Mortrialus
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This is fucking disgusting.
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Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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This is fucking disgusting.
Deified Data
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I agree. I don't understand why people are confused about this.
MightyHealthy
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You're dismissing:
- Zimmerman's 911 call where he is advised to NOT pursue, and to meet with police
- The 911 callers who insist it was Trayvon screaming for help
- the fact that the screaming stopped with the gunshot
Denying the obvious? Collaborating with Zimmerman's tattered ass story? Really?
How do you function? You apparently lack common sense, compassion, and decency.
enzom, I think equap was mocking KodMoS's "point" and broken english.
Ignis Fatuus
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I thought it was Trayvon that was crying but a Witness states that it was Zimmerman because he saw them fighting directly in front of his house. You guys can get mad all you want, I'm just reporting what a Witness stated.
Also, the one asking for help can stop once he shoots someone.
Devolution
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Ignis Fatuus
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The witness also stated that the cops told her to change her story. You are a cunt.
Not to drive-by, as I've been okay with just following the discussion, but I heard a segment on NPR today where a Sanford city official claimed the screams were Zimmerman's. Her tone, incredibly harsh and dismissive, made my stomach churn. Disgusting stuff.
Reallink
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So you recognize it had nothing to do with the story? Thanks, you're right. I already explained it was an unrelated example used to demonstrate when an unarmed teenager might pose a threat to an adult--as the posters assertion was that it could never happen. These random gang related beatings just happened to be the first thing that popped in my head. Maybe subconsciously that was because Trayvon was black. I didn't intend it that way, but it's certainly possible. Whether my subconscious racially profiles or not, it's clear I wasn't suggesting Trayvon was a gang member as you guys like to imply.
right. i mean he was telling the truth that Trayvon attacked him and he killed him in self defense.
Mortrialus
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Don't let him get to you. You're taking it a bit too far. If a mod comes in here and cleans up, you'll get banned for that comment.
He's speaking about a male witness. What is with this shitty tone?
Aaronology
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Well, Zimmerman just got kicked out of his college.
Probably the least of his worries at this point, though.
Particle Physicist
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I thought you were mister logic, scientific method? Police are supposed to gather the information and then see which information is relavent/credible, they aren't supposed to correct some information in order to match other information gathered. Don't make excuses for this shit.
Ignis Fatuus
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It's allowed when it's warranted, and he really earned it.
According to him, it doesn't matter.
la flama blanca
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I just want to warn anyone from engaging in a discussion with this guy. His tag is 100%.
What are you reading? I'm not justifying the correction in any way, I'm saying that if other witnesses said it was Zimmerman screaming and this is the reason why the woman was corrected, that is a relevant piece of information to this discussion. It doesn't make the correction any better. The key is whether Zimmerman or Trayvon screaming was supported by witness statements.
Common sense? Seriously, it's not that hard to understand, and I can't believe I have to explain myself over and over again. It's pretty obvious that people are choose to be biased.
911 callers did hear someone screaming for help, but they did not see who was the one creaming for help.
Do you understand that?
Witness states he opened his door and saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was the one asking for help. This Witness saw and heard Zimmerman cry for help. Just because it was a high pitched voice, doesn't mean it was Trayvon's. In the court of law, they're going to take an eye Witness testimony over someone who just heard someone scream for help.
Zimmerman could have stopped crying for help once he shot Martin.
Deified Data
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It's never really warranted, guy. Do yourself a favor and keep the moral high ground. I disagree with KodMos but he's doing a better job of keeping his cool than half this thread.
Devolution
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Name this thread to Merry Go Round. Spin around enough times, get dizzy, almost puke. I mean we have people defending Zimmerman still, we already had stereotyping Trayvon due to his race, hell we even had the "learn what to wear when going out at night while black" crew, I dare to think what next line of stupidity will come forth.
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... It's not relevant at all why he corrected her. The fact that she was corrected at all is relevant. It goes against all scientific principles. You are trying to bring up some sort of validity to the issue. If it doesn't make the correcting any better, what exactly is the point you are trying to make?
MightyHealthy
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I agree with you, I really do. I can't help but believe we're getting trolled, though.
It's not worth a temp ban to call these guys out with expletives, be here when we celebrate this guy finally getting arrested.
The witness that gave this statement was a man, not a woman. Two different witnesses.
empty vessel
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I actually disagree with this, and I think the college could face some repercussions for it. Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty and I don't think the college can defend its decision to oust him because of the controversy. If Zimmerman is not safe there, then Zimmerman can decide not to go. The idea that this was done for the safety of others violates his presumption of innocence.
Why would it be an important detail?
He instigated a confrontation by approaching unprovoked despite being told not to, he shot and killed Trayvon. With those two facts alone I have never seen such an open and shut case, he is guilty as shit and it doesn't even matter how it went between the instigation and the result, those two facts alone should mean an arrest at bare minimum. He can't claim defense by being the instigator and it is a fact his action lead to Trayvon's death. The only thing worth arguing over is what precisely he gets charged with not "IF" he should get charged. At minimum he needs to be charged with manslaughter charges and taken to court.
The travesty of all this is he is still walking free and allowed to carry a gun thanks to the woefully incompetent or corrupt Sanford Police force.
I mean we can talk semantics about what both parties intentions were, or how everything played down; whatever the result there is enough evidence to arrest him, and every day it hasn't happened there is reason for people to get emotional about it.
When was this?
