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[ANDY_098]

Sky Will have it on their player service and there's always the other option of torrents.

Sky only have 75mins of highlights up at the moment, I don't know if they will have the whole race up there, but if they were then I'd guess it'd be up by now.

 

[TCRS]

Can't find the full race on Sky either. WTF IS THIS SHIT? I had to work on Sunday morning. Damn.

 

[Psychotext]

So, where can I watch the race then?

Give the BBC highlights a go. I think you literally miss something like 10 minutes of the race. If you don't pay really close attention to the lap counter you wont notice, it's very well done.

 

[TCRS]

Yeah I'll do that. I have no other choice anyway.

 

[Septimius]

I totally agree with Brawn who says "super f-duct controversy is taking focus away from the exhaust solutions by some of the teams", and I think it's sad.

...

"The FIA probably told you all that we were not going to have exhaust blown diffusers any more. We thought we were not going to have them. But several cars have got them.

"Our wing system has probably taken the spotlight off something that was clearly never intended.

"F1 is very competitive, the people involved in it are extremely competitive, and it is the nature of F1. You have to work to written regulations and, if somebody can see a clever interpretation, then that is the nature of this business."

Although Brawn still faces the risk of a rival team protesting the legality of the rear wing design on his car, he has ruled out lodging a similar complaint against the exhaust designs elsewhere.

"We have already been through the FIA and challenged the FIA to its interpretation," he said. "They told us that they are comfortable with what has happened, so we respect that.

"We are now looking at the systems people are using to see if we feel that they could be a benefit to us. I suspect they will disappear next year."

 

[Deadman]

I don't know if this has already been posted but the bbc are doing a series of articles on the top 20 f1 drivers, as decided by the bbc f1 team.

Number 20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17319968
Number 19 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17406716

I look forward to the argument over whoever gets number 1.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I don't know if this has already been posted but the bbc are doing a series of articles on the top 20 f1 drivers, as decided by the bbc f1 team.

Number 20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17319968
Number 19 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17406716

I look forward to the argument over whoever gets number 1.

Jim Clark by a country mile.

 

[ANDY_098]

Jim Clark by a country mile.

I bet they give it to Senna anyway.

 

[Deadman]

I bet they give it to Senna anyway.

Of course they will. But it's clearly Schumacher.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

I bet they give it to Senna anyway.

Top 4 (not in order)

Senna
Hamilton
Schumacher
Prost



13 Kimi Raikkonen. I'll be surprised if they put him anywhere higher

 

[RomanticHeroX]

I bet they give it to Senna anyway.

Deservedly so.

 

[Saiyar]

I bet they give it to Senna anyway.

Last time BBC did a top drivers article it was:
1. Schumacher
2. Senna
3. Clark

 

[ANDY_098]

Top 4 (not in order)

Senna
Hamilton
Schumacher
Prost



13 Kimi Raikkonen. I'll be surprised if they put him anywhere higher

There is no way Hamilton is in the top 4.

Mine would be

1 Clark
2 Schumacher
3 Fangio
4 Senna

 

[Lucius86]

Top 4 (not in order)

Senna
Hamilton
Schumacher
Prost



13 Kimi Raikkonen. I'll be surprised if they put him anywhere higher

Kimi does not deserve to be on the top 20 list. Hamilton top 4 not a chance either.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

There is no way Hamilton is in the top 4.

Mine would be

1 Clark
2 Schumacher
3 Fangio
4 Senna

They should never go beyond 20 years max.. How could we ever judge those drivers? from documentaries? I think we all know how these turn out.

Kimi does not deserve to be on the top 20 list. Hamilton top 4 not a chance either.

I don't care what you say as long as you pre-order my season review bluray

 

[ANDY_098]

They should never go beyond 20 years max.. How could we ever judge those drivers? from documentaries? I think we all know how these turn out.




I don't care what you say as long as you pre-order my season review bluray

I don't think there should be an arbitrary limit on how far back we should go. Why not only 10 years, why not 30 years? Unless there is a specific reason a limit is chosen then they would only be used to add bias to the list.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

I don't think there should be an arbitrary limit on how far back we should go. Why not only 10 years, why not 30 years? Unless there is a specific reason a limit is chosen then they would only be used to add bias to the list.

