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Woman admits to false rape charges against her father; father set free after 11 years
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hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
This one incident "proves" that men get screwed "often"?
I know what you're trying to argue. Look how much power women have when it comes to rape charges! As long as real rapes far outnumber cases like these, that argument isn't going to get you anywhere.
"Engaging in sexual activity" doesn't necessarily mean intercourse.
This.
False rape accusations are why people treat accusers so poorly.
Blatantly false accusation (not just accusations that can't be proven) should be charged/sentenced with the same amound of time a rapist can get.
Even a rape accusation with no charge/trial can ruin your life. Good friend of mine had sex with a girl at a party (she doesn't drink so don't jump to that). After someone ratted her out for cheating on her bf she cried rape. After bf realized she was just lying/cheating he dumped her and she had no more "reason" for the accusation and dropped it. He lost his job, and probably would have to move across the country to get a job in his field (dude majored in education and was already teaching a Kindergarten class.
Dude Abides
Banned
But you do need to worry that people won't believe you.
shinobi602
Member
No, because it could prevent other people who falsely accused others of raping them from coming forward. If they get punished, others who accused innocent people might not come forward at all.
It's bullshit but yea.
No, they are worried that other people who FINALLY feel guilt won't bother to come forward with it.
It is one of those dilemmas, basically if they want to get people free, outside of a fair trial where an innocent person DOESN'T go to jail (but that is a pipe dream) they can't charge the people who come forward to let them free
I think you are ignoring a large point of it, and that is that anything involving sex it is very hard for a male to get a fair trial.
Which shows a broken system. While sex crimes (especially involving children) are a serious matter innocent until proven guilty and fair trials need to be taken just as seriously or innocent people are going to continue losing their lives.
Lord Ghirahim
Member
That's several hundred times less rare than I would like it to be.
crimsonheadGCN
Banned
True.
Vermillion
Banned
Maybe she's lying now
Despite the joking, that could very well be true.
Earthstrike
Member
If we make it the case that situations like these carry legal repurcussions, there will be no incentive for other people who have made false accusations as a child to come forward.
samus i am
Member
I read the whole article and her life is incredibly fucked up. That whole family is fucked up.
Miggytronz
Member
what a shitty situation. The whole thing. I couldnt even imagine the fathers feelings right now.
I was thinking that as well, still either way, shameful events
TheContact
Member
Holy crap. I feel so bad for that guy. Such a terrible thing to be accused of, and everyone believed her. Holy shit. I was wondering why she never got charged then I read this from the link:
Sadly it makes sense. I hope the guilt ate 11 years off her life.
Sadly it makes sense. I hope the guilt ate 11 years off her life.
shinobi602
Member
You don't fucking say?
Lock her ass up.
echoshifting
Banned
Houston3000
Member
That's horrible, poor man
that child is dead to me the moment they send me to prison for a horrible crime i didn't commit against them.
Got sentenced to jail for 11 years?
crimzonflame
Member
Her OWN father too. Thats like quadruple fucked up.
as in they convinced her to lie to set him free or they were in on the lie to begin with?
victreeb3l
Member
send the girl to prison for 11 years.
echoshifting
Banned
Let me reemphasize: I'm not even saying that would necessarily be the right thing to do, but I think it's a bit over the line to say that he definitely shouldn't.
I don't expect everyone here to get that, though. "There is nothing my child could do that would make me stop loving her/disown her/etc." is one of those things that sounds an awful lot like bullshit until you have children of your own.
Shit's complicated, is what I'm saying.
Good point. I've seen this happen too.
And what might have happened to him in prison during those 11 years.
ReBurn
Gold Member
No kidding. Even without considering the players, getting convicted of raping a child when you didn't do it is a US prison worst case scenario.
I'm talking about the public image of rape victims here.
Being accused of lying must be a horrible experience for every rape victim and now those people have another precedent to base their reasons on.
ZeroGravity
Member
Or maybe it'll make people think twice about claiming rape in instances where none took place, preventing the problem in the first place.
orientalNoodle
Banned
This guy is a failure as a father.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I honestly wouldnt feel bad if he killed her. Not that I'd condone it, but I'd understand. Dude's life is destroyed.
I'm sure you'll get convicted if the law can prove that your accusations are false, but in situations like this, everything depends on the confession.
Only very few people voluntarily go to prison.
i get that. it is your opinion that until i or others have kids and are put in such a situation that we cannot fully understand what goes through one's mind. however, if my child fucks me over like that, i will not ever speak to them again. period. end of story. and i can say that with all the confidence in the world.
i hope he absolutely doesn't forgive her and i would hope he shuts her out of his life.
ShockingAlberto
Member
While it sucks absolute shit that this was allowed to happen, and this is specifically what trials are designed to prevent, I am not sure charging her is a good idea.
If she knew she was going to be charged, or someone else in a similar situation knew they would be charged after seeing this case, they might not come forward and admit it. You'd have a hard time teaching children and teenagers about consequences, so it wouldn't serve as a deterrent, but you can at least enable people to help those they wronged get a little bit of their life back.
If she knew she was going to be charged, or someone else in a similar situation knew they would be charged after seeing this case, they might not come forward and admit it. You'd have a hard time teaching children and teenagers about consequences, so it wouldn't serve as a deterrent, but you can at least enable people to help those they wronged get a little bit of their life back.
Mortrialus
Banned
I know this is going to sound fucked up, and I think it is, but if you convicted false rape allegations, you'd never see women step up for the person they've wrongfully convicted. You seriously think she would have stepped up for her father if it meant she'd serve 1-11 years in prison?
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
And people wonder why I've historically been to afraid to initiate any sort of sexual relationship with a woman. If she lied and said afterward that I raped her, I'd be presumed guilty.
Poor man, 11 years gone forever. Bitch needs to be punished!
Poor man, 11 years gone forever. Bitch needs to be punished!
plagiarize
Banned
yep. it's a hard thing to realise, but it's better than the alternative. that's the thing so few people consider when it comes to law. it's about finding the smallest evil, because no law is going to be so water tight that it can't be abused one way or another. you just have to minimise that potential for abuse...
and given child rape cases... where you can't always expect there to be any remaining physical evidence... what else can you do but make the assumption that only a very small number of kids are going to make up something like this?
if we could draw the lines so that no one innocent ever went to jail, and no one guilty ever got away with anything, that'd be great, but here in the real world we can't.
if you have to send a few innocents to jail to send most of the criminals to jail... isn't that better than having no innocents wrongly sentanced and way more criminals out on the street?
it's not like there aren't things in place to allow for the wrongly accused to one day be released. would i like it? of course i wouldn't, but then i wouldn't like it if some previously accused and unconvicted child rapist raped my niece either.
Anton Sugar
Member
Seriously? That's your excuse?
Dude Abides
Banned
I doubt anyone wonders that.
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