Who's the group you are talking about? Nexus?
The brooms thing was bad but it didn't do much, if any longterm damage.
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Who's the group you are talking about? Nexus?
The brooms thing was bad but it didn't do much, if any longterm damage.
Miz's run was poorly handled and made him a huge after thought. But still... Miz.The Miz.
Yes and the man no sold a DDT on concrete.Who's the group you are talking about? Nexus?
The brooms thing was bad but it didn't do much, if any longterm damage.
Killing_Joke
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It's pretty obvious CENA/ROCK have no real beef. All this "shooting" Cena does isn't even a real attack. Rock doesn't come back for the pay checks or to promote his movies ( Fast five or any of rocks movies will do good or bad with or without WWE help). How many times did we hear " i want my son back but i don't know how?!?" and made a whooping 1 million opening weekend? lulz
When the rock attacks cena it's pretty much shit we already knew. He's a shitty wrestler, white boy gangsta. etc but since WWE has been so damn kiddish lately these attacks feel like real shoots.
Guys like CM Punk, Miz or Orton who talk shit for no reason is just bitterness. Cena/Rock is a match i want to see. Just seeing it on paper makes me mark out. I can give a shit how the boys in the back feel or smarks who feel Santino deserves to be in the main event.
Again i must repeat Cena headlined 7 soon to be 8 straights years. That's more then Hogan, Taker, Rock, HHH and Austin. Rock is not a problem. Its Cena being they only marketable wrestler they have. (Well Takers streak too i guess)
When the rock attacks cena it's pretty much shit we already knew. He's a shitty wrestler, white boy gangsta. etc but since WWE has been so damn kiddish lately these attacks feel like real shoots.
Guys like CM Punk, Miz or Orton who talk shit for no reason is just bitterness. Cena/Rock is a match i want to see. Just seeing it on paper makes me mark out. I can give a shit how the boys in the back feel or smarks who feel Santino deserves to be in the main event.
Again i must repeat Cena headlined 7 soon to be 8 straights years. That's more then Hogan, Taker, Rock, HHH and Austin. Rock is not a problem. Its Cena being they only marketable wrestler they have. (Well Takers streak too i guess)
FallingEdge
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I'd argue Barrett for one - he should be a main eventer right now, but ever since his "fued" with Cena, he's been wallowing around the mid card with no direction.
But is this Cena's fault or creative? I guess this is where we differ on opinion. Yes, Cena won but again, was that his decision? Did he book himself to win or was it creative?
Cena != post Attitude Era HHH
Yes and the man no sold a DDT on concrete.
Same question to you. Cena's decision or creative?
From what I have read and heard, and feel free to correct me, Cena has never refused to put a wrestler over.
ViewtifulJC
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Cena IS Creative
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Feeling kinda sick today, so thanks for the laughs.
I know it's funny, the fact is there are slim pickings...
Go back the the last 7 Wrestlemanias and tell me who could have been the next HHH, Cena, Rock, Stone Cold...
Miz's run was poorly handled and made him a huge after thought. But still... Miz.
Yes and the man no sold a DDT on concrete.
The only guys in Nexus worth a damn were Wade and DB and they're completely fine right now.
-Pyromaniac-
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orton sells shit like a championSame question to you. Cena's decision or creative?
BoboBrazil
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But is this Cena's fault or creative? I guess this is where we differ on opinion. Yes, Cena won but again, was that his decision? Did he book himself to win or was it creative?
Cena != post Attitude Era HHH
Same question to you. Cena's decision or creative?
You seriously think Cena has no creative input? The guy could say hey let's put over this guy here to make the rematch later on even stronger, but he never puts anyone over. What is the last feud he has lost? Who is the last guy he elevated in a feud?
The HHH/Cena reign of terror got so bad I stopped watching wrestling for the most part from 06-10.
Cena != post Attitude Era HHH
PG era John Cena = 80's Hulk Hogan
Creative. Cena didn't object though.Same question to you. Cena's decision or creative?
