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[G.O.O.]

Oh, he definately WAS polarizing. But he was also energic, so he looked like something we needed after Chirac.

But it was "polarizing", not just "hated". I'll say it again : his bilan sucks and the crisis isn't enough to excuse him. Of course he still can win (and that's a really fucking scary thought...) but compared to 2007 ? We're not even close.

And I'm really not convinced that the hatred towards him is the sole reason why people consider Hollande as more competent. That seems delusional. Hollande is still flamby but he is well advised. Royal wasn't.

 

[Mael]

Oh, he definately WAS polarizing. But he was also energic, so he looked like something we needed after Chirac.

But it was "polarizing", not just "hated". I'll say it again : his bilan sucks and the crisis isn't enough to excuse him. Of course he still can win (and that's a really fucking scary thought...) but compared to 2007 ? We're not even close.

And I'm really not convinced that the hatred towards him is the sole reason why people consider Hollande as more competent. That seems delusional. Hollande is still flamby but he is well advised. Royal wasn't.

His bilan sucked back then too.
Heck he was the most important minister of Chirac for most of the time and people found him to be different god knows why.
Flamby is better advised but he still sucks as a candidate (or even politician), he's more like Balladur than anything if you ask me : someone people expect to rule but not someone people want to rule.
His propositions are shitty and basically could have been made in 1995 or 2002 for that matter.
Sarkozy in that way is really less scary than him because at least he acknowledge that the situation is not the same as 10 years ago.

 

[Kafel]

Oh, he definately WAS polarizing. But he was also energic, so he looked like something we needed after Chirac.

But it was "polarizing", not just "hated". I'll say it again : his bilan sucks and the crisis isn't enough to excuse him. Of course he still can win (and that's a really fucking scary thought...) but compared to 2007 ? We're not even close.

And I'm really not convinced that the hatred towards him is the sole reason why people consider Hollande as more competent. That seems delusional. Hollande is still flamby but he is well advised. Royal wasn't.

At the end, it will still be about the reason vs the heart. Hollande is advised not to talk too much right now and he is still surfing on the hatred for Sarkozy.

Sarkozy will DESTROY him in the debate. Each time Hollande will be pressed to explain how and where he plans to spend/save money, he will be pushed in a corner and beat down.

But people don't like Sarkozy so they won't care, unless they listen to the reason.

machine a soda

 

[G.O.O.]

His bilan sucked back then too.
Heck he was the most important minister of Chirac for most of the time and people found him to be different god knows why.
Flamby is better advised but he still sucks as a candidate (or even politician), he's more like Balladur than anything if you ask me : someone people expect to rule but not someone people want to rule.
His propositions are shitty and basically could have been made in 1995 or 2002 for that matter.
Sarkozy in that way is really less scary than him because at least he acknowledge that the situation is not the same as 10 years ago.

Then again, who do we want to see as a president ?

It's not the only parameter. The right wing has ruled for 10 years now so we expect it to change, and it would be a good thing too - and not just for democracy. As I said earlier I don't look that much the candidate's proposals, only to know who I'm dealing with. I'd love to debate about how Sarko's proposals I've heard of seem completely WTF to me - like leaving Schengen or pushing the industry in a service-based society - but in English it would be a pain in the ass, so feel free to PM me in French if you want to get into this.

But people don't like Sarkozy so they won't care, unless they listen to the reason

I'm not sure we could call it a triumph of the reason if we see someone still talking about immigration as a problem in 2012 get re-elected after costing us so much.

But I have the feeling we're not going to agree here, so as I said earlier => PM if you want.

 

[Kurtofan]

Arthaud criticized her political opponents for suspending campaign, calling it "an electoral coup".
http://www.europe1.fr/Politique/Arthaud-le-coup-electoral-des-concurrents-998879/

She's probably right, but that's still a bit callous.

 

[G.O.O.]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind if someone in this campaign reacted to the shootings by pointing at the hate speech produced by some of our politics. On the other hand, that probably wouldn't end with a polite debate...

Arthaud's reaction is unfortunate. Yes, it's political, but forbidding politicians to do something for this sole reason doesn't make any sense.

 

[Kurtofan]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind if someone in this campaign reacted to the shootings by pointing at the hate speech produced by some of our politics. On the other hand, that probably wouldn't end with a polite debate...

