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[Glass Rebel]

Being "mad" or "offended" at this is kinda silly. It won't come close to SSB sales.

Personally, I feel... disappointed I guess? I mean, I like SSB and all and this could be very well a great title but... It screams copycat and I would have preferred if Sony had attempted to do something radically different from SSB, the same way they did with LittleBigPlanet to differentiate themselves from Mario.

 

[Krev]

I'm just disappointed Geoff didn't open the interview by saying "So it's basically Smash Bros with Sony characters right?". Guess he only saves his witty banter for his lover Reggie.

Yeah, honestly it's a huge failure of journalism not to even mention it. It's the first thing anyone thinks when they see the title, and they may as well just go for it right off the bat and get it out of the way. The response from SuperBot might have been interesting.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

By Gameloft ?

 

[cednym]

There's a lot of room for this to have been more similar to Smash Bros. if it wanted to. Maybe it's because I'm so familiar with those games, but especially after watching more footage and reading impressions, this doesn't really feel like a "clone."

The overreaction is killing me.

 

[TheOddOne]

Gametrailers getting paid those big bucks.

 

[test_account]

Have you actually been to a MoH thread? It gets criticised accordingly.

Not from what i can remember, but it wouldnt surprise me. I remember a lot of Battlefield 3 VS Modern Warfare discussion at least

 

[5amshift]

God this looks EXACTLY like Brawl. From the panned out camera shots to just about everything else. It's good to see Parappa and the Fat Princess in there, but I'm hoping they do something different with it.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

C'mon, think a bit about this. The characters are the obvious USP.

A large majority of people love Melee/Brawl because they can duke it out with their favourite characters from different games, they don't give a shit about mechanics. It's true that Nintendo has a deeper well and larger base (simply going by history and sales), but it's not like Sony doesn't have anything. This is simply tapping into their own well.


Sure would be funny if they decide to go completely head-to-head with the ads, though, like Sega does what Nintendon't or Blur dissing Mario Kart.

I just remember the days of seeing a person asking where they can buy the new Wii remote with the colored ball on top at Walmart and kind of chuckling to my self.

 

[emb]

Can't stand how small and highlighted all the characters look. The auras remind me of TMNT Smash Up. I'm guessing the smallness will be fixed when you aren't playing 4 players though.

Really hyped about this though!

 

[ascii42]

Smash Bros...Battle Royale...who cares, no one is going to play either once Apple launches their mascot brawler.

I've always wanted to play as Clarus the Dogcow.

 

[i-Lo]

The whining about the game being a "clone" is exemplary.

Even setting aside the fact that the ASBR plays differently, how were the devs suppose to come up with 4 player vs mode on a single screen comprising of characters that wouldn't exactly fit in a ring (given the vertical nature and ad hoc metamorphosis of the characters)?

Gah, so much bitching and whining.

Personally, as a person who was never invested in Nintendo and saw the appeal of SSBB think its great to see Sony finally leverage a game with all its prominent first party characters together. People have been wanting a game like this since a long time and its a good thing Sony delivered.

I just hope that in all the nonsensical hatred the sane ones don't get run over and miss out all the ways the game is unique.

 

[RPGamer92]

I hope Mario appears as a 3rd party character

 

[Pathetic Basement Virgin]

Troll Youtube video in the OP got me good. I burst out laughing.

I was watching with the sound off. When I turned it up & damn near died.

 

[aquavelva]

I was never much of a smash bros fan, and probably won't pick this up until it's like $20, but the meltdowns in this thread will have me following this game very closely lol.

 

[Guesong]

Life bars?

Meh.

The % and Knock-Out rules of Smash is what makes it hype when you are chilling with friends. Other similar games who used Lifebars always ended up being a total dud.

 

[Haunted]

Even setting aside the fact that the ASBR plays differently, how were the devs suppose to come up with 4 player vs mode on a single screen comprising of characters that wouldn't exactly fit in a ring (given the vertical nature and ad hoc metamorphosis of the characters)?

Now that you mention it, why is this game even 4 player? I understand that it's a controller limitation for the N64/GC/Wii and the 360, but the PS3 supports 7 controllers, right?

 

[Square Triangle]

Now that you mention it, why is this game even 4 player? I understand that it's a controller limitation for the N64/GC/Wii and the 360, but the PS3 supports 7 controllers, right?

That would be way too fucking chaotic.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Life bars?

Meh.

The % and Knock-Out rules of Smash is what makes it hype when you are chilling with friends. Other similar games who used Lifebars always ended up being a total dud.

Not life bars. You attack to fill up your Super Meter and use your Super to KO opponents.

