you very vague intros and backgrounds to the characters. As you progress, you learn more about them but you also start running into several plot holes and incoherences and contradictions that only make you want to continue playing.

And then there's the point in the game where you finally realize "holy shit it all makes sense now!". Yes, you have to distance yourself from reality in order for it to be believable, but that is perfectly admissible when you're dealing with a work of FICTION.

Heck, you should check out Ever17, another visual novel VG by the same creator. It's even crazier and more incoherent, but the way everything is tied up in the end is brilliantly done.

Oh yeah, this game? HYPED.
 
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shuyin_

Banned
R_thanatos said:
Your main problem is : how santa got rich
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My main problem is how absurd it is that a 13yo (or whatever) got rich by playing the stock market and with the money he planned a revenge of almost Oldboy proportions. Yeah, totally not absurd amirite?
It's just as likely that you worm-hole travel to hollow bastion or something ;) In fact i think you may have better chances of geting to hollow bastion than a 13yo getting rich that way.

R_thanatos said:
You claim you enjoyed the game YET after 4 posts you're unable to get over this simple explanation in the story ?
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I enjoyed the game, but that doesn't mean its story is great. That's what i'm saying. I also enjoyed Kingdom Hearts, but you don't see me praising its story, do you?

R_thanatos said:
Where in this thread people claimed tat the story was one of the best around ?
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R_thanatos said:
Nowhere
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Exactly.. nowhere in this topic. My original post was regarding 999's OT where it received great praise for its story. When i saw this thread yesterday i remembered i had finished 999 some time ago and i wanted to express my feelings regarding gaf's view on the story.

@Javier: so you liked it because you were lost when the game threw paradoxes at you and when everything got tied together in the end it seemed cool? I'd say you're easily imrpessed, but hey if that's what a good story is to you... who am i to judge? To me it's still just an okish story, far from the best.
 
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R_thanatos

Member
I also enjoyed Kingdom Hearts, but you don't see me praising its story, do you?
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I enjoy rock band , but i don't see why i should say that in a 9,9,9 thread . Here i said it ... it's silly and pointless because those 2 games have nothing in common.

Putting everything in the same bag is silly and pointless, i don't expect you to talk about KH except if you compare each title in detail ( for better or worse ) .

My original post was regarding 999's OT where it received great praise for its story. When i saw this thread yesterday i remembered i had finished 999 some time ago and i wanted to express my feelings regarding gaf's view on the story.
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You should really express yourself better or choose your moments better. Here we were , talking about spoilers and characters and trailer analysis and getting hyped and you come and say " that story was silly , just like KH" ... Well congratulation ..this might seem repetitive but thank for your input .. there is some sarcasm in it but THAT WAS NEEDED ... especially when you didn't take 9,9,9 story as it is but feel the need to tell us your opinion because you've read somewhere that people were enjoying it even more than us right now .

You could have gone to the |OT| you speak of or create a " Disapointed 9,9,9 story" thread or whatever ...
 
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Javier

Member
Kingdom Hearts is an RPG. RPGs are certainly benefited of having a good story, but sometimes gameplay elements can override a bad story, so a good story isn't a must to make a decent RPG.

999 is a Visual Novel. If a Visual Novel doesn't have a good story, throw it into the garbage, because it's a failure.
 
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Akselziys

Aksys Games Dev.
Funny idea for why Clover is in the Nonary Ambidex game,
perhaps Akane wanted to throw her in it to eliminate her competition for Junpei's affections >.> <.< haha jk ;D
 
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RPG_Fanatic

Member
Akselziys said:
Funny idea for why Clover is in the Nonary Ambidex game,
perhaps Akane wanted to throw her in it to eliminate her competition for Junpei's affections >.> <.< haha jk ;D
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I would approve of this development.
Also, maybe
one of the other players would be hired to eliminate Clover through the betrayal system.
 
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GSR

Member
So did anyone ever manage to track down the article in full? The best I found was a cam shot that had new art for
Clover
and
Alice
.
 