Arthaud's reaction is unfortunate. Yes, it's political, but forbidding politicians to do something for this sole reason doesn't make any sense.

Well didn't Hollande and Melenchon say something about that?

 

[Mael]

Then again, who do we want to see as a president ?

It's not the only parameter. The right wing has ruled for 10 years now so we expect it to change, and it would be a good thing too - and not just for democracy. As I said earlier I don't look that much the candidate's proposals, only to know who I'm dealing with. I'd love to debate about how Sarko's proposals I've heard of seem completely WTF to me - like leaving Schengen or pushing the industry in a service-based society - but in English it would be a pain in the ass, so feel free to PM me in French if you want to get into this.

It's not even true that the right has ruled for 10 years straight anyway.
They don't have any control on everything the population see and use every day, they've lost all local elections of the past 10 years and since the right have pushed for 'decentralisation' they have ZERO control over what happens in most parts.
And seeing the mess they're doing in pretty much everything I wouldn't trust the leader of PACA region with anything for example.

For Sarkozy, again, the good point is he's known for not keeping his promise so it's the best case really since leaving Shengen or whathaveyou will be forgotten by the time the 2nd part of the election is done.

I'm not sure we could call it a triumph of the reason if we see someone still talking about immigration as a problem in 2012 get re-elected after costing us so much.

But I have the feeling we're not going to agree here, so as I said earlier => PM if you want.

the problem of the triumph of reason is not that Sarkozy wins, it's that Hollande WILL lose because he's so bad.

 

[G.O.O.]

Well didn't Hollande and Melenchon say something about that?

I don't know TBH. If they did, it looks like it's not going any further.

It's not even true that the right has ruled for 10 years straight anyway.
They don't have any control on everything the population see and use every day, they've lost all local elections of the past 10 years and since the right have pushed for 'decentralisation' they have ZERO control over what happens in most parts.
And seeing the mess they're doing in pretty much everything I wouldn't trust the leader of PACA region with anything for example.

I agree that they don't control anything but not for the same reasons.

If you're saying that the state has no control over people's lives, well, who am I to say the opposite ?

For Sarkozy, again, the good point is he's known for not keeping his promise so it's the best case really since leaving Shengen or whathaveyou will be forgotten by the time the 2nd part of the election is done.

So now not keeping promises is an argument in favor of someone ?

the problem of the triumph of reason is not that Sarkozy wins, it's that Hollande WILL lose because he's so bad.

I think Hollande should win, at least mechanically. Everyone predicted that Sarkozy entering the campaign would change everything and nothing big happened, he barely managed to get ahead of the 1st round, which should be the norm to every incumbent president.

But you seem more sure of yourself than I am, so...

 

[Mael]

I agree that they don't control anything but not for the same reasons.

If you're saying that the state has no control over people's lives, well, who am I to say the opposite ?

I mean that for the whole administration they've got actually suprising little control overall.
It's nowhere like the sweeping majorities the US president usually enjoy.

So now not keeping promises is an argument in favor of someone ?

For Sarkozy? Most certainly! His program is probably like in 2007 : downright horrible.
If he did what he said in 2007 we'd be in deeper shit right now that's for sure.

I think Hollande should win, at least mechanically. Everyone predicted that Sarkozy entering the campaign would change everything and nothing big happened, he barely managed to get ahead of the 1st round, which should be the norm to every incumbent president.

But you seem more sure of yourself than I am, so...

Hollande is an indecisive, incoherent leader. He's pretty much the worst thing PS ever got after Jospin decided to exile himself.
And again Sarkozy has been impopular for a very long time now....pretty much 2007 or 2008.
He was polling at less than 30% as far back as 2009.
He's always been the challenger.

Hollande is really not very good at this, his propostions show that.

 

[G.O.O.]

I mean that for the whole administration they've got actually suprising little control overall

And yet it's often the state that is the more blamed by people. That's why almost every region is owned by the left now => right-wing president gets elected, unemployment increases, uneffective laws are passed, people vote against the majority at local elections to punish it.

For Sarkozy? Most certainly! His program is probably like in 2007 : downright horrible.
If he did what he said in 2007 we'd be in deeper shit right now that's for sure.