 

[test_account]

No ? The reasons why it seems like a blatant copy at first glance are numerous (and obvious), similar to how the TMNT:Smash Up or the Multiplayer Mode in the Wii version of SW:TFU 2 were called copies. Again there are notable differences between all those games (even though this may not be apparent at first glance) and as mentioned I'm sure the gameplay will be different from Smash Bros. It's probably not gonna be a blatant 1:1 copy, it just gives that as the very first impression, which is unfortunate (but probably not completely unwanted - gives the game more media attention).

No ? I mean why would people compare a game with a roster made up of many different game series with Mortal Kombat (at first) ?

It is the gameplay that looks the same, so this goes for a lot of other games as well, no? Looking at Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter, the gameplay looks (and pretty much is) exactly the same at first glance. The same goes for MoH and CoD too. I dont see what makes the Battle Royale VS Smash Bros situation any different.

I could see it if people though some of the Battle Royale characters looked like Nintendo characters at first glance, but did anyone here do that? It is not like Battle Royale contain characters like a small, italian guy in a plumber suit with mustache and calls him Bario.

There is no denying that Battle Royale looks very much like Smash Bros regarding the gameplay, so i see why people bring this up. But i dont see why someone is so upset about this. All the stages and characters are different in the games. It is just the gameplay that is similar.

 

[Haunted]

That would be way too fucking chaotic.

There's no such thing as "too chaotic" for a mascot brawler.

Could've been a cool USP. I guess this is the kind of simple me-tooism that people are criticising.

"Other games are 4P, so our game will be 4P as well even though we aren't bound by the same limitations."

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Hahahahaha, the artistic side of the game looks like shit. The stages look like fan made SSB stages (the ones people are making in brawl) , the mixture of games in the stages (Patatpon and GoW for example) is laughable becuase it looks horrible, not becuase it could be an interesting idea. The character models dont blend well (lol at Parappa, it look hideous) and the shine theyve got around the character to make it noticeable look cheap, silly and its a big part of why the game has an artb problem in the first place.
Not even talking about the animations here that I hope are just placeholders. Some of the characters have identical animations when being hit, and they just look like cheap try to emulate Smash Bros ones (when Melee and Brawl had fantastic individual anaimations for characters, even making them fall differently for example).

Apart from that im dissapointed that it looks so much like SSB in gameplay (thought they were going to make a different type of gameplay, something similar like Power Stone for example, to make it an interesting difference from SSB), it doesnt look just as a SSB copy cat, it looks even more like the horrible DreamMix TV World Fighters, wihich I had the displeasure to play some time ago.

Im not going to talk about the characters now because I hope they will be lots more on the final roster, but as it is, the roster right now is horrible.

 

[smr00]

Looks like shit (artistically) and the only way to win is get supers? no life bars? no knock outs? no thanks.

I like the concept of a sony brawl game but the execution of this is complete rubbish IMO.

 

[thepotatoman]

I'm still excited for it after seeing the video, but it is a little disappointing seeing just how similar it is to smash bros. Couldn't they do something artistically to make it look more distinguished, like altering gravity, making the characters look bigger, lowering jump hight, altering the speed, doing some crazy graphics filters or something? I mean at the very least the hud could look different.

I still plan on buying the game and I think it still looks fun, but i can see why people would be wierded out, because its just wierd. Its not like this is the first ever smash clone, and all of the clones I've seen look more distinguished from SSB than this sony thing.

 

[Guesong]

Not life bars. You attack to fill up your Super Meter and use your Super to KO opponents.

Really? I'm at work so I couldn't see the videos, sorry if it was blatantly explained in those.

That'd be a much better concept, then. I still don't see it working as well for hype factor than % numbers, but it's a definite improvement over dull life bars.

Actually...I don't know. In Smash, you could kill someone at 30 % health in theory with a nice air interception/meteor smash. But if you need a Super to kill someone in this...wouldn't that make it less exciting? You can't really go from 0 bar to full bar in an instant, the danger of death is only present at a certain point...

Huh. Well, can't say I'm not intrigued to see how that pans out.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Really? I'm at work so I couldn't see the videos, sorry if it was blatantly explained in those.

That'd be a much better concept, then. I still don't see it working as well for hype factor than % numbers, but it's a definite improvement over dull life bars.

Actually...I don't know. In Smash, you could kill someone at 30 % health in theory with a nice air interception/meteor smash. But if you need a Super to kill someone in this...wouldn't that make it less exciting? You can't really go from 0 bar to full bar in an instant, the danger of death is only present at a certain point...

Huh. Well, can't say I'm not intrigued to see how that pans out.

There are 3 levels of supers and the level 1 super requires little meter. It's not as devastating but it looks like most should be capable of killing one opponent. Level 2/Level 3 will be more powerful/more capable of taking out multiple enemies.

