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[Freezie KO]

I see a lot of value in these old games. Sure, as a consumer, I'd love the prices to be as low as possible, but I certainly think they're fair.

I wouldn't think that if Nintendo expected us to buy digital copies for both handheld and console though.

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

I don't suppose that there's any word on being able to transfer already purchased Wii VC games onto the 3DS from JGAF? (I'm fully expecting the answer to be no)

 

[Chopper]

I don't suppose that there's any word on being able to transfer already purchased Wii VC games onto the 3DS from JGAF? (I'm fully expecting the answer to be no)

No. But this should totally happen.

 

[Cartman86]

I don't understand why. Paying for a game once and being able to play it on multiple devices is something very new to this generation and by no means should become an expectation.

It's a bit of a privilege more than a right. Every since the dawn of gaming if there was a game on multiple platforms and I wanted to play it on multiple platforms I had to buy the game for each platform.

We're in a different era now where downloadable titles have removed the problem of physical media changing every generation. Of course my expectation is going to change. I expect Nintendo to make an emulator (Virtual Console) and sell it to me as part of the console price. With music we went through years of re-buying content. Sometimes the quality was better, sometimes it wasn't. We didn't really have a choice. I don't know about you, but with digital music I don't think i'll ever buy duplicates of songs again.

Assuming we are talking about emulations and not new versions of games with extra content in the past I suppose a developer would have to charge you for the physical media, marketing, shelf space, and the time it took to emulate the single game (sharing code for other roms would be smart), but does that apply anymore?

 

[Jintor]

What's your feelings on Dolphin, then? It's being discussed openly on this very forum. Do you really think most people are ripping their own games (the requirements for doing so are a bit crazy)? Even if they were, the argument is the same.

They're not that crazy. If you're prepared to fiddle enough to get Dolphin running, you're more than likely prepared to fiddle to get a WiiRipper running on your Wii.

 

[VOOK]

Did another video showing off the updated NES VC game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoKFTW5XiGQ

 

[Doomboy]

Spotpass downloaded an update for my English 3DS, but after installing no obvious changes appear to have been made yet. Perhaps they are preparing for the NES updates?

The updated NES games are not yet up on the UK store though.

 

[dark10x]

If the successor versions are bad, why don't you just game with the original handhelds/consoles?

Well, the original hardware isn't great either. I have a GBA (original), DS Lite, Gameboy Player, and now the 3DS for these games. The original GBA is unusable today, the DS Lite does pretty well, the GB Player sucks (improper scaling and performance issues), and the 3DS isn't too hot either. I'm on vacation now and have only my 3DS and PSP on hand anyways.

Was counting on the 3DS versions at least allowing sleep mode. The PSP allows sleep mode and save states (a nice bonus) making them more playable. Using the original hardware without sleep mode is actually kind of difficult with the way I'm playing these games now. Having to exit back to the 3DS menu everytime I'm finished with a game is quite irritating.

That said, I am a a HUGE retro collector and typically DO believe playing games on original hardware. I have all of my old consoles running SCART -> component on a Sony SDTV providing an arcade quality image. It's the best way to play. With handhelds, however, that's a bit different. I have all sorts of old handhelds sitting around (even an Atari Lynx) for fun, but if I really want to play one of those games, I use my PSP. Sleep mode + saving is a huge deal. Furthermore, the screen quality on those old handhelds is VERY poor by today's standards. The Game Gear and Lynx are just awful to use while the original GBA is impossible to see. Even the GBAsp is pretty shit with an ugly side lit LCD and a slow response time. The PSP3000 screen is better than just about every other handheld system and is great for emulation. It's also much more viable to carry only one handheld around. I'm in Europe right now so carrying all of those systems would be impossible and expensive (batteries).

They're not that crazy. If you're prepared to fiddle enough to get Dolphin running, you're more than likely prepared to fiddle to get a WiiRipper running on your Wii.

Regardless, it's no different from playing GBA games on your PSP.

 

[marc^o^]

Main advantage of having GBA games on 3DS is games are on 3DS, just next to Mario Land, Pullblox or Zen Pinball.

 

[BGBW]

Did another video showing off the updated NES VC game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoKFTW5XiGQ

New icon is awesome. The use of a TV is a clever way to integrate a screenshot.

Also thank God for that new sound.

Regardless, it's no different from playing GBA games on your PSP.

IT IS A SIN TO PLAY NINTENDO SOFTWARE ON A SONY SYSTEM. YOU SHOULD HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!!!

 

[Desiato]

So the update only has the single save state function, that if you load it, it's gone? There go my hopes of ever finishing Zelda II... Goddamn final palace.