In 2007 I only looked at the social part of his program and I think I didn't expect it to be that bad. Economy is important but it baffles me that no one talks about well-being in France, while we're one of the worst western countries when it comes to happiness at work or even general optimism. I believe that will count aswell.

Back to the economy, I think he and Merkel already did a pretty good job at expanding the greek crisis to the whole continent, and that certainly wasn't in his 2007 program.

Also, now that gaf works again, I can backpedal and say that the Toulouse events may give the little guy a good kick in the polls

 

[Kurtofan]

Part of the NPA's direction (Poutou's party) calls for people to vote for Melenchon!
http://www.europe1.fr/Politique/Une-partie-du-NPA-appelle-a-voter-Melenchon-1000749/

I don't understand what the hell Arthaud and Poutou are even doing here to be honest.

 

[G.O.O.]

Trotskists, anticapitalists and antiliberals.

That's completely different.

 

[Kafel]

Part of the NPA's direction (Poutou's party) calls for people to vote for Melenchon!
http://www.europe1.fr/Politique/Une-partie-du-NPA-appelle-a-voter-Melenchon-1000749/

I don't understand what the hell Arthaud and Poutou are even doing here to be honest.

I like watching Poutou on Tv. He entertains me a lot. The guy seems as dumb as rocks and he has like only two lines. So each time I see him on Tv I finish his sentences at the same time he does and I have a laugh.

I don't know if it answers your question though.

 

[Mael]

And yet it's often the state that is the more blamed by people. That's why almost every region is owned by the left now => right-wing president gets elected, unemployment increases, uneffective laws are passed, people vote against the majority at local elections to punish it.

Laws don't do everything, actually since part of my work is implementing some of them I can tell you that I'd be way happier if they could just fucking stop changing the rules of the game every 2 days.
And why do they do that?
Because that's the only way they can be seen as being doing anything at all since they don't have control of the local administrations.
And since the local administrations are being directed by outright morons whatever laws are passed the situation will not improve and thus we have our never ending cycle of suck.

In 2007 I only looked at the social part of his program and I think I didn't expect it to be that bad. Economy is important but it baffles me that no one talks about well-being in France, while we're one of the worst western countries when it comes to happiness at work or even general optimism. I believe that will count aswell.

Happiness at work is not something that is supposed to be on the scope of the president or even the parliament.
It's not exactly Sarkozy's fault that people are killing themselve at France Telecom.
His social program was exactly as shitty as what he did actually.
His whole program was a never circle jerk of stupidity, that people didn't see it that way and elected him anyway is not exactly my problem.
They wanted him and they got him, so they can't complain now.

Back to the economy, I think he and Merkel already did a pretty good job at expanding the greek crisis to the whole continent, and that certainly wasn't in his 2007 program.

If they'd let the bank down we'd be in worse shit now.
With half our banks in the shitter I don't see how it could have been in any way better than the situation we have now.

Also, now that gaf works again, I can backpedal and say that the Toulouse events may give the little guy a good kick in the polls

It most certainly will make Lepen drop because she'll try to take advantage of this and thus end up backfiring on it.
Heck he was pretty good on that event.

 

[G.O.O.]

Laws don't do everything, actually since part of my work is implementing some of them I can tell you that I'd be way happier if they could just fucking stop changing the rules of the game every 2 days.
And why do they do that?
Because that's the only way they can be seen as being doing anything at all since they don't have control of the local administrations.
And since the local administrations are being directed by outright morons whatever laws are passed the situation will not improve and thus we have our never ending cycle of suck.

I agree about the uselessness of most of the laws, but I don't think the "1 fait divers = 1 loi" dogma really helped here.

It's gesticulation. Sarkozy is good at this.

Happiness at work is not something that is supposed to be on the scope of the president or even the parliament.
It's not exactly Sarkozy's fault that people are killing themselve at France Telecom.

So why is it a French problem ? And how could we properly reform if all we get is people being more and more discouraged ?

There are reasons why things are like this. Our syndicates don't work, because they lack transparency and because no one trust them - as a result, our syndication rate is very, very low. It's not just about workers, we all know how complicated it is to start your own company here, opposed to, say, inheriting it.

So no, it's not Sarkozy's fault, but it pisses me to see that he (and the other candidates, let's be fair) ignores all this to push his agenda.