It just adds to Cena's superman booking that he took out an entire group of people.The only guys in Nexus worth a damn were Wade and DB and they're completely fine right now.
Barack Lesnar
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OMFG @ last night's Raw. I read every single page. I have so much to say... gonna take a nap for a bit.
Mr. Enigma
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So.. How many people did Stone Cold put over? I know he didn't always win, and got screwed over a lot.
But once he was champion, I don't remember him losing cleany.
Austin losing cleanly during his huge 1998-1999 run would have destroyed him. I doubt it was even his decision. Vince protected him big time.
FallingEdge
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So.. How many people did Stone Cold put over? I know he didn't always win, and got screwed over a lot.
But once he was champion, I don't remember him losing cleany.
Foley beat him clean in the Triple Threat with Ventura as the special ref.
Professor Beef
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Kaval... could have been the future
Kaval wasn't necessarily "buried," but he certainly left a lot earlier than he should have. Just look at D.Brine; the guy got shit on, but now he's one of the best heels on the roster, and not just because the roster is crap.
Foley beat him clean in the Triple Threat with Ventura as the special ref.
That's the only time I could think of. I know it was because Austin really respected him. And he finally lost to the Rock also.
Foley beat him clean in the Triple Threat with Ventura as the special ref.
Because he didn't want to put over Triple H. They gave it foley then Triple H won the title the next day.
Austin losing cleanly during his huge 1998-1999 run would have destroyed him. I doubt it was even his decision. Vince protected him big time.
Sure sounds like John Cena to me
Austin losing cleanly during his huge 1998-1999 run would have destroyed him. I doubt it was even his decision. Vince protected him big time.
I love SCSA, but let's not pretend he didn't have input - remember, he was supposed to put over Lesnar, but refused (whether or not his reasons for refusing were legitimate is another story entirely) and ended up leaving the company due to it.
Rock, coincidentally, ended up putting over Lesnar and cementing him as a big-time main event star.
I'll set ya straight in the quote...
Really, how the hell were any of these guys buried by Cena or HHH?
Kaval... could have been the future
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Bobby Lashey-not buried in the slightest
Carlito-given chances
Jeff Hardy-seriously?
Umaga-how was he buried by cena or HHH?
Mr Kennedy-given chances but he stinks
Mvp-they did drop the ball a little with him but not by cena or HHH
Shelton Banjamin-given lots of chances
Jomo-blew his chances
Jack Swagger-sucks and he was made WHC
Christian-seriously?
of these who would you pick?
Really, how the hell were any of these guys buried by Cena or HHH?
FallingEdge
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You seriously think Cena has no creative input? The guy could say hey let's put over this guy here to make the rematch later on even stronger, but he never puts anyone over. What is the last feud he has lost? Who is the last guy he elevated in a feud?
The HHH/Cena reign of terror got so bad I stopped watching wrestling for the most part from 06-10.
Punk, Shaemus, Edge, and RVD off the top of my head.
Creative. Cena didn't object though.
It just adds to Cena's superman booking that he took out an entire group of people.
So now he has to change the booking? Why is that? Cena didn't fuck up Nexus. Creative did. How the hell is that Cena's fault? His character is a byproduct of what Vince and the writing team thinks he should be.
I love SCSA, but let's not pretend he didn't have input - remember, he was supposed to put over Lesnar, but refused (whether or not his reasons for refusing were legitimate is another story entirely) and ended up leaving the company due to it.
Rock, coincidentally, ended up putting over Lesnar and cementing him as a big-time main event star.
From what I read, and you touched over it slightly, Austin was fine with Lesnar winning. He just wanted a proper build as opposed to a random 'oh hey, you are losing tonight in this match'
I love SCSA, but let's not pretend he didn't have input - remember, he was supposed to put over Lesnar, but refused (whether or not his reasons for refusing were legitimate is another story entirely) and ended up leaving the company due to it.