Devolution
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By all means let's keep harping on one witness despite the audio tapes, the acknowledgment of witness tampering, the fact that Zimmerman stalked this kid, the fact that he exited his vehicle, the fact that he did so with a weapon, the fact that Trayvon's friend heard him ask why someone was following him and the other witness statements. I'm guessing this one witness who also talked to the police can negate all of the above with just his testimony.
So what do you think about the story then? Do you think Trayvon was up to no good and Zimmerman shot him justifiably? I'm really interested in knowing your perspective.
If this Witness gives his testimony for the defense and states the same thing, can they prove he's lying?
If you're that interested, then you should have read my post.
You still are not understanding. Read over what I wrote, and ignore the username. Just read the words. Don't get mad, don't react with your gut, just look at the words.
Devolution
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They can definitely ask him how the investigation proceeded. The cops are never supposed to suggest anything. It's apparent with other witnesses they did and overtly. So there could easily be doubt over whether his testimony is actually what he saw or what transpired.
Ignis Fatuus
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That would probably be because he adopts the same circular logic and repeats the same lines with infuriating obstinacy. Witness tampering is apparently no reason to suspect impropriety in the investigation, he thinks the voice on the tape is a grown ass man, and he's ignoring the original account which said that it was Trayvon yelling--beyond that, he's calling all of the above "nothing." No matter how much logic or evidence you throw at him, he says the same damn thing over and over as though nothing new has been presented.
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Care to answer the question: 'what is your point?' instead of acting snarky?
The way I see it, you are saying one thing, while attempting to do another. 'What this man did was wrong, but this information, is totally relevant.'
How is the information relevant? Motivation on the part of the police plays no part in this specific discussion. The fact that the police did that basically amounts to witness tampering. Several witnesses have come forth to say that police either changed their story or dismissed them. The reasoning behind why they did this DOES NOT MATTER. The only possible explanation for why you are doing this, that I can come up with, is that you are attempting to sort of defend them, all the while claiming that you are not defending them.
Vicetrailia
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It's chilling to listen to the kid yelling for help. How anyone thinks that zimmerman is beyond me.
The facts are:
- he ignored the police and chased after a black man
- he called the man a racial slur
- he confronted, and then shot and killed the unarmed man trying to run away from him.
The college is not a court, and the facts above are reason enough to kick out such a person.
Also, the "stand your ground" law would make it acceptable for Travyon to defend himself "force on force" so how the shooting happened is irrelevant, since Zimmerman was armed, Travyon had every right to defend himself by shooting Zimmerman.
Deified Data
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I agree with you. He's wrong. He's sticking around to save face.
It's already been stated, but I'll say it again: he's not worth getting banned over.
ShinNL
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People believe that even Bruce Lee, while being an amazing legendary martial artist, will have his difficulties against bigger weights martial artists, simply there's only so much you can do with the size difference.
ITT people believe a teenager can beat up someone weighing 120 freaking pounds more. Oh yeah, this teenager was running away in the first place, his first sentence to that man who catched up are "Why are you following me?", but then suddenly turns into a god of war.
Right.
You know what they call people with a lack of common sense?
ITT people believe a teenager can beat up someone weighing 120 freaking pounds more. Oh yeah, this teenager was running away in the first place, his first sentence to that man who catched up are "Why are you following me?", but then suddenly turns into a god of war.
Right.
You know what they call people with a lack of common sense?
You're assuming they tampered his testimony based on what other Witnesses have said.
This Witness that gave an interview to a News Reporter states what he saw. The only reason why you think the police tampered with his statement is because you disagree with what he said.
Witnesses who did not see the fight believe it was Trayvon because it sounded like a young kids voice. That doesn't mean it wasn't Zimmerman's, that's just making a pure assumption. A grown man can have a high pitched voice if he's screaming, and that's a fact.
I'm not supporting Zimmerman, all I'm saying is that this Witness stated that he saw Zimmerman asking for help.
empty vessel
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The college is a state entity. And those aren't the "facts." Those are allegations (and not even the State's allegations at this point to boot). The college's actions aren't legal, and frankly they threaten the integrity of any prosecution against Zimmerman.
Bumblebeetuna
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Then who gives a flying fuck?
This thread moves so fast it's hard to see who's arguing what, unless you were here from the beginning. Especially with you doing an about face and going all reallink/kharvey on us. But ya I saw your original post, so I'd say the attacks on you have been unwarranted for the most part. You should really make it more obvious that you're not in defense of zimmerman, because with this thread moving so fast it sure looked like it.
No it's not--the school's statement is not based on a presumption of guilt, it's based on the reality of controversy. They do not feel they have the ability to keep students--and Mr. Zimmerman--safe in light of that's happened.
I'm assuming the college reserves the right to boot you for any number of reasons, of which this would be one. That guy shows up at school, it will get violent (he won't be the aggressor this time), and they're acting to prevent that.
ShinNL
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It's actually pretty easy to follow. You have some dudes making hypothetical situations, new evidence pops up and proves them wrong, they make up new hypothetical situations, pretending they were never wrong, cycle continues. Look at the beginning of the thread and read every troll post knowing the evidence there is out now. It's funny and embarrassing.
This guy gave a testimony days after it happened. If this case goes to court, then the defense is going to use him as a Witnesses, which will in fact support Zimmerman's site of the story.
The prosecution will need proof that the cops coerced the Witness, and heresy will not have much support in this matter.
It was evident in my post that I said the Witness supports Zimmerman's side of the story. You guys can get angry all you want, I'm just reporting what the Witness said to a news reporter. Other than that, I believe Martin was the one acting in self defense and that he was the aggressor in this situation, based on what we know now.
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