If they'd let the bank down we'd be in worse shit now.
With half our banks in the shitter I don't see how it could have been in any way better than the situation we have now.

I'm not talking about the banks, I'm talking about treating the Greek crisis as a European problem instead of letting the IMF do the work, like they always do in these situations. So we had Merkel and sarko, both doing their best to act as leaders, trying to sell austerity to a country with no perspective of growth, as many times as we've heard "plan de la dernière chance" whithin three years.

Fun fact is, I don't know if it would have been the same if when everything started, the IMF was directed by Lagarde instead of DSK.

 

[G.O.O.]

Oh look, Sarkozy promises new laws, how about that ?

"Toute personne qui consultera de manière habituelle les sites internet qui font l'apologie du terrorisme sera punie pénalement."

"Toute personne se rendant à l'étranger pour y suivre des travaux d'endoctrinement sera punie pénalement".

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/soci...lutter-contre-l-apologie-de-l-extremisme.html

Time to post this :

 

[Mistouze]

This SOME bullshit. What do the american say about exchanging liberties for security?

 

[Kurtofan]

This SOME bullshit. What do the american say about exchanging liberties for security?

They say it's a patriot act?

 

[ComputerMKII]

Mélenchon just got ahead of Marine Le Pen in the polls, with a small margin. Mélenchon, Le Pen and Bayrou are now tying for a third place, with about 13% of the 'votes' each.

Also, Sarkozy just went ahead of Hollande in the first round polls but is still expected to lose in the second.

 

[G.O.O.]

This SOME bullshit. What do the american say about exchanging liberties for security?

Also, he didn't explain how he'll vote them since the assembly won't round up until the election.

 

[Kurtofan]

Also, he didn't explain how he'll vote them since the assembly won't round up until the election.

Well it's one of his electoral promises now I guess.

 

[G.O.O.]

Certainly. However, he spoke as a president, not as a candidate.

 

[Mistouze]

They say it's a patriot act?

I was thinking of Benjamin Franklin! You got me good hehehe.

 

[G.O.O.]

Also, he didn't explain how he'll vote them since the assembly won't round up until the election.

Apparently they'll try to call an extraordinary session of the parliament, but that won't happen if the left doesn't want it.

We all know where this is going...

 

[G.O.O.]

 

[Kurtofan]

http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/01012398092-securite-sarkozy-accuse-hollande-de-finasser

Reading this,you can feel that Sarko is happy as fuck that national security is at the center of the attention now!

It sounds more like a humorist than a candidate.

 

[Mael]

sorry for the so very late reply, I do have vacations sometimes.

Mélenchon just got ahead of Marine Le Pen in the polls, with a small margin. Mélenchon, Le Pen and Bayrou are now tying for a third place, with about 13% of the 'votes' each.

Also, Sarkozy just went ahead of Hollande in the first round polls but is still expected to lose in the second.

Good now, if Lepen could fade into the obscurity she belongs to, we could have a proper campaign...no?

I agree about the uselessness of most of the laws, but I don't think the "1 fait divers = 1 loi" dogma really helped here.

It's gesticulation. Sarkozy is good at this.

It's actually the only thing our politicians ever do.
Look up the candidates' programms, it's so full of law I'll still get more work for stupid laws....

So why is it a French problem ? And how could we properly reform if all we get is people being more and more discouraged ?

It's a French problem but not a French politician problem.
And certainly not the scope of the president!
Heck If people are that unhappy they can still make their own job and make a company, that might not work for everyone and every job but that would at least provide more work for jobless people

There are reasons why things are like this. Our syndicates don't work, because they lack transparency and because no one trust them - as a result, our syndication rate is very, very low. It's not just about workers, we all know how complicated it is to start your own company here, opposed to, say, inheriting it.

Our syndicates are more interested in trying to defend their own advantages than in doing anything good.
They're pretty much the only one to blame if Air France is in the shitter now.

So no, it's not Sarkozy's fault, but it pisses me to see that he (and the other candidates, let's be fair) ignores all this to push his agenda.

Can't disagree here.

I'm not talking about the banks, I'm talking about treating the Greek crisis as a European problem instead of letting the IMF do the work, like they always do in these situations. So we had Merkel and sarko, both doing their best to act as leaders, trying to sell austerity to a country with no perspective of growth, as many times as we've heard "plan de la dernière chance" whithin three years.