Rock, coincidentally, ended up putting over Lesnar and cementing him as a big-time main event star.
You are suggesting Lesnar is in the same ballpark as Austin and/or The Rock.
Arrowgigantic
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Correction, he's half a man. He has zero ability to draw a segment of audience WWE desperately needs. Rock, Austin, and Foley could all work the whole audience. Cena can't. He just can't. He doesn't have any of the kinds of charisma that a superstar needs. He has just three things going for him: his HGH supplier, his face, and everything else he does for the company that doesn't involve a match or a promo. Which is a lot-- like I said, makes him about half a guy. But that's his limit. He's peaked. This is all John Cena will ever have to offer.Cena is only one man
I'll set ya straight in the quote...
I only disagree with the "seriously?" comment with regards to Christian (not saying Cena or HHH buried him however) - I think they really dropped the ball with him. He could definitely be a legit main eventer, especially if they didn't feed him to Orton last year and let him have a decent title run.
Professor Beef
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JoMo didn't blow his chances, but Melina sure did.
You are suggesting Lesnar is in the same ballpark as Austin and/or The Rock.
I honestly believe he would have reached that level if not for him leaving early for the NFL and then UFC.
I'll set ya straight in the quote...
Really, how the hell were any of these guys buried by Cena or HHH?
Thanks for the reply. I'm still waiting for the list of wrestlers who could have been at Cena's level by now. And maybe there are people I have not thought of, but just name them. And be realistic.
Correction, he's half a man. He has zero ability to draw a segment of audience WWE desperately needs. Rock, Austin, and Foley could all work the whole audience. Cena can't. He just can't. He doesn't have any of the kinds of charisma that a superstar needs. He has just three things going for him: his HGH supplier, his face, and everything else he does for the company that doesn't involve a match or a promo. Which is a lot-- like I said, makes him about half a guy. But that's his limit. He's peaked. This is all John Cena will ever have to offer.
Please leave and don't come back until you realize what charisma actually is. I can't believe there are still people who think like this about Cena. Get real.
And to jmdajr, I didn't say anything about anyone else being at Cena's level. I don't think anyone should be in the main event right who isn't already there or who doesn't have the talent to be there by now.
I honestly believe he would have reached that level if not for him leaving early for the NFL and then UFC.
The farthest I could see him go was Kevin Nash level.
Please leave and don't come back until you realize what charisma actually is. I can't believe there are still people who think like this about Cena. Get real.
Well you can't beat your sound reasoning of 'sucks and was made WHC'
He sure could change the booking if he wanted to.So now he has to change the booking? Why is that? Cena didn't fuck up Nexus. Creative did. How the hell is that Cena's fault? His character is a byproduct of what Vince and the writing team thinks he should be.
I'm still waiting for the list of wrestlers who could have been at Cena's level by now. And maybe there are people I have not thought of, but just name them. And be realistic.
Who in your opinion is at Cena's level right now? Besides HHH?
Please leave and don't come back until you realize what charisma actually is. I can't believe there are still people who think like this about Cena. Get real.
When I started dating my wife it was around 2006. She thought it was silly of me to watch wrestling but she liked one guy. John Cena. And it wasn't because anyone told her she had to like him...she just did. He had the it factor. The Charisma. Don't hate him because you grew up and think the "Hulk Hogan" gimmick is stupid now.
FallingEdge
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Correction, he's half a man. He has zero ability to draw a segment of audience WWE desperately needs. Rock, Austin, and Foley could all work the whole audience. Cena can't. He just can't. He doesn't have any of the kinds of charisma that a superstar needs. He has just three things going for him: his HGH supplier, his face, and everything else he does for the company that doesn't involve a match or a promo. Which is a lot-- like I said, makes him about half a guy. But that's his limit. He's peaked. This is all John Cena will ever have to offer.
Unbelievable.
