Like I said, I don't think it's reasonable to go into any potential social situation with rape accusation paranoia, but I can understand why someone would think that.
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Woman admits to false rape charges against her father; father set free after 11 years
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Anton Sugar
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Yeah, you're right, because this is a consequence that happens ALL the time after sex with women.
Yeah. I think it's inconsistent that a divorced man's family who was then accused, tried, and convicted of the rape of his daughter would be released because his family wanted him out of prison. That seems to me way more of a logical leap than that she was lying the whole time to get back at him for divorcing her mother.
ViewtifulJC
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Better late then never?
it's relevant to the thread I linked, just not her quote. you lose!
Devolution
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where's devolution? She'll find a way out of this one.
Let's start with what you think I'm going to say.
Still wanna start some shit do ya?
Trigger Warning
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And you know this guy got raped while incarcerated because the inmates wrongly thought he was a child rapist.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Fair enough. I can agree with that. I just sometimes feel the urge to "correct" beliefs like that, as fruitless as that may be.
bengraven
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I know of a few trashy families who would want their son/uncle/dad released from prison no matter what he did. I posted an example further up.
I think the people bringing up the hypotheticals are talking from the perspective of his side of the family, not his ex-wife.
He's very lucky to be alive and in one piece. Child rapers get killed or abused in prison all the time. His block mates must have done some realllllly fucked up shit.
Also, again, thank Christ there's not mandatory castration laws in place.
Devolution
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If you got a problem might I suggest at least waiting for me to show up and say my piece instead of trolling me out of the gate?
Roger Danish
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You keep using words like "logical," yet I'm not sure you understand exactly what that means. You make blanket statements about why one "possibility" requires more of a "logical leap" despite the fact that you have included nothing even remotely resembling "logic" to explain how you reached that conclusion.
Oh, well then that explains why you linked the whole thread, rather than that specific quote.
Interfectum
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lol wat
UnluckyKate
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Usually nobody believes Cassandra.
*boom tshhh*
*boom tshhh*
So there's not a single atom in your brain that potentially worries that some girl you're randomly hooking up with is going to stab you in your sleep? One more time, because apparently I'm not being clear. The possibility of being falsely accused of rape, or killed by a crazy chick while you're asleep, exists. I can see why he'd be worried. I think he's blowing the risk way out of proportion, personally. But to make it seem like it's not a legitimate concern at some level, no matter how small, is confusing to me.
I've seen people mentioned that they think men are assumed to be pervs, sexual predators, or pedos and how it is not right. To those people I would say it's no more right to preemptively suspect women are false rape accusers especially when it has even less basis of reality to it. It's a terrible case of injustice, but it shouldn't make anyone afraid of women.
heliosRAzi
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I'm conflicted.
On the one hand, something should happen to her. On the other hand, we should not discourage women from coming forth with allegations of rape. A lot of women are raped, but don't report it to the police because they think they won't be believed or are ashamed and if we start punishing those who do lie to get someone else in jail, then it would just reinforce that concept.
On the one hand, something should happen to her. On the other hand, we should not discourage women from coming forth with allegations of rape. A lot of women are raped, but don't report it to the police because they think they won't be believed or are ashamed and if we start punishing those who do lie to get someone else in jail, then it would just reinforce that concept.
Dude Abides
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An irony of this thread is that one of the posters on the first page has an avatar of an actual convicted rapist who has almost completely rehabilitated his reputation.
Dreams-Visions
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suing who? his daughter?
meh. someone filing false charges won't have any impact on women who are actually raped reporting things.
you mean i shouldn't jump to conclusions like you do?
Anton Sugar
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Dude, just make your fucking argument and get it over with. These potshots aren't contributing to the discussion.
Seraphinianus
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So you're saying is that you stay in your otaku bubble because you're afraid of getting hurt. Great job.
doesn't japan have labels for people like this too? vegetarian men or something :lol even your favorite country is making fun of you.
tycoonheart
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Why not? She's the one who put him in there and took 11 god damned years to come clean.
....is it Newman?
Roger Danish
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Iron Mike!
Telosfortelos
Advocate for the People
If it wasn't the father, it was someone else. You don't just start having sex at age 7. I think this probably isn't a simple case of someone lying 11 years ago.
Stop trying to pick fights. What's wrong with you?
Seraphinianus
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sazzy
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it might be because i haven't googled hard enough, but i think the ratio of women falsely accusing someone of rape is far higher than men falsely accusing someone of rape.
Its extremely unfortunate that this man had to suffer so many years behind bars for a crime he didn't commit.
Article states:
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So its not to surprising to me as to why people believed her.