Their analysis was pretty simple i think, since it's a country part of the EU they have to treat it first.
After all it IS a part of the EU and we shouldn't let people outside the EU deal with this.
Now I'm no specialist of international economy so I can't if it'd have been better with or witout the EU's help.

Fun fact is, I don't know if it would have been the same if when everything started, the IMF was directed by Lagarde instead of DSK.

Well we'd have DSK as the PS candidate instead of Hollande :lol

 

[G.O.O.]

So what's the etiquette when the person you're answering to is banned ?

It's actually the only thing our politicians ever do.
Look up the candidates' programms, it's so full of law I'll still get more work for stupid laws....

The programs don't mean that the candidate that'll be elected will make a speech and new laws against bears every time a bear kills a child in the Pyrénées.

It's a French problem but not a French politician problem.
And certainly not the scope of the president!
Heck If people are that unhappy they can still make their own job and make a company, that might not work for everyone and every job but that would at least provide more work for jobless people

I disagree. You're running a country, not a company.

Their analysis was pretty simple i think, since it's a country part of the EU they have to treat it first.
After all it IS a part of the EU and we shouldn't let people outside the EU deal with this.

The way the EU is built makes it problematic. Greece is part of the eurozone but still a sovereign country. Because of this, Merkel & Sarko had reasons to take care of it (and I mean electoral reasons aswell) but it's not their job, and they certainly weren't competent enough for it.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Latest poll:

 

[Meadows]

Eva Joly's glasses

why

 

[Magni]

Mélenchon... And Bayrou

 

[Bento]

Latest poll:

Does it seem likely that Bayrou and Le Pen voters will vote Sarkozy in the second round? I'm seeing mentions in this thread of Hollande winning the second round but going by that poll the Right does seem to hold the advantage atm.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Does it seem likely that Bayrou and Le Pen voters will vote Sarkozy in the second round?

Likely? Yes, but how many? That's very hard to tell.

I'm seeing mentions in this thread of Hollande winning the second round but going by that poll the Right does seem to hold the advantage atm.

Hollande may be second in the first round but he's guaranteed to get Mélenchon's votes in the second, so he's still the favorite.

 

[Alx]

Mélenchon... And Bayrou

The annoying thing with French politics is that people usually like to vote for big mouths, rather than political programs. There is a tradition for charismatic but completely out of touch candidates, especially in the extremes (Mélenchon, Besancenot, Laguillier, Marchais... and of course the Le Pen family).
The current campaign seems to be one of the worst of this genre, with the two "big" candidates bickering at each other, Mélenchon and Le Pen fighting for third place, and everybody else too quiet to be heard (or too ridiculous to count).

 

[Kurtofan]

Does it seem likely that Bayrou and Le Pen voters will vote Sarkozy in the second round? I'm seeing mentions in this thread of Hollande winning the second round but going by that poll the Right does seem to hold the advantage atm.

There was a polls that went: Bayrou voters:60 for Hollande, 40 for Sarko. Le Pen voters:40 for Sarko, 20 for Hollande and the rest doesn't vote.

Melenchon voters are like 80 for Hollande, then abstention.

 

[G.O.O.]

Today's polls give Sarkozy gaining ground on first round but regressing on 2nd.

The Mélenchon effect...

 

[Kurtofan]

Today's polls give Sarkozy gaining ground on first round but regressing on 2nd.

The Mélenchon effect...

Damn I hope Melenchon doesn't wreck everything for Hollande.
Melenchon voters are in for one hell of a hangover if they have to vote Sarko in the second round.

 

[G.O.O.]

Damn I hope Melenchon doesn't wreck everything for Hollande.

We're not there yet. He's hurting Poutou and Arthaud (and possibly Joly) more than Hollande.

 

[G.O.O.]

Sarkozy unveiled his program.

1- Recours au référendum quand nécessaire pour surmonter les blocages.

2- Réduction des sièges de parlementaires et dose de proportionnelle aux élections législatives.

3- Équilibre des comptes publics en 2016, en associant les grandes collectivités locales à l'effort de réduction de la dépense.

4- Allègement des charges salariales.