 

[Madao]

what's this about GBA games not having sleep mode on 3DS? when i close the system, it shuts the screen and speakers off.

of do people mean sleep mode with 3DS's functions like streetpass active?

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

what's this about GBA games not having sleep mode on 3DS? when i close the system, it shuts the screen and speakers off.

of do people mean sleep mode with 3DS's functions like streetpass active?

The game does not pause when you close the 3DS. It shuts the screen and sound off, but the game continues to run (and it also continues to drain significant amounts of battery life)

The GBA games that supported Sleep mode originally though (the one that you manually activate with that button combo to wake up) still do so, but you have to manually activate them in game.

 

[Madao]

i see what you mean. i closed it while on pause so i didn't notice.

 

[UncleSporky]

So the update only has the single save state function, that if you load it, it's gone? There go my hopes of ever finishing Zelda II... Goddamn final palace.

If it's like other 3DS VC games, no, it's a real save state that you can load as much as you want.

 

[m.i.s.]

I don't suppose that there's any word on being able to transfer already purchased Wii VC games onto the 3DS from JGAF? (I'm fully expecting the answer to be no)

That just isn't going to happen from Nintendo.

Why do you think they're prepping S/NES 3D classics? It's so that they can sell you the same game - sufficiently different (by virtue of it being 3D) - you own on Wii again for their handheld.

It's like people don't know Nintendo's business practices at all!

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

That just isn't going to happen from Nintendo.

Why do you think they're prepping S/NES 3D classics? It's so that they can sell you the same game - sufficiently different (by virtue of it being 3D) - you own on Wii again for their handheld.

It's like people don't know Nintendo's business practices at all!

3D Classics ≠ Virtual Console. I didn't think they'd do it, but there was at least a slim chance of it happening.

 

[Desiato]

If it's like other 3DS VC games, no, it's a real save state that you can load as much as you want.

Ah phew, good news.

 

[plagiarize]

If it's like other 3DS VC games, no, it's a real save state that you can load as much as you want.

and as a result i will go back and finish metroid. i can do it without save states, but farming health and shields and missiles is such a goddamn pain when/if mother brain kills you. if i can save a single state with that shit *done* i will gladly beat her again.

 

[jwhit28]

Do the manuals that come with VC games include the little bits of story and pictures from the original manuals?

 

[darkjedi187]

So the ambassador games are coming out for general release. Yay!

 

[DukeTogo1300]

Wow, I love the CRT/Famicom icon for the updated Japanese VC Legend of Zelda. Please give us that too N.

Well, the original hardware isn't great either. I have a GBA (original), DS Lite, Gameboy Player, and now the 3DS for these games. The original GBA is unusable today, the DS Lite does pretty well, the GB Player sucks (improper scaling and performance issues), and the 3DS isn't too hot either. I'm on vacation now and have only my 3DS and PSP on hand anyways.

Was counting on the 3DS versions at least allowing sleep mode. The PSP allows sleep mode and save states (a nice bonus) making them more playable. Using the original hardware without sleep mode is actually kind of difficult with the way I'm playing these games now. Having to exit back to the 3DS menu everytime I'm finished with a game is quite irritating.

That said, I am a a HUGE retro collector and typically DO believe playing games on original hardware. I have all of my old consoles running SCART -> component on a Sony SDTV providing an arcade quality image. It's the best way to play. With handhelds, however, that's a bit different. I have all sorts of old handhelds sitting around (even an Atari Lynx) for fun, but if I really want to play one of those games, I use my PSP. Sleep mode + saving is a huge deal. Furthermore, the screen quality on those old handhelds is VERY poor by today's standards. The Game Gear and Lynx are just awful to use while the original GBA is impossible to see. Even the GBAsp is pretty shit with an ugly side lit LCD and a slow response time. The PSP3000 screen is better than just about every other handheld system and is great for emulation. It's also much more viable to carry only one handheld around. I'm in Europe right now so carrying all of those systems would be impossible and expensive (batteries).

I hear you on only having to carry around one handheld. I also can't stand how bulky my bag-o-gba carts is compared to my 3DS/DS cart case.

On the GBA though, the backlit SP (AGS-101) has a totally acceptable screen brightness, and destroys the side-lit SP. The PSP buttons and colors are better, sure, but the SP is still quite comfortable to play (the only clicky d-pad + buttons I've ever liked). Add to that zero problems running GBA games and the native screen resolution and I might have to give the edge to the AGS-101 SP. I do hate the single mono speaker and need of an additional accessory just to plug in headphones (and it plugs into the power port no less, Nintendo kill yourself!).