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Akselziys

Aksys Games Dev.
GSR said:
So did anyone ever manage to track down the article in full? The best I found was a cam shot that had new art for
Clover
and
Alice
.
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That scan and art was quite smexy :3
 
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Akselziys

Aksys Games Dev.
GSR said:
Perhaps, but I'd like to see the new art of the other characters as well.
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I tried to buy a copy of Famitsu today, but they only had the previous week's issue in >.<

Hopefully I can get my hands on a copy soon, so I can scan it
and post about it on Twitter XD;
:D
 
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GSR

Member
Akselziys said:
I tried to buy a copy of Famitsu today, but they only had the previous week's issue in >.<

Hopefully I can get my hands on a copy soon, so I can scan it
and post about it on Twitter XD;
:D
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Well hopefully you can get ahold of it soon, some of us have character art to obsess over.
 
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Thoraxes

Member
Phi (Chiaki Omigawa)
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All the new news in this thread that I missed!

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Looks like i'll import the Vita version (because of Chiaki Omigawa), and then buy 3DS when/if it gets localized so my mom can play it (because she totally loved 999 and doesn't own a 3DS nor understand any Japanese).
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
It seems it is coming in February. Source: Famitsu, through Hokanko's site.
 
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Hylian7

Member
We need to get an accurate translator on that page. The shitty Google Translator really doesn't cut it.

Is Clover a gynecologist now or is the Google translation just shitty?
 
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Akselziys

Aksys Games Dev.
Small translated summary of the last part of the Famitsu interview courtesy of S-chan~

"Although the world between Uchikoshi and [999] are the same, we'd like you to think of them as basically being two separate stories. The 999 incident had occurred. And now, the new [Zen death] incident had occurred...something like that. Like in mystery novels, the detective and Watson characters are wrapped up in completely different incidents, but it's something like that. So, we believe [Zen death] can be enjoyed by those who haven't played the previous game. But even so, it isn't true that it isn't completely unconnected with [999]. In very important points, the game will mention [999], and we believe those who have played the previous game will enjoy this one even further."
 
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Erigu

Member
Hylian7 said:
Is Clover a gynecologist now or is the Google translation just shitty?
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Luna is a doctor, and the FamiTsû article switched those two characters' screenshots.
 
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GSR

Member
Akselziys said:
Small translated summary of the last part of the Famitsu interview courtesy of S-chan~

"Although the world between Uchikoshi and [999] are the same, we'd like you to think of them as basically being two separate stories. The 999 incident had occurred. And now, the new [Zen death] incident had occurred...something like that. Like in mystery novels, the detective and Watson characters are wrapped up in completely different incidents, but it's something like that. So, we believe [Zen death] can be enjoyed by those who haven't played the previous game. But even so, it isn't true that it isn't completely unconnected with [999]. In very important points, the game will mention [999], and we believe those who have played the previous game will enjoy this one even further."
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Always good to see translations that match what I thought it said. This kind of fits in with what I expected; what we've seen definitely indicates connections to 999, a sequel wholly grounded in the first game's story seemed unlikely (and unwieldy).
 
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Akselziys

Aksys Games Dev.
Hylian7 said:
So Luna is the one that looks like
Akane
? Which name is Clover's then?
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Like Erigu said, it's Yotsuba, which was also Clover's name in the Japanese version
so no new aliases for her XD Same with a certain someone else haha
 
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R_thanatos

Member
Akselziys said:
Small translated summary of the last part of the Famitsu interview courtesy of S-chan~

"Although the world between Uchikoshi and [999] are the same, we'd like you to think of them as basically being two separate stories. The 999 incident had occurred. And now, the new [Zen death] incident had occurred...something like that. Like in mystery novels, the detective and Watson characters are wrapped up in completely different incidents, but it's something like that. So, we believe [Zen death] can be enjoyed by those who haven't played the previous game. But even so, it isn't true that it isn't completely unconnected with [999]. In very important points, the game will mention [999], and we believe those who have played the previous game will enjoy this one even further."
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This is exactly what iwant
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/11/0...od-people-die-had-many-many-different-titles/

A Famitsu interview with director Kotaro Uchikoshi reveals many interesting details about the upcoming Extreme Escape Adventure: Good People Die, slated for release on Feb 16 for the Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation Vita.



The game is stuffed chock full of puzzles, Uchikoshi says. Sometimes, solving these may unlock hidden aspects of a room. For example, if you solve puzzle A, and then B and C, the room’s appearance may suddenly change completely, and you might find a surprise waiting for you. However, beginners need not be daunted; if you challenge and fail a puzzle too many times, your companions will drop hints (and the clear, precise way to solve the puzzle). If you don’t want to use this option, just play the game on Hard mode. In addition, beating the game on Hard nets you a nice prize.