Most of the people who are choosing the drivers, never saw Fangio/Clarck..etc race, and most importantly never lived the environment of the F1 of those days. So you can't really judge

What's their judging method? mathematical?

 

[RomanticHeroX]

There's extensive records about F1 from their era along with concurrent reports from people in and around the sport at the time talking about them. The 1950s aren't exactly ancient history. Doesn't make comparing them any less subjective, but there are more or less valid ways to approach it.

 

[SunhiLegend]

The only current driver apart from Schumacer I would put in the top 8 is Alonso, but I'm probably bit biased.

In no particular order

Clark
Schumacer
Senna
Fangio
Prost
Jackie Stewart
Alonso

For drivers that were before my time, I'm juding them based on the many documentaries and season reviews I've seen, also general consensus.

 

[Lucius86]

The only current driver apart from Schumacer I would put in the top 8 is Alonso, but I'm probably bit biased.

In no particular order

Clark
Schumacer
Senna
Fangio
Prost
Jackie Stewart
Alonso

For drivers that were before my time, I'm juding them based on the many documentaries and season reviews I've seen, also general consensus.

No matter how much I hate him, I have to agree with Alonso being in there. Such a talent.

I like your top 8.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Top 4 (not in order)

Senna
Hamilton
Schumacher
Prost



13 Kimi Raikkonen. I'll be surprised if they put him anywhere higher

I've already stated that a Grand Chelem is a great indicator of pure talent and speed and only Schumacher and Senna have achieved more than one from your list; Clark achieved 8 before his death.

And placing Lewis above the likes of Fangio, Ascari, Stewart, Brabham, Piquet, Fittipaldi et al is heresy of the highest order.

 

[WorriedCitizen]

They should never go beyond 20 years max.. How could we ever judge those drivers? from documentaries? I think we all know how these turn out.

Lots of old races are still around on streaming websites etc.

I personaly find it hard to compare the old drivers with the newer generations tho. Too much has changed. I'm not convinced that a Clark, Stewart or Hill could by default drive a modern F1 car to the limit because the apprenticeship for drivers is so different now, the cars so much more complex etc. On the other side it's also doubtfull if modern F1 drivers would have the right attitude to drive the old cars on the limit since it was much more dangerous back then.

 

[pappe]

I only started following F1 from 1998, so i cant say who is the greatest. But since that time no1 even comes close to Schumacher.

Since 1998 i would rate them

Schumi
Hakkinen
Alonso
Vettel

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

I've already stated that a Grand Chelem is a great indicator of pure talent and speed and only Schumacher and Senna have achieved more than one from your list; Clark achieved 8 before his death.

And placing Lewis above the likes of Fangio, Ascari, Stewart, Brabham, Piquet, Fittipaldi et al is heresy of the highest order.

Just to clarify, this is not my list. This is my prediction of BBC's list

My list would go something like


kimi
kimi
raikkonen
mikka
kimi
kimi

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I only started following F1 from 1998, so i cant say who is the greatest. But since that time no1 even comes close to Schumacher.

Since 1998 i would rate them

Schumi
Hakkinen
Alonso
Vettel

There's no doubt that Schumacher prime is the greatest of the modern era with only Alonso coming close. What the Red Baron achieved in his prime years was astonishing to witness and a honour to behold. His 1996 race at Catalunya was the closest anyone has come to matching Senna's glorious Donnington 1993 triumph.

 

[TCRS]

Vettel will definitively be up there. That guy won a race in a Minardi, a Minardi!

Just checked wiki, that was four years ago, wut?

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Just to clarify, this is not my list. This is my prediction of BBC's list

My list would go something like


kimi
kimi
raikkonen
mikka
kimi
kimi

Needs more Mika.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eE3gCy5zvM

 

[mclem]

Give the BBC highlights a go. I think you literally miss something like 10 minutes of the race. If you don't pay really close attention to the lap counter you wont notice, it's very well done.

Nearly 24 minutes total, I timed it. Although I do agree it's very well done and hard to notice unless you're watching the clock or the lap counter.

The safety car helped, lots of stuff that's trivial to snip around that.

 

[Xun]

Lots of old races are still around on streaming websites etc.