 

[dark10x]

On the GBA though, the backlit SP (AGS-101) has a totally acceptable screen brightness, and destroys the side-lit SP. The PSP buttons and colors are better, sure, but the SP is still quite comfortable to play (the only clicky d-pad + buttons I've ever liked). Add to that zero problems running GBA games and the native screen resolution and I might have to give the edge to the AGS-101 SP. I do hate the single mono speaker and need of an additional accessory just to plug in headphones (and it plugs into the power port no less, Nintendo kill yourself!).

Oh yeah? I have never seen one of those in person. I might have to hunt one down, actually. I have so many variations of the original Gameboy but only an original GBA. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[mentalfloss]

Fire Emblem is the most addictive thing I've ever played.

 

[zigg]

On the GBA though, the backlit SP (AGS-101) has a totally acceptable screen brightness, and destroys the side-lit SP.

I love mine too, but it's got increased motion blur over the original GBA. It's generally not a problem for GBA games, but GB/C games are something else... when the screen scrolls in a Zelda, for example, Link looks like he's walking through a dream or something.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

If the products they delivered were better I wouldn't need to resort to these sketchy alternatives. Still, I feel it is decidedly less sketchy when you own multiple versions of a game.

I cannot buy the game on PSP, of course, so I'll happily make a copy of a game I own and play that instead.

What's your feelings on Dolphin, then? It's being discussed openly on this very forum. Do you really think most people are ripping their own games (the requirements for doing so are a bit crazy)? Even if they were, the argument is the same.

I don't think Nintendo is going to waste time going after people playing games they already own on other platforms. It could be considered illegal, but it's not worth fighting these people as they are still buying their software. They aren't losing money when I play a game on my PSP.

This entire post reads like "This company didn't do what I want so I just stole their stuff because I decided they didn't deserve my money."

It's almost as if you're dancing around the issue. As if you you know it's illegal but you keep trying to justify it anyway.

S. M. H.

 

[DukeTogo1300]

Oh yeah? I have never seen one of those in person. I might have to hunt one down, actually. I have so many variations of the original Gameboy but only an original GBA. Thanks for the heads up!

The brightness isn't quite as good as the PSP, but it really is quite close, and it is brighter than the GBA titles on the 3DS. I'm sure you know what a back-lit screen looks like, so you can imagine the improvement. The main thing people mention coming from the first SP is the lack of blue glow the side-lighting created. One thing though, those that preferred playing in sunlight with no SP lighting at all hated the AGS-101, because the on/off lighting switch is now used for bright/dim. No more turning off the lighting.

I love mine too, but it's got increased motion blur over the original GBA. It's generally not a problem for GBA games, but GB/C games are something else... when the screen scrolls in a Zelda, for example, Link looks like he's walking through a dream or something.

I just did a comparison with Metroid Fusion on all three handhelds. The 3DS has the worst ghosting, far more obvious. The AGS-101 and PSP are about exactly the same, I really cannot tell them apart. It isn't an amount of ghosting I would've noticed without it being pointed out to me, but I honestly don't think it looks that bad (curious about the GB/GBC carts now though). With the 3DS GBA titles I noticed the ghosting immediately, it's gross.

Damn, I have played through the beginning of Fusion so many times these last couple of days. They just yammer on and on, as cool as it is.

This entire post reads like "This company didn't do what I want so I just stole their stuff because I decided they didn't deserve my money."

It's almost as if you're dancing around the issue. As if you you know it's illegal but you keep trying to justify it anyway.

S. M. H.

That isn't what he's saying at all. He's talking about the hardware in your first bolded statement, which he bought and paid for, along with the game. How does that correlate with 'stealing their stuff' and 'them not deserving his money'? He even owns the hardware Nintendo would prefer he play it on for frick's sake, meaning the 3DS. No competition from his old GBA, DS Lite, or shoddy emulation, nope, Nintendo has mined him out completely as far as these 10 GBA titles go.

It is a matter of Terms of Use, not theft, not morality. There's nothing he needs to really justify here, the risk is his alone.

 

[Omegasquash]

That just isn't going to happen from Nintendo.

Why do you think they're prepping S/NES 3D classics? It's so that they can sell you the same game - sufficiently different (by virtue of it being 3D) - you own on Wii again for their handheld.

It's like people don't know Nintendo's business practices at all!

