Good Job Bob
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Just watched that clip.
Wow, it really does look like a low budget TV show; fucking Whedon.
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The Avengers - Trailer #2
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Wow, it really does look like a low budget TV show; fucking Whedon.
Good Job Bob
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TheKaeptain
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Don't watch the TV spots. The one I saw today had Hawkeye and it ruined on the arrows work.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Look, it doesn't matter if they show Black Widow in a ridiculous titillating pose or not.
It's Scarlet Jo.
You could show her busting ass on Cap's face, and people would pull down their pants.
It's Scarlet Jo.
You could show her busting ass on Cap's face, and people would pull down their pants.
Her normal scenes involve her knocking out people with her hair.
If you're looking at the hair during that scene you're doing it wrong.
Her normal scenes involve her knocking out people with her hair.
Almost everything about this shot is inexcusably bad, from the conception of it through to the execution. Holy crap.
Her breasts are the exception
a secret-boss
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Y do u think she's an Avenger. U think those r ordinary hair. It secretes venomous poison. Black WidowHer normal scenes involve her knocking out people with her hair.
SCULLIBUNDO
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shadyspace
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This is exactly how I imagined this film looking when Joss Whedon was announced as it's director. I'm almost impressed with myself.
TheKaeptain
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Yes, you're a fortune-teller because you can point out the obvious.
shadyspace
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If only the seasoned executives at the largest entertainment company in the world possessed this talent. They must be the dumbest guys alive, you know, since everyone else ever saw this coming.
Dude, the lighting is in no way moody or gritty or stylistic enough. It obviously looks like shit. Therefore the movie will be shit. Now I'm gonna post this picture 1000 times in lieu of making any valid critique besides "Bbbbut it like looks like TV".
SCULLIBUNDO
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It's amazing how Spider-Man wasn't gritty in the slightest and managed not to look flat.
Bill Pope.
badcrumble
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Do we know yet why Stark is back to the circle-plated chest? I mean, actual story reasons, and not the actual reason which is 'Joss liked it more.' I'm assuming that continuity is actually important to Marvel with regard to this project.
SCULLIBUNDO
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LOL do you really want to go there? Whedon has fucking Seamus McGarvey at his disposal. The man has been the DP on Joe Wright's films. Atonement is one of the most stunning looking films of the last decade.
The director chooses his DP and a lot of the look comes out of the way they collaborate. It is no surprise that this film has the same cheap look as every other piece of shit Whedon got his fingers in.
What you can't do is try to suggest the director of photgraphy on The Avengers is the problem.
In the trailers he still has the the triangle thing in his chest, but his armor has a circle that covers it.
Personally I like the triangle design on his armor better.
Discotheque
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I think Whedon's a piece of shit but I gotta say I'm kinda excited to see that Cabin in the Woods film. It's fun to go to horror movies with friends/girlfriends whatever. And the impressions seem dope.
Oh and "TV movie" is no longer an insult considering some of the fantastic stuff you see on HBO these days for miniseries/movies. Whedon's vision is more like a syfy channel original film. With a high budget.
Oh and "TV movie" is no longer an insult considering some of the fantastic stuff you see on HBO these days for miniseries/movies. Whedon's vision is more like a syfy channel original film. With a high budget.
Yup, every time McGarvey set up his lighting in an visually dynamic way, Whedon said "Yeah I like what you're getting at there, but try to make it look a bit more flat... imagine that we are making a TV show on a limited budget".
badcrumble
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You act like movies look incredible unless people specifically make efforts to make them look like shit.
It's the other way around. But for Whedon, he looks at something like this:
and says "good enough." Either he's not gonna put in the effort to make it look better or he hasn't got the talent.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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The complaints about the TV look are so overdone. Movie has been shot with the Alexa, which looks extremely clean, razor sharp, and kind of flat.
SCULLIBUNDO
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It's certainly more believable that the director with a history of cheap looking productions that hint at no fore-thought into how he's going to shoot his scenes is continuing that streak than to believe the director of photography renowned for his excellent work suddenly decided to ape Whedon's previous output against Joss' will.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Serenity didn't look cheap though.
Never saw firefly and I had no idea Serenity was connected to the TV show. It's been a while since I saw it but the production never came across as cheap.
Whedon's directorial feature filmography:
-Serenity
-The Avengers
Serenity may not have been able to do what District 9 did with 30 million dollars, but it certainly didn't look like shit for it's budget.
I'm not saying that true talent to make a digitally captured frame have depth doesn't exist (i.e. David Fincher + Jeff Cronenweth). I'm saying that I think if Whedon told the After Effects dude to pump up the contrast, ratchet down the saturation, and maybe throw on a nice film grain filter, the negative backlash to the "look" of the movie would be immensely reduced.
