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Sony's 1st and 2nd party studios have expanded a lot since last gen
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Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I don't play online, and can't say I'm really interested in modern FPS games, to be honest. I enjoyed Duke Nukem Forever, but that's about it. I lean more towards old FPS games like Duke 3D, Rise of the Triad, Blood and that kind of thing, and that style of FPS games is pretty much dead nowadays besides Serious Sam 3, which I haven't had the chance to play yet.
You should stop calling games you haven't played shite.
It's a console FPS and not Medievil 3, so it's shite by definition
StealthGoblin
Banned
Pixeljunk. . . crap? Wut.
I'd like to see the deal extended too. Sony give them time, space, money and creative freedom - and all the help from Sony's studios they desire. I doubt they'd get that level of awesomeness anywhere else. If they are funded by Sony. . .they technically don't have to worry about balancing the books.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
It basically boils down to the install base. When you look at Xbox's install base last gen, it would have been pointless for Microsoft to even go after these games. The situation is completely different now with the Xbox 360, as the third-party developers cannot ignore the platform. Sony already mentioned earlier that they won't go after third-party games, and would rather prefer to build their first-party portfolio.
What the hell are you talking about?
Why anyone needs them? Because they are great games and each game sold ~4 or 5 Mio. copies.
If you are not a fan, no problem.
But a lot of gamers love these games.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Didn't inFamous 2 sell.. not all that great?
Sony owns the Resistance and Ratchet & Clank IPs, so it's not like they really need Insomniac anyway. If they want a Resistance 4 or more R&C, they could have one of their first party studios make the games.
I don't play online, and can't say I'm really interested in modern FPS games, to be honest. I enjoyed Duke Nukem Forever, but that's about it. I lean more towards old FPS games like Duke 3D, Rise of the Triad, Blood and that kind of thing, and that style of FPS games is pretty much dead nowadays besides Serious Sam 3, which I haven't had the chance to play yet.
It's a console FPS and not Medievil 3, so it's shite by definition
Resistance 3 is kinda old fps with health packs and a lot of different weapons you can carry with,
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Can you circle strafe enemies like in, say, Duke 3D? And do you have to rely on taking cover during firefights?
It seems they already shipped their first game: Metal Gear Solid HD Collection. They're currently working on a game for Capcom as well. I'm not aware that there's a deal with Sony, nor do they seem to be in any way Sony exclusive.
thehypocrite
Member
it's an investment, we need to understand that they will get better as time goes by or they will get shuttered, however talent and quality aren't the only things that make a game have success.
Sony is creating an ecosystem from which they get the exclusive content in-house, motivated by the death of 3rd party exclusives, is a strategy that they have short term and long term goals. I'm more optimistic for them to achieve the level of quality and sucess with most of the studios, as they produce more games and get better insight of the market they are catering to.
Nah, it did better than the first and sold nearly 4 Mio. copies worldwide now (if I remember correctly. Tried to find a link, but couldn't :-/ )
What did they do on MGS HD?
It appears the Capcom game was canned, and they aren't 'exclusive' to Sony, but the Sony published game (or games) is (or are).
StealthGoblin
Banned
They aren't Sony exclusive - but they are working on PS3 and Vita projects. I believe the Capcom project was canned and the only projects appearing in CV's as works in progress are the PlayStation projects.
1 - Dunno
2 - Depends. Their are certain weapons where enimes can shoot through walls so cover is useless, you need to run and gun.
The weapons is what makes the game great. Different weapons allow you to tackle the situation differently.
i dont think this game is like serious sam or duke,but it also is not like the genreal modern shooters like kz, cod and all
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Really? That's not bad at all. I just remember USGAF talking about both inFamous 2 and Resistance 3 completely bombing in terms of sales.
I can't find any platform references on any profile anymore - except for "multi platform".
Exactly, building a good 1st party portfolio is good for the long term. 3rd party exclusives, could be broken easily as shown with FFXIII, DMC and Monster Hunter. So games like Gears of War have the potential to go multiplatform, where as a game like Uncharted will always be exclusive. And yes many games are average, or are flops like Heavenly Sword, but it is good that Sony are experimenting, even the average games can improve with more experience, for example, people starting noticing Uncharted with the 2nd entry.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Linky.
That PSN project could be for PS3, Vita or PlayStation Suite. Given that they could have just mentioned Vita instead, I think its likely that this is a PS3 PSN game.
Maybe its a PSN-Vita cross compatible game, like Ruin.
How did I miss that? Anyway, the games they did so far aren't exactly mind-blowing, all they did was helping out on ports (Halo and MGS). Not sure what to expect from them.
StealthGoblin
Banned
When you consider that the studio contains a lot of former Retro Studios employees (and by a lot I mean. . .a lot), I think something great could come out of it. I'm sure someone has better stats than I as to the make-up of the development team.
How many and who ? Or is this just an assumption because it was started by two former Retro/NOA employees.
I feel like this is bullshit. Can anyone verify this?
StealthGoblin
Banned
If I remember correctly, there has been a massive exodus from Armature Studios. Nirolak made an informative post about just how many scarpered. A lot of those chaps are at Armature if my memory is correct. Again, I'm sure someone else is more knowledgeable than I on this issue.