5- Accords emploi compétitivité.

6- Hausse du salaire net des salariés de 840 euros par an pour les 7 millions de salariés qui gagnent entre 1 000 et 1 400 euros via l'intégration de la prime pour l'emploi.

7- Sept heures d'activité d'intérêt général obligatoire par semaine pour les titulaires du RSA.

8- Droit à la formation pour tous les chômeurs et obligation d'accepter un emploi.

9- Alternance généralisée pour la dernière année du bac pro et du CAP. Les élèves passeront 50 % de leur temps en entreprise.

10- Exonération de charges patronales pour l'embauche de salariés de plus de 55 ans.

11- Suppression de deux normes pour une créée.

12- Réciprocité dans les échanges commerciaux en Europe.

13- Réserver une partie des commandes publiques aux PME européennes comme le font les Etats-Unis pour leurs propres PME.

14- Impôt sur les exilés fiscaux.

15- Impôt minimal sur les grands groupes, assis dans une premier temps sur le chiffre d'affaires mondial.

16- Retraites payées le 1er du mois au lieu du 8.

17- Il faudra savoir lire et écrire en entrant au collège.

18- Hausse de la présence des professeurs au collège

19- Banque de la jeunesse.

20- Hausse de 30 % des droits à construire dans les 3 ans.

21- Division par deux dans les cinq ans des droits de mutation sur résidences principales.

22- Réduire de moitié immigration.

23- Regroupement familial conditionné à la connaissance de la langue française.

24- Exiger que l'Europe contrôle ses frontières. Si dans un an, la question n'est pas réglée, la France rétablira des contrôles ciblés à ses frontières.

25- Réformer la justice des mineurs.

26- Droit d'appel des victimes dans les cours d'assises, en correctionnelle et lors des remises en liberté.

27- Réforme de la dépendance.

28- 200 000 places de garde d'enfants supplémentaires.

29- Accueil des étudiants handicapés amélioré dans les lycées et universités.

30- Second plan de rénovation urbaine de 18 milliards d'euros.

31- Création de 750 maisons de santé pluridisciplinaires.

32- Confirmer le choix du nucléaire.

No big surprise. Except for #16, obviously to please old people (who mostly vote for him anyway).

Also, he wants to freeze France's contribution to EU budget...

 

[ComputerMKII]

1- Recours au référendum quand nécessaire pour surmonter les blocages.

Nice but demagogic.

2- Réduction des sièges de parlementaires et dose de proportionnelle aux élections législatives.

I'll believe it when I see it.

3- Équilibre des comptes publics en 2016, en associant les grandes collectivités locales à l'effort de réduction de la dépense.

He had five fucking years to do it.

4- Allègement des charges salariales.

And more taxes somewhere else at the same time?

5- Accords emploi compétitivité.

?

6- Hausse du salaire net des salariés de 840 euros par an pour les 7 millions de salariés qui gagnent entre 1 000 et 1 400 euros via l'intégration de la prime pour l'emploi.

Shit.

7- Sept heures d'activité d'intérêt général obligatoire par semaine pour les titulaires du RSA.

Shit.

8- Droit à la formation pour tous les chômeurs et obligation d'accepter un emploi.

Shit.

9- Alternance généralisée pour la dernière année du bac pro et du CAP. Les élèves passeront 50 % de leur temps en entreprise.

Meh/why not?

10- Exonération de charges patronales pour l'embauche de salariés de plus de 55 ans.

I'll believe it when I see it.

11- Suppression de deux normes pour une créée.

?

12- Réciprocité dans les échanges commerciaux en Europe.

Says the guy who threatened to leave the Schengen zone without notice.

13- Réserver une partie des commandes publiques aux PME européennes comme le font les Etats-Unis pour leurs propres PME.

Ever heard of free market?

14- Impôt sur les exilés fiscaux.

Shit.

15- Impôt minimal sur les grands groupes, assis dans une premier temps sur le chiffre d'affaires mondial.

Shit.

16- Retraites payées le 1er du mois au lieu du 8.

Whatever.

17- Il faudra savoir lire et écrire en entrant au collège.

If only...

18- Hausse de la présence des professeurs au collège

I guess that explains the new taxes...

19- Banque de la jeunesse.

Shit.