Pretty much this. While unfortunate, it's true and something of a clever little money grab from Nintendo. The best solution in this case is, if you don't want to shell out the extra dough, don't buy it, and play the copy you already have. If they're not going to be cool about it, then don't give them your money.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

That isn't what he's saying at all. He's talking about the hardware in your first bolded statement, which he bought and paid for, along with the game. How does that correlate with 'stealing their stuff' and 'them not deserving his money'? He even owns the hardware Nintendo would prefer he play it on for frick's sake, meaning the 3DS. No competition from his old GBA, DS Lite, or shoddy emulation, nope, Nintendo has mined him out completely as far as these 10 GBA titles go.

It is a matter of Terms of Use, not theft, not morality. There's nothing he needs to really justify here, the risk is his alone.

Unfortunately I can't argue the point further because I've seen people banned over it, so I guess I'll just have to leave it here.

 

[plagiarize]

Unfortunately I can't argue the point further because I've seen people banned over it, so I guess I'll just have to leave it here.

here on GAF emulation is accepted as fine, so long as you actually own the original game in question. i bought Skywards Sword, ripped it with my Wii and played it on my PC with my Nintendo Wii Remote, Nunchuck and Wii Motion Plus. i see nothing wrong there.

i see nothing wrong with Dark playing games he's bought on any of the hardware he owns. he hasn't stolen anything by any sane definition of the term. i'm glad you're dropping it, but i hope you realise just WHY people have been banned for attacking people over what GAF considers legal emulation.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

here on GAF emulation is accepted as fine, so long as you actually own the original game in question. i bought Skywards Sword, ripped it with my Wii and played it on my PC with my Nintendo Wii Remote, Nunchuck and Wii Motion Plus. i see nothing wrong there.

i see nothing wrong with Dark playing games he's bought on any of the hardware he owns. he hasn't stolen anything by any sane definition of the term. i'm glad you're dropping it, but i hope you realise just WHY people have been banned for attacking people over what GAF considers legal emulation.

While I have no hard data to prove it, the bigger issue is that for every person that is approaching it in the way you're saying, there's likely a thousand more that are just outright pirating it.

But I have no way to prove that, so its my word against yours at that point.

 

[diffusionx]

While I have no hard data to prove it, the bigger issue is that for every person that is approaching it in the way you're saying, there's likely a thousand more that are just outright pirating it.

But I have no way to prove that, so its my word against yours at that point.

That's true, but it's not like dark10x or whomever is advocating this.

 

[Phonomezer]

Anyone know if 'sleep mode' is going to be patched to work with these games?

I'd like to get further in Fire Emblem, but I mainly do my handheld gaming while commuting, so it makes things difficult.

 

[plagiarize]

While I have no hard data to prove it, the bigger issue is that for every person that is approaching it in the way you're saying, there's likely a thousand more that are just outright pirating it.

But I have no way to prove that, so its my word against yours at that point.

that's a completely seperate issue. what you've done is sort of like having a go at someone for LEGALLY downloading a game because loads of people illegally download them.

 

[Roto13]

This is one of those cases where the saying "Don't like what what X company is doing? Well then don't buy it" is actually going to be followed by a lot of people. I already don't buy Virtual Console games because of the price, but if I have to buy them twice I'm even less likely. If Zelda for NES was a dollar I would buy it in an instant. I would do that with a lot of games.

NES: $1-2
SNES/GB: $3-4
N64/GBA: $4-5

You would see random impulse buys all the time.

I'd buy every single game if they were one cent each.

 

[Emitan]

This entire post reads like "This company didn't do what I want so I just stole their stuff because I decided they didn't deserve my money."

It's almost as if you're dancing around the issue. As if you you know it's illegal but you keep trying to justify it anyway.

S. M. H.

He stole games he already owns? An impressive feat.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

He stole games he already owns? An impressive feat.

I wasn't aware he paid for the license to use the games digitally on the PSP.

Edit: I wanna ask a rhetorical question here.

If I buy a DVD, do you believe I'm in my right to download a High Definition version of it from the internet? After all, I bought the movie, what's the difference?

 

[Emitan]

Are you upset when someone uses WINE to run Windows apps on Linux? THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR A LINUX LICENCE!!!

EDIT: No. That would be downloading an entirely different product. Not the same at all.

 

[levious]

well that's a different release, high def versus standard def. Maybe ask, if you buy a game on the PS3, is it okay to pirate the 360 version?

 

[AbsoluteZero]

well that's a different release, high def versus standard def. Maybe ask, if you buy a game on the PS3, is it okay to pirate the 360 version?

Then by that logic, if you're buying a GBA game, the only place you should be able to play is on the GBA. A PSP version would be a different release, but it doesn't exist here.

 

[frankie_baby]

oooh nintendo letter box

 

[plagiarize]

I wasn't aware he paid for the license to use the games digitally on the PSP.