Article states:
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So its not to surprising to me as to why people believed her.
heliosRAzi
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One of the many reasons some women don't report rape is because they feel that they won't be believed. Someone making false allegations just makes it harder for them.
Seraphinianus
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what the hell does that have to do with anything? this does not mean it's statistically likely to happen at all.
and if people would actually spend time learning how relationships work at the right age instead of living in their bubble and being afraid of life, they'd be smart enough to know how to avoid crazy altogether. abstinence is not the correct answer.
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SCENARIO 1: Daddy is a child rapist
Girl has been sexually active since second grade. Her father raped his 11 year old daughter after divorcing his wife. She goes to the police and is sentenced to prison as the child rapist he is. 11 years later, the girl then lies and says she made up the rapes.
I can't fathom why somebody would do this. I've still not seen a plausible explanation. I've heard of people not going to the police when after being raped, but I've never heard of a rape victim going to the police, then recanting a decade later, when the perpetrator is in prison.
SCENARIO 2: Daddy is not a raper
Daughter, upset about the divorce, begins to make fantasy journal entries about her father raping her. When she has enough of them, she goes to the police with them. She is able to describe her own house, and the man has no evidence to offer to prove his innocence. He goes to jail. 11 years later, out of guilt, the girl admits that she lied about her father raping her.
This makes much more sense. It follows. The statute of limitations on perjury may have run out, but she sees she has condemned her father essentially to hell and cannot take it any more. It also matches what her father has been saying the entire time. Occam's razor, etc.
RurouniZel
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That's part of the problem; I'm not sure. And I was always taught that if you're not sure, don't. Sometimes I find out after I was right not to do anything, but other times I should have and it's frustrating. But I have a history of being misunderstood, which is why when I explain things I now tend to be very long winded. I fear being misunderstood. And if that misunderstanding ended up happening with a woman and getting accused of rape, that label never goes away, even if they later admit they lied. That thought terrifies me.
Anyway, didn't want to derail the thread, and for that I apologize. I was just upset thinking how this poor guy got thrown away for 11 years on a false accusation and she'll get nothing. I understand why, but it doesn't sit well with me. :-(
Devolution
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I was actually going to mention this, I'm surprised they didn't pry her about who she was sexually active with. Last time I checked second graders don't lose their virginity without some outside help (see: abuse or a much older kid/adult). And even abused children don't have such an extensive knowledge of sex so something was off about that case from the get go. They could at least pry that info out of her now.
plagiarize
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that 'what if it was you' arguement is a really shitty way to argue what should and shouldn't be illegal. what if you got raped by all of the rapists that didn't get convicted because we were so afraid of wrongly convicting someone?
if you put standards like that in place society would not be better off. a fear of something really unlikely is not a reason to let thousands get away with raping people and children.
why do you think the right for appeal exists? it exists because we recognise that wrongful convictions will happen with reasonable convictable standards.
at least you admit that you'd rather see thousands of children get raped than one innocent man get put in prison for 11 years.
Anton Sugar
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And the ratio of false accusations to healthy, safe sexual encounters with women is...? I just find it disingenuous to think that "false rape accusations" are a norm in heterosexual relationships. It's not something that most people have to "deal" with.
samus i am
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Are you kidding? I would already have my revenge plotted out.
Devolution
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really dude?
Right, and I think everyone is missing this. Sure, there was a testimony, but a jury found him guilty with enough evidence. So its not like it was just her word.
People need to feel free reporting rape, but people also have to learn that rape charges aren't a weapon to control others. I think thats the problem with a lot of this. I think its just going to have to be a necessary evil to weed out the real rapists, people have to be weary of situations that can trigger them as well. I'm sure this guy never saw this one coming, but other situations are hopefully avoidable.
As for the guy, 43, that isn't dead. Hes got a long life in front of him. And going through the most horrific thing any guy can, for child rape, in prison, I'm sure he has found religion/spirituality and is moving on from all of this. If hes cool with it, thats good enough for me.
sazzy
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yeah it would be ironic
i would have found intense burning hatred.
MuzzledBasher
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Devolution
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False rape allegations are more of a rep problem anyway since most rape cases don't end up in a guilty verdict without some physical evidence of trauma. In this case there was and they really should pry her about who she was actually engaging in sex with. There are cases of girls/women accusing close relatives because they've been threatened with violence if they call out the real perp. Not saying it's the case here but it happens.
tycoonheart
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How exactly do you move forward from that though? Any job application will ask you if you've been incarcerated. Who the hell is going to hire this guy for saying he was in jail for 11 years for raping a child, even when he tells them it was because of a false accusation? Dude's life is fucked.
Give him a second, he's using the potshots to cover the fact he hadn't finished forming one yet.
samus i am
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Soooo... how many people only read the title?
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