20- Hausse de 30 % des droits à construire dans les 3 ans.

Whatever.

21- Division par deux dans les cinq ans des droits de mutation sur résidences principales.

?

22- Réduire de moitié immigration.

Shit.

23- Regroupement familial conditionné à la connaissance de la langue française.

Meh/not sure.

24- Exiger que l'Europe contrôle ses frontières. Si dans un an, la question n'est pas réglée, la France rétablira des contrôles ciblés à ses frontières.

Might as well vote for the FN, they'd actually do it.

25- Réformer la justice des mineurs.

You had five years to do it.

26- Droit d'appel des victimes dans les cours d'assises, en correctionnelle et lors des remises en liberté.

Whatever.

27- Réforme de la dépendance.

Whatever.

28- 200 000 places de garde d'enfants supplémentaires.

Shit.

29- Accueil des étudiants handicapés amélioré dans les lycées et universités.

Depends on how it's financed, but good idea.

30- Second plan de rénovation urbaine de 18 milliards d'euros.

?

31- Création de 750 maisons de santé pluridisciplinaires.

?

32- Confirmer le choix du nucléaire.

We need a debate on this.

 

[G.O.O.]

11- Suppression de deux normes pour une créée.

?

I think that's as stupid as it sounds.

EDIT : here's his letter to the French : http://www.lafranceforte.fr/lettreauxfrancais/

Il faut libérer les énergies. Nous avons atteint le seuil maximum de normes dans notre pays. Les projets sont découragés avant même d’être engagés. On a remplacé la confiance par la suspicion permanente, la responsabilité par la réglementation tatillonne, l’esprit d’initiative par l’aversion au risque. Il faut libérer les créateurs, les artisans, les commerçants, les entrepreneurs individuels, les PME de l’excès des normes. Je propose une règle simple : chaque fois qu’un ministre voudra créer une nouvelle norme, il devra m’en proposer deux anciennes à supprimer. Cette règle vaudra au niveau national et au niveau européen.

LOL

 

[Kurtofan]

God, fuck Sarkozy, fuck him.


Edit:About the Nuclear love:http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/penly...-centrale-nucleaire-05-04-2012-1448773_23.php
Fire in a Nuclear plant.

LOL.

 

[ComputerMKII]

French presidential election campaign kicks off

April 09, 2012 | 10:25
PARIS. – France’s presidential election campaign kicked off officially on Monday. The first round of the elections is scheduled for April 22.

All the candidates are provided with equal time, free of charge 43 minutes on TV, controlled by the French the Supreme Audiovisual Council, Rosbalt reports.

The law also states that morning air at 8.00 a.m. is not equal to the evening 8.00 p.m.

Incumbent President Nikolas Sarkozy, Socialist Francois Hollande and Nationalist Marine Le Pen are among the top three, surveys claim.

Sarkozy and Hollande have higher chances to advance to the second round. The least famous among the candidates is the protector of France’s independence Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, while the only centrist candidate is head of the Democratic Movement (MoDem) party Francois Bayrou. Ten candidates have been registered.

http://news.am/eng/news/100452.html

 

[DiipuSurotu]

So apparently Eva Joly is using a remix of Final Fantasy X's "To Zanarkand" in her official campaign video:

http://www.pluzz.fr/election-presidentielle-2012-f3-2012-04-09-11h20.html
(skip to 18:00)

 

[ComputerMKII]

So apparently Eva Joly is using a remix of Final Fantasy X's "To Zanarkand" in her official campaign video:


(skip to 18:00)

Oh wow.

 

[Kafel]

It's on.

Now let's see the debates.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Now let's see the debates.

 

[Kurtofan]

So apparently Eva Joly is using a remix of Final Fantasy X's "To Zanarkand" in her official campaign video:

http://www.pluzz.fr/election-presidentielle-2012-f3-2012-04-09-11h20.html
(skip to 18:00)

No Sarkozy, Hollande, Poutou and Cheminade videos?

Nevermind I found them:http://www.pluzz.fr/election-presidentielle-2012-fo-2012-04-09-12h15.html

 

[G.O.O.]

After watching the vids
- Hollande's was screaming "I'm dynamic !"
- Le Pen didn't mention immigration, I was shocked
- France 2 forgot to broadcast Mélenchon ?