Edit: I wanna ask a rhetorical question here.

If I buy a DVD, do you believe I'm in my right to download a High Definition version of it from the internet? After all, I bought the movie, what's the difference?

well that's not an equivalent comparison, since he isn't playing the GBA games in high defintion on his PSP.

was i able to play Zelda in higher resolution on my PC than i could my Wii? yes. but i didn't download anything from the internet to do it.

what you're talking about is more akin to saying 'i bought the PS3 version of game X, so why can't i download the PC or 360 version... what's the difference?'

well the difference is that's a different version of the game, or the film. that's not what's going on with GBA emulation. he's playing the same version of the same game, he's just doing it on a different piece of hardware.

i think it's generally considered here that if you own the GBA version of a game, that you own that version of the game, and should be free to play it on whatever hardware supports it, either officially or unofficially. it doesn't entitle you to playing EVERY version of the game, just that one.

you bought the DVD version. you are entitled to play it in your expensive oppo Blu-Ray player that does a fantastic job of upscaling it to HD, on your linux PC (using reverse engineered DVD playback) or in a regular DVD player, but you aren't entitled to an HD tv rip or a blu-ray rip.

Then by that logic, if you're buying a GBA game, the only place you should be able to play is on the GBA. A PSP version would be a different release, but it doesn't exist here.

erm. no. that doesn't logically follow. a PSP port would be a different release. running the GBA version on PSP with an emulator is playing the GBA release.

 

[Emitan]

well that's not an equivalent comparison, since he isn't playing the GBA games in high defintion on his PSP.

was i able to play Zelda in higher resolution on my PC than i could my Wii? yes. but i didn't download anything from the internet to do it.

what you're talking about is more akin to saying 'i bought the PS3 version of game X, so why can't i download the PC or 360 version... what's the difference?'

well the difference is that's a different version of the game, or the film. that's not what's going on with GBA emulation. he's playing the same version of the same game, he's just doing it on a different piece of hardware.

i think it's generally considered here that if you own the GBA version of a game, that you own that version of the game, and should be free to play it on whatever hardware supports it, either officially or unofficially. it doesn't entitle you to playing EVERY version of the game, just that one.

you bought the DVD version. you are entitled to play it in your expensive oppo Blu-Ray player that does a fantastic job of upscaling it to HD, on your linux PC (using reverse engineered DVD playback) or in a regular DVD player, but you aren't entitled to an HD tv rip or a blu-ray rip.


erm. no. that doesn't logically follow. a PSP port would be a different release. running the GBA version on PSP with an emulator is playing the GBA release.

It's the difference between playing the GBA verison of Riviera in an emulator on a PSP and pirating the PSP release.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

This seems to be a massive amount of semantics and we'll never see eye to eye so I'm just gonna drop it.

 

[M3d10n]

This whole talk about what Nintendo should/shouldn't offer in the of the 3DS GBA games is pointless until these games show up for sale in the eShop. The NES Zelda just got released officially in the Japanese eShop and it got updated with a proper manual and save states like the other retail VC games.

If/when Nintendo releases the GBA games for sale, they are likely to offer a better experience and options. Right now this is a free beta test.

 

[DukeTogo1300]

I wasn't aware he paid for the license to use the games digitally on the PSP.

This again?

This seems to be a massive amount of semantics and we'll never see eye to eye so I'm just gonna drop it.

I thought you already did. Calling them 'semantics' sounds rather dismissive to me. You're kind of just mushing everything together.

 

[DarthWoo]

This thread is a bit long and I didn't see any mention of it on the front page, but does anyone know if we'll be able to get coins for these in the same manner as the NES games?

 

[AbsoluteZero]

This again?

I thought you already did. Calling them 'semantics' sounds rather dismissive to me. You're kind of just mushing everything together.

I tried to, but there's nothing quite like being told "you're wrong" on the internet.

 

[Roto13]

This thread is a bit long and I didn't see any mention of it on the front page, but does anyone know if we'll be able to get coins for these in the same manner as the NES games?

That's what they said, months ago. I guess we'll find out for sure tomorrow.

 

[nincompoop]

I wasn't aware he paid for the license to use the games digitally on the PSP.

Edit: I wanna ask a rhetorical question here.

If I buy a DVD, do you believe I'm in my right to download a High Definition version of it from the internet? After all, I bought the movie, what's the difference?

No, I believe you have the right to put the DVD in your computer, rip it to an .avi, and play it on your PSP even though your PSP doesn't have a DVD drive. Which is essentially what Dark is doing except with GBA games.