Well if we count bundles and pack-ins, that could be true.
Ah, didn't consider that. Maybe it did.
StealthGoblin
Banned
I don't even remember seeing PR that inFAMOUS 2 hit 2 million, let alone 4 million. Festival of Blood, however, is the fastest selling PSN game in history and launched at $9.99 and must have made considerable bank given that the game was being developed alongside inFAMOUS 2 and sharing a lot of assets.
Linkedin lists six former Retro guys working at Armature.
I believe a few ex-Retro guys actually work at BluePoint, the people who did MGS HD and some of the other HD collections.
Yeah it is like 4 ex-Retro Studios programmers and 2-3 former contract SCEA programmers.
Too bad with all those Sony studios, not one of them has made the megahit needed to propel a platform. Some have been preeettty close, like Uncharted and God of War, but still nothing on the level of Mario, Pokemon, Halo, heck, even Gears. Nothing revolutionary.
I would say that the PS2 never had that first party megahit either, but Gran Turismo certainly was that. But as much as I LOVE Uncharted, it's just not on the same level. I really think that's Sony's biggest problem; more studios than everybody else, and not one megaton.
I would say that the PS2 never had that first party megahit either, but Gran Turismo certainly was that. But as much as I LOVE Uncharted, it's just not on the same level. I really think that's Sony's biggest problem; more studios than everybody else, and not one megaton.
What? inFamous 2 sold well over half a million in the US.
(around ~700k)
That's good, imo!
They realize you don't have to build a platform on one or two 'megahits'. Sony has always been more about having a variety of developers and titles to back their systems, more than relying on single franchises/concepts to sell them.
God of War was definitely a mega-hit. Gran Turismo has the luxury of being bigger in Japan, so overall it trumps God of War.
Uncharted was huge. I think God of War and Gran Turismo are only bigger because they were developed on much bigger platforms (PSX/PS2) than that of the PS3.
You are also grouping some very random properties together. Mario? Pokemon? Gears? and Halo? The Mario Bros. franchise has 25 years of history. Pokemon was a popular cartoon, trading card line, toy, and video game franchise hypnotizing millions of children.
Uno Venova
Banned
They have the best first party out of all the big three. That's why I will always be interested in a new Sony console it always get great exclusive support.
Didn't GT5 sell more than Gears. Probably sold more than Reach too.
And Gears and Uncharted have comparable sales.
Didn't GT5 sell more than Gears. Probably sold more than Reach too.
And Gears and Uncharted have comparable sales.
Melchiah
Member
I'd definitely want another Resistance and God of War, but the rest really aren't that interesting to me. Resistance especially needs another entry, as the last one was ended so abruptly. Not to mention, that R# was entertaining as hell.
I do agree, that we need new IPs next gen, and I'm sure there'll be a plenty of them, like usually.
This!
Exactly why their console will always be my nr. 1 system.
I love their 1st party stuff.
Only the (J)RPG's are missing ;-/
You hear me SONY? Give us some AAA (J)RPG's!
Relaxed Muscle
Member
More like the western part expanded.
Isn't the Japan half basically still the same, minus the more than presumably dead of Team ICO?
Isn't the Japan half basically still the same, minus the more than presumably dead of Team ICO?
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
JRPGs that aren't named Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest (is Pokemon a JRPG?) don't sell enough to make it worthwhile. They tried with White Knight Chronicles, but it flopped. So we'll be getting Grayzone 4 instead.
All three first-party console makers have very different philosophies.
Nintendo, the most traditional, houses 90% of their R&D internally in their offices. These employees are all hired, trained and work inside the company. It has the most pure identity as a developer, but it also may cause stiffling and prevent original ideas that are not boxed into old properties.
SONY establishes and invests in several small companies world wide that carry the SONY brand. Sony Computer Entertainment Bangladesh proudly presents....
Microsoft works similarly to SONY, but more honestly. They aren't obsessed with the Microsoft name and are comfortable in creating first-party publishing contracts or owning / investing into studios with separate identities. RARE. 343i. Bungie (formerly). Etc.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Ninokuni came out of the gate and had a heart attack too.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
JRPGs named Shin Megami Tensei could work, where are those?
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Did it even manage to sell more than 0.5 copies in Japan? That thing bombed hard from what I could gather.
PS2
The only thing that your 'megahit' is missing is a hundred million dollar marketing budget.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Was price an issue? Was it actually marketed?
It was very expensive, it came with a big book on DS. Which also meant being sold in a large box which probably put additional retail pressure on the price, if it was the West it wouldn't get the time to gather speed with word of mouth before the price was slashed to get it off the shelves, not sure about in Japan though. But the PS3 version didn't have that excuse.
UC3? Not in US, Japan or Europe. Gears did 2+million just in the US debut (vs. 700k for UC3 in US)
Reach was at like 5 million back in 2010, GT5 was at 7 million in September 2011...so both should be around 8 million.
SolidSnakex
Member
A JRPG that could sell 500k with each entry in Japan would be a much bigger asset to Sony than KZ or Resistance.