Hahaha, oh wow, you actually have no idea what you're talking about.
I dare you to tell me this isn't an exceptionally well-written and more importantly, directed scene:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j6A0WHQSpfI&api_format=3&vndel=results
badcrumble
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It's *really* nothing special.
SCULLIBUNDO
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1. I said 'Productions' not films. It includes his TV stuff.
2. There are many people besides Fincher and team that can shoot good looking digital footage. You are also acting as if directors and their DP's don't go through extensive periods of camera tests during pre-production to nail down the look that they want. This is the aesthetic that Whedon has said 'Yes. I'm happy with that' to. There is a reason why even outside of this forum there are people saying it looks cheap. It isn't just a few of us.
Good Job Bob
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I haven't watched this scene, but it doesn't surprise that he'd be able to direct a few scenes of a TV series spanning 100+ hours well.
Doesn't prove that he's a great director.
SCULLIBUNDO
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If that is the best scene you have to convince people of Whedon's undeniable talents, then you're in trouble.
Perhaps during the time that another director would have been doing extensive pre-production camera tests, Whedon was sitting at his laptop hashing out 7-10 character arcs for the biggest ensemble comic book movie of all time, that had just been laid at his feet along with half a billion dollars.
Perhaps every time Whedon had to make an on-set lighting call, he erred on the side of simplicity and caution, with Kevin "No Frills" Feige gazing upon the proceedings from his observation deck. All studio sets at the Disney lot are now constructed as a panopticon.
I'm not defending the guy because I actually think this film looks like the most compelling and cinematic photography of all time, I'm defending him because I think he does good fucking work. If he made a choice that seems lacking, I'm inclined to say it was out of compromise and not incompetence.
SCULLIBUNDO
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You really don't need to start using maybe's and what if's to start trying to concoct imaginary situations where Whedon as acting director didn't get to call the shots that a director is in charge of. I'm sure once the film comes out and he sees what he's being criticized on, he'll be able to blame other people without any help from his fans.
There's no "what if" involved when it comes to the fact that being a writer/director on a summer tentpole is hard as fuck. Let alone for someone whose entire career was in TV. There's also no "what if" that Whedon was hired because he had the best nerd cred/pricetag ratio that Marvel was willing to shell out for, and because he can't go around making demands when he should consider this opportunity a gift from the producers. It's not an imaginary situation that he is under enormous pressure, and also enormous constraint. "Oh, what's that Joss? You want to block out that many camera positions for this little dialogue scene? Well, the water simulation for the helicarrier CGI is starting to look awfully expensive...". If you're gonna give him 100% of the blame if the movie is bad, he should get 100% of the credit if the movie is great.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I don't disagree with any of that except the part where you insinuated the producers and execs don't mind rushing setups to the point of looking cheap. That is the last thing they want.
And yes, he is under enormous pressure like all tentpole directors and if the movie is great he should get 100% of the credit. But if it looks like arse aesthetically speaking, he is responsible for that as well. It is part of his job. You can't pick and choose the things he should get credit/flak for.
Tony is a always tweaking shit, and his armor changes all the time. Like his comic counterpart.
The Elite
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The "avenge" quote makes a lot more sense in context, like I thought it would.
Great clip. Stark not taking any shit from Loki.
New armor.
What the fuck is this shit?
Just chillin, drinkin, having small talk about what we should or not do regarding the fate of the earth.
"Don't know if I should do this"
"Well you shouldn't"
"Why?"
"We have a Hulk"
"Didn't he piss off?"
"Doesn't matter, we team of OG's, we avenge earth"
"hmmm, let me think about it while I look at the city"
Badass motherfuckers
He'll regret calling Hulk a beast. Prepare to get your face smashed in!!! HULK SMAAASHHH
Hot Coldman
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I can't tell if you like it or not. :lol
man, the blind joss hate ruins this thread.
you guys can be really immature sometimes.
here's the IAmA Joss did yesterday, it's pretty great
you guys can be really immature sometimes.
here's the IAmA Joss did yesterday, it's pretty great
Did you get the sense from that scene that Loki is a mischievous, dangerous, intelligent demigod that is looking to conquer Earth?
I might obviously be blowing out of proportion but it looked like they were having a pretty calm moment considering the situation, intelligently talking about the ifs, no harm done, not feelings hurt.
Just rationally talking to each other, chillin.
Loki is obviously bullshitting, that's why Stark puts that bracelet on before stepping out from the bar. It's obviously a super gadget of some sort.
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