As a whole, the “game” (meaning, the game within Extreme Escape Adventure) is called the Nonary Game: Ambidex Version. This is because you approach colored doors, undergo the Ambidex (AB) game, and open the door labeled “9” to escape. The AB game — the game of cooperation and betrayal — is a game in and of itself contained within the Nonary Game: AB Version. The AB game plays in rounds until someone can open the “9” door.



Speaking of the Nonary Game, Extreme Escape Adventure shares the same world as 999, but but the story is self-contained. There are some references to the previous game, though, so it’s best to play 999 first. Some of these precise connections are mentioned in our previous coverage (spoilers abound).





How does the AB game work? It’s explained here in this article, but here it is again. Each player in the game has a bangle attached to them, with BP, which presumably stands for bangle (or bracelet) points. Like in 999, you travel in pairs, and can cooperate with or betray your partner.



AB rooms have a voting machine set up within them, and each pair of participants must make a choice within a time limit. Do you “cooperate” or “betray”? Each choice you choose unlocks a different scenario and, depending on different situations, you’ll see different stories unfold. The key is to get more than 9BP so you can open the door to escape. On the other hand, if your points fall below 0, you’ll get injected with poison from your bangle and die.



The different combinations like this: (The point changes affect both players.)

- If you choose to cooperate and the opponent chooses to cooperate, +2BP.
- If you choose to cooperate and the opponent chooses to betray, -2BP.
- If you choose to betray and the opponent chooses to cooperate, +3BP.
- If you choose to betray and the opponent chooses to betray, -0BP.





What is a possible dilemma? Uchikoshi gives the following example:



“What if both players have only 1 BP left? The opponent would invite you to cooperate with him and then both of you would get 2BP. Should you cooperate, trusting those words? However, if the opponent chooses to betray you, then your BP will go “1 – 2 = -1” and you’d die. Then, would the safe route be to betray? But if you do that and the opponent really was planning to cooperate, then his BP will go “1 – 2 = -1” and you’ll end up killing that person.”



Uchikoshi also dropped some trivia about the game’s title. Originally, there were three names that made it to the final cut: Uragiri x Girigiri [Betrayal x Just Barely], Want to be Saved? Then Die, and Good People Die. In the end, the proponents of each wouldn’t give in, so ultimately, the title was chosen using rock-paper-scissors.



Some other names that were dropped included “Sigma Control,” “Lost Escape,” “Contagious Distrust,” “Escargo,” “Human-mode Killer,” “Nine Mice Bite the Cat,” and “Sigma and Phi and Tenmyouji and Quark and Alice and Yotsuba and Dio and Luna and K are All Trapped in Weird Place! Oh No!” There were apparently many, many more that aren’t mentioned.



The final chosen name in Japanese, Zennin Shibou Desu, also contains a pun. “Shibou” can mean “to hope,” which would transform the meaning behind the original title into “We hope for everyone to become a good person.”
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Famassu

Member
It's kinda sad how there will be quite a lot of 3DS releases within the next 6 months, but there's no telling how many of them will non-Japanese be able to play any time soon, if ever (especially Europeans)? Games like Beyond the Labyrinth, Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime 3, Inazuma Eleven Go, Monster Hunter 3G, Rhythm Kaitou R and Extreme Escape Adventure. Tri-Ace's games haven't always made it to Europe and prequels to Rocket Slime & Extreme Escape Adventure never did. Inazuma Eleven 1 did, but I'm not sure if Nintendo will bring any more of them to Europe.
 
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Akselziys

Aksys Games Dev.
The character art is awesome *_*

Qualk is pretty sweet looking haha

And DAT ALICE <3

Also, the voices are pretty awesome :3
 
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RyougaSaotome

Member
If anyone has images they want put up, just ask me, I buy Famitsu weekly. I don't have a scanner, but I can take HQ photos when requested.
 
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Akselziys

Aksys Games Dev.
RyougaSaotome said:
If anyone has images they want put up, just ask me, I buy Famitsu weekly. I don't have a scanner, but I can take HQ photos when requested.
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Unfortunately scans and/or "scans" aren't allowed here XD;
 
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Thoraxes

Member
RyougaSaotome said:
If anyone has images they want put up, just ask me, I buy Famitsu weekly. I don't have a scanner, but I can take HQ photos when requested.
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Just an FYI, pictures of the magazine/scans aren't allowed on here. I recognize your good intentions though, and do appreciate them.
 
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