I personaly find it hard to compare the old drivers with the newer generations tho. Too much has changed. I'm not convinced that a Clark, Stewart or Hill could by default drive a modern F1 car to the limit because the apprenticeship for drivers is so different now, the cars so much more complex etc. On the other side it's also doubtfull if modern F1 drivers would have the right attitude to drive the old cars on the limit since it was much more dangerous back then.

Pretty much.

It's hard to rate drivers like this.

 

[Lach]

Needs more Mika.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eE3gCy5zvM

This right here is what made me go from a casual f1 viewer to a regular f1 viewer (well at least till USGP 2005)...

 

[Business]

Vettel will definitively be up there. That guy won a race in a Minardi, a Minardi!

Just checked wiki, that was four years ago, wut?

He didn't win any race in a Minardi. Nobody could win a race in a Minardi and nobody can win a race in F1 with a car that is not top tier. Bourdais was starting 3rd that GP I think.

 

[Shaneus]

No matter how much I hate him, I have to agree with Alonso being in there. Such a talent.

I like your top 8.

Over the last 10 years or so, the only ones that really spring to mind who'd belong in the top 20 are Alonso and Schumacher. I'm probably missing one or two, but there's definitely no-one else in the current crop that would deserve to be there.

Vettel will definitively be up there. That guy won a race in a Minardi, a Minardi!

Just checked wiki, that was four years ago, wut?

Recheck the wiki. I think you're thinking of Toro Rosso... vastly different from Minardi, even back then.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

To add to the Clark stats, the following really is a record that will never be beaten. He led every single lap of every single race in the 1965 season, he never lost the lead even when in the pits. Unprecedented dominance, he also won the Indy 500 that year along with his F1 title. A time when the Indy 500 actually meant something.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Needs more Mika.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eE3gCy5zvM

ahhhh on eof the best moments in F1 history... soooooooo satisfying


btw I just checked my rank in GAF's sub-league (f1manager) and I'm second!!!!!!!!! :O

 

[TCRS]

I know but I can't stop thinking of Toro Rosso as Minardi. They should have kept the name.

 

[Big Takeover]

Over the last 10 years or so, the only ones that really spring to mind who'd belong in the top 20 are Alonso and Schumacher. I'm probably missing one or two, but there's definitely no-one else in the current crop that would deserve to be there.

Vettel is definitely in the top 20. If you've got multiple WDC, you're in. There are 15 of those. That leaves 5 spots open to fill with a mix of single world champs (Rindt, Nige) and the fast but unlucky (Moss, Gilles).

 

[brotkasten]

I know but I can't stop thinking of Toro Rosso as Minardi. They should have kept the name.

Toro Rosso is a good name for an Italian Red Bull team.

 

[AndyD]

Wooow, and I thought the Sky intro was bad

I am surprised it did not get posted earlier. They played it on Speed before each showing.

 

[Diablohead]

The bionic button, lol

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

That is hilarious. It's so American.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

Wow, I can't remember it ever being as bad in years past. That almost wraps around to amazing. Almost.

 

[Phanatic8390]

Oh god. I can't believe I missed that. They could turn that into a Saturday morning cartoon.

 

[brotkasten]

"The Bionic Button" is really hilarious, but Hamilton as two-face is pretty accurate.

 

[Zeppu]

Haven't found a YT link to the BBC race intro. Found the one for the quals but not for the race.

 

[Big Takeover]

The guy doing the VO is Sam Posey who was a solid sports car racer back in the 70's, and a TV guy for many many years. Sadly he suffers from Parkinson's now, but still gets involved with racing by doing these intros. They're always a bit corny (in this case very!), but I'm willing to cut him some slack.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

That is hilarious. It's so American.

It's like the F1 factor.

 

[NihonTiger90]

That is your future, Britain. Enjoy your News Corp. broadcast F1.

 

[NihonTiger90]

Haven't found a YT link to the BBC race intro. Found the one for the quals but not for the race.

Oh my gosh that's amazing.

 

[Zeppu]

Oh my gosh that's amazing.

The intro tune alone (The Chain) gets my blood boiling for F1.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

I'll be watching the BBC highlights soon..

I can't wait for next race