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GVN Winter Brawl 6 | Fighting game tournament | 2012 February 18-19
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Ogrekiller
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can tag out and get 2 more supers out of it? hell yes.
Luminous is even worse. can be done in air.
Well when that happens maybe he'll consider it, but Iron Fist already won him one major and got him through 90% of another one, so I don't see him dropping IF because of somebody's tier list.
I had to take a minute to recover from the HYPE COMA!!!!
WOW... GODLIKE MARVEL TOP 16!!!!! One of the best tournaments for Marvel easily.
Morrigan should NOT be nerfed... GTFO with this shit. This is the first time a fully zoning based team made it to Grand finals and still didn't win. Rushdown dominates UMVC3 still and people are calling to nerf one of the few viable zoning strats in the game. People need to use their own brains and not rely on other people to think for themselves. If I called out that Storm would be a good pick for Justin then why can't other people/players do the same.
The 2 defining differences between ChrisG and Justin won is nerves of steel and adaptability. Justin's ability to download players is uncanny, it's why he's the best at the game. In Marvel you have to figure out the opponent's set up insanely fast or get bopped... it's a very difficult game to remain consistent in yet he wins majors back to back for over a year (he is the two time defending champion of Winter Brawl already).
Frantic, Killer Sasa and some of the other Marvel heads speak the truth here. The onus falls on ChrisG to upgrade his team. Doom plus Akuma is a potent combination due to the lockdown potential plus vice versa, he needs to explore more technology between the two plus learn better combos with Morrigan to kill problematic characters (he had Wolverine in his clutches numerous times but didn't XF for the kill... that was the difference).
WOW... GODLIKE MARVEL TOP 16!!!!! One of the best tournaments for Marvel easily.
Morrigan should NOT be nerfed... GTFO with this shit. This is the first time a fully zoning based team made it to Grand finals and still didn't win. Rushdown dominates UMVC3 still and people are calling to nerf one of the few viable zoning strats in the game. People need to use their own brains and not rely on other people to think for themselves. If I called out that Storm would be a good pick for Justin then why can't other people/players do the same.
The 2 defining differences between ChrisG and Justin won is nerves of steel and adaptability. Justin's ability to download players is uncanny, it's why he's the best at the game. In Marvel you have to figure out the opponent's set up insanely fast or get bopped... it's a very difficult game to remain consistent in yet he wins majors back to back for over a year (he is the two time defending champion of Winter Brawl already).
Frantic, Killer Sasa and some of the other Marvel heads speak the truth here. The onus falls on ChrisG to upgrade his team. Doom plus Akuma is a potent combination due to the lockdown potential plus vice versa, he needs to explore more technology between the two plus learn better combos with Morrigan to kill problematic characters (he had Wolverine in his clutches numerous times but didn't XF for the kill... that was the difference).
KingOfReading
Banned
Chris G's gotta pull it together. He's just giving scraps to the stream monsters. And they're picking him apart. Quickmemes are already popping up.
I hate Wong with a passion, but I can't deny that talent. Kid's got technology.
I hate Wong with a passion, but I can't deny that talent. Kid's got technology.
He also won UMvC3 Teams I think.
TheThunder
Member
The MLG thing is irrelevant.
It's a replays cast of an online based tournament that was played weeks in advance and got it's results leaked a week ago, and to top it all off it's based on the worst region of the 3 (North America)
This is another thing, not enough people are giving Chris G respect for how executionally intensive this shit is. Sure more people look at it as QCF+M QCB+S QCF+H Unfly, but doing all of that? In high stakes ass matches? Where people optiize damage for more than your character's total health (950K) in one stroke most times? That's got to be demanding.
I hope Chris doesn't let the hate get to him and innovates more. He can do a lot more than even this with some more understanding of the characters or just Morrigan alone if he really wants to optimize around her game. I wonder if people would get mad if they saw proper Soul Drain combos into Level 3s all day long.
When JWong is rushing you down with best friends.
I think the real issue Chris G had was that his anchor ability didn't compare to Justin's. You can tell that his experience with Doom isn't on par as what you usually see on stream. I'm looking forward to him putting some time in and making that team a little more well rounded.
I enjoyed the finals - well played by both sides. Lame play is exciting to me because you're basically telling the opponent "I bet that I can sit here and zone forever and there's no way you can touch me" except if they get touched once, they die (yay xfactor). I respect it.
I enjoyed the finals - well played by both sides. Lame play is exciting to me because you're basically telling the opponent "I bet that I can sit here and zone forever and there's no way you can touch me" except if they get touched once, they die (yay xfactor). I respect it.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
This is the truth. Fuck up one QCF and it might be a big enough opening to lose the advantage. As far as MvC3 level execution goes, it's not rocket science but it's not that simple either.
Ogrekiller
Member
Not a very good showing for him then
He gotta beat the boshy to even stand a chance. Guy is not enough now.
papersleeves
Member
That stream was just so fucking.......epic.