You know how he became popular in the first place? His character and his ability to cut a promo. It was Heyman and the SD writing team who helped elevate him into superstar status. To say that he has zero ability to draw that particular audience is absurd. It isn't Cena. It is his current character. It is the state of the WWE. Not him.
Well you can't beat your sound reasoning of 'sucks and was made WHC'
Being handed the WHC doesn't constitute being buried. My whole point this afternoon was that people throw around the word bury for everyone nowadays and they blame the scapegoats Cena and HHH.
Perspicacity
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You are suggesting Lesnar is in the same ballpark as Austin and/or The Rock.
Others beat me to it, but yeah, Lesnar should have been a dominant main event monster for years.
He could have essentially been Andre with wrestling ability and without the health issues
I wish he would just go to them and tell them he's retiring. Do something big at SummerSlam, and let that be the end of it.I'm not sure how I feel about this, beauty and the beast stage is always cack but irrelevance isn't any better as a Kane fan, i'd like bombastic retirement angle if anything, complete with a finale so absurdly supernatural that some wrasslegaffers would unfortunately enter an Undertaker style vegetative state from embarrassment if they were to watch it.
Others beat me to it, but yeah, Lesnar should have been a dominant main event monster for years.
He could have essentially been Andre with wrestling ability and without the health issues
So, like Batista but with less mic skills?
Arrowgigantic
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Uhhhhwithout the health issues
Perspicacity
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I said with wrestling ability, pretty hard to wrestle when you can't run 2 meters without pulling a hamstring
No one could have predicted that at the time, whereas Andre had always been an unhealthy dude
Uhhhh
No one could have predicted that at the time, whereas Andre had always been an unhealthy dude
Who in your opinion is at Cena's level right now? Besides HHH?
As far as drawing power? I don't know.. no one? Bastista was up there but he quit. Edge had to retire. HBK retired. Undertaker is on his last legs. Rey Mysterio has had like a billion knee surgeries. Big Show-hah!
I still love Chris Jericho but he doesn't have that drawing power. Randy Orton is also stuck in mediocre mode.
I said with wrestling ability, pretty hard to wrestle when you can't run 2 meters without pulling a hamstring
You are assuming that Lesnar had hidden wrestling ability that he never displayed.
You are assuming that Lesnar had hidden wrestling ability that he never displayed.
He tried to and almost broke his neck...
I was at that Wrestlemania, thought he was dead. I wish there were more PPV's in Seattle.He tried too and almost broke his neck...
I'll set ya straight in the quote...
Really, how the hell were any of these guys buried by Cena or HHH?
MVP was buried by the front office telling him to tone it down (his offense is good, check his NJPW stuff), and by his love of joints. Not Cena/HHH.
I don't think Swagger sucks, he's just a WCW guy 20 years too late. Given the right promotion he could have been a Dr.Death-lite.
CM Punk was made by Cena into a main eventer.
Also, Cena is a product of his environment. Put Cena in early-90's WCW or Attitude Era he'd come off a lot stronger/better. I'd pay for a time machine Vader/Cena match- it would be awesome.
MVP was buried by the front office telling him to tone it down (his offense is good, check his NJPW stuff), and by his love of joints. Not Cena/HHH.
I don't think Swagger sucks, he's just a WCW guy 20 years too late. Given the right promotion he could have been a Dr.Death-lite.
CM Punk was made by Cena into a main eventer.
Also, Cena is a product of his environment. Put Cena in early-90's WCW or Attitude Era he'd come off a lot stronger/better. I'd pay for a time machine Vader/Cena match- it would be awesome.
lol
As far as drawing power? I don't know.. no one? Bastista was up there but he quit. Edge had to retire. HBK retired. Undertaker is on his last legs. Rey Mysterio has had like a billion knee surgeries. Big Show-hah!
I still love Chris Jericho but he doesn't have that drawing power. Randy Orton is also stuck in mediocre mode.
I'll agree with you on those points. Except for Batista being on par with Cena but not Jericho and Orton. C'mon man, you've got to be kidding.
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