Duxxy3
Member
That or he needs to practice more of the games he plays in the tournaments...
Nah, fuck that - boshy is more fun to watch.
Big-fucking-time! While I'm loving watching Boshy I'd watch Floe if he streamed his training as well I'm sure (plus it'd be nice to watch him and JWong train, pick up tips)
scytheavatar
Member
Truth be told up till now I am still not sure what is the purpose Akuma serves in Chris G's team. His Akuma is solid but had he switched in Hawkeye he probably would have been better off.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Wait what happened to Flocker?
Professor Beef
Banned
Akuma pushes people back and goes through projectiles.
One last thing before I take this to the OT:
This is pretty much why I was so excited to see MarlinPie use Optic Blast to stuff the startup of AV. If he can discover a massive chink in the armor like that and use the proper tool to exploit it without issue, what makes this a problem again?
This is pretty much why I was so excited to see MarlinPie use Optic Blast to stuff the startup of AV. If he can discover a massive chink in the armor like that and use the proper tool to exploit it without issue, what makes this a problem again?
PolarBearsClub
Member
I believe he was eliminated by Omen off stream.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Tatsu assist is still retarded. The fact that it ate an Ex Seismo and kept chugging along is reason enough to keep him.
SousedLouse
Member
I'll give Chris G's Morrigan play the respect it deserves when I recover from this weekend; between Winter Brawl 6 and World Game Cup 2012, I'm all hyped out.
But I will say this: those few flashes of brilliance with Doom kept Chris in the game longer that I would have anticipated. If he can develop some Latverian technology, or swap Doom and Akuma out for two characters that he's better with, he'll be downright disgusting. 3 killers on a team is far more difficult to deal with than just one.
And when if you make one mistake (air throw, random super, instant overhead, stay on the ground 0.25 seconds too long) you lose your main game.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Kind of risky to run Morrigan without Missiles imo. Can't depend on everyone to walk face first into fireballs for you.
Boombloxer
Member
Real sage talk. I feel like I just got enlightened.
Akuma maybe, but Doom is integral to his Morrigan Bullet Hell. Indispensable. Akuma can be swapped, but he'll miss that tatsu when things gets a little up close and personal. Almost all of his mix-ups come off of that assist.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Man, I can't wait for spooky to put up youtube matches. There was a ton of godlike shit tonight.
Storm was a nice tough, but the real game changer was taking out IF and starting with Wolverine/Akuma.
Duxxy3
Member
Dieminion runs without doom and it doesn't seem as effective as chris' team.
Chris does need to find a counter for his counter for sure. Maybe that would mean moving morrigan back to the 2 spot, i don't know.
SousedLouse
Member
Good point, completely forgot about that. And Akuma's there for pushblocking and cutting through projectiles. I got nothing - Chris G's just going to have to go back to the lab, then. Practice makes perfect, etc.
Man, I hope the community takes notice of Chris's overall play, instead of just writing off tonight's performance because he was mentally guard-broken near the end. I mean, I know this stuff's been around since Vanilla, but with a Morrigan like that in Grand Finals, people have to take notice now. I want to see team wide countermeasures for Astral Vision, and counters for Astral Vision counters, hopefully by the time Final Round comes around; anything that gets more Storm play on streams is fine by me.
Ogrekiller
Member
Seriously? That super has had that huge gap since mvc2.
Combofiend has snatched dooms out of photon arrays before.
"God's Beard!"
Member
It's actually pretty easy to get up into that hole, but it's easy to mess up the divekick. There's a lot of stuff that obviously only Justin practices.
biosnake20
Member
Theres a big opening in that super right above dooms head. Justin just had the right character for the job.
He's got a big cone-shaped gap above his head, it's just that it's really difficult for most characters to attack straight down in the air. Akuma, however, will blow Doom up due to his dive kick.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Almost no Wesker in top 4. Just the game (2 games?) ChrisG played with his Wesker team.
BaroqueSampson
Member
Pretty sure it was just one, and there was barely any Wesker because Justin eliminated him ASAP
Terareflection
Member
Did Justin enter the KOF tourney?
Face it Tiger..
Banned
I was out all evening so i'm just gonna..
YO MAHVEL!
YO MAHVEL!
Dreamland Boy
Neo Member
What a great tournament! Spooky and all the commentators did an amazing job. Rush Hour for life. Chris Hu and Sherry!
Really nice to see the top 3 in Marvel, was hoping for ChrisG but Wong was wonderful as well. And really enjoyed Floe vs Santhrax and Juicebox vs Dieminion in AE.
Really nice to see the top 3 in Marvel, was hoping for ChrisG but Wong was wonderful as well. And really enjoyed Floe vs Santhrax and Juicebox vs Dieminion in AE.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
who was on justin's other alt team? felicia, nova, and ???
Watch the archives; that shit was fantastic.
Frank Wack.
KidA Seven
Member
Juicebox and Chris G are on Sudoku watch.
Justin Wong was god like.
Justin Wong was god like.
Terareflection
Member
Huh?