As much as these guys are vocally inspired by Smash and want to make the kind of game fans want to play, I have a feeling they've taken those things into consideration. Smash isn't just a game of numbers like other fighting games; like you said you can kill your opponents at very low % if you're good and use good opportunities. I'm sure this will be similar.

 

[erpg]

I'm sure it'll be fun, but it just goes to show how few interesting IPs both Sony and Microsoft have. I had no idea Fat Princess was iconic.

Come on SEGA. You need to give me a Smash Bros.

 

[Krev]

The whining about the game being a "clone" is exemplary.

Even setting aside the fact that the ASBR plays differently, how were the devs suppose to come up with 4 player vs mode on a single screen comprising of characters that wouldn't exactly fit in a ring (given the vertical nature and ad hoc metamorphosis of the characters)?

Why did they want to come out with a 4 player single screen vs mode mascot brawler featuring vertical movement and character metamorphosis? Because Sony saw that Smash Bros makes a lot of money for Nintendo and they wanted a bit of that action for themselves.
While some of the whining is way overboard (cries for Nintendo to sue are frankly pathetic), the whining about the whining is just as annoying. The first thing anyone familiar with the franchise sees when they look at this game is Smash Bros. Just as every first person shooter in the early 90s had to be saddled with the label of 'Doom clone' whenever they were written or talked about, it's only natural that a large portion of the discussion of this game will center around Smash Bros. Get used to it.

 

[Elixist]

Or if Battle Royale had been more like a 1 vs 1 game, would people have said that it looked like a blatant Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat copy?

I doubt it, because theres so many 1 v 1 fighters, unless of course there was a Ryu lookin dude bustin out some hadoken type shit. I think the reason its gettin "clone" flak is because Smash is one of a kind. Everyone knows wat Sony was thinking just by looking at the game.

 

[Para bailar La Bomba]

Because I'm crazy.

BTW I think Nintendo should sue.

You should have also quoted your status.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I'm sure it'll be fun, but it just goes to show how few interesting IPs both Sony and Microsoft have. I had no idea Fat Princess was iconic.

Come on SEGA. You need to give me a Smash Bros.

Smash Bros. isn't purely "iconic" characters. That'd make for a pretty boring game.

 

[Chuck Norris]

I doubt it, because theres so many 1 v 1 fighters, unless of course there was a Ryu lookin dude bustin out some hadoken type shit. I think the reason its gettin "clone" flak is because Smash is one of a kind.

No it's not

And an awesome game despite its obvious inspiration

 

[Ivan 3414]

My problem with this game isn't that it's a Smash Bros clone; I knew that was what it was going to be when I read the details of the game. The problem is that it looks like a terrible Smash Bros clone.

Several stages looks horrible; why are they trapped in boxes made of rock? Some characters have moves ripped straight from Smash Bros; Fat Princess has a spinning move that looks almost identical to Wario's Up-B.

Other characters look dull. Killzone Guy is a good example. I have no idea who Killzone Guy is, and although that's a fault of my own, he isn't doing himself any favors by looking incredibly generic in all aspects, including moveset. At least once obscure characters like Ice Climbers and Marth had interesting designs or gameplay hooks.

Some characters look straight-up jarring; Parappa looks like a product of one of those children's toys...the name of it escapes me right now but I think you were supposed to put art drawn on paper into the oven or whatever it was and the toy would turn it into some sort of 3D pin(if anyone could help me think of what this is...<_<). But yeah, he looks terrible; they should have just taken his design straight from the original game.

Together the game looks uninspired. I have little interest in this.

 

[Glass Rebel]

No it's not

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ywi4bkCtSGs/S7RjTJfAh3I/AAAAAAAAAHQ/s_V_wydZnTw/s1600/Jump+ultimate+stars.jpg[img]

And an awesome game despite its obvious inspiration[/QUOTE]

Oh man, I remember this game!

[spoiler]I actually do but really?[/spoiler]

 

[CaptainZombie]

I'm still excited for it after seeing the video, but it is a little disappointing seeing just how similar it is to smash bros. Couldn't they do something artistically to make it look more distinguished, like altering gravity, making the characters look bigger, lowering jump hight, altering the speed, doing some crazy graphics filters or something? I mean at the very least the hud could look different.

I still plan on buying the game and I think it still looks fun, but i can see why people would be wierded out, because its just wierd. Its not like this is the first ever smash clone, and all of the clones I've seen look more distinguished from SSB than this sony thing.

I bet Sony figured that if they can't beat Nintendo at their own game, may as well just copy their template. As long as this plays well, I don't care. It's good that Sony is churning out new games and finally getting smart to dump some that haven't done so well this generation.

 

[benny_a]

I'm just wondering what the source is to why someone is upset about Battle Royale.

They think this will be like Darksiders and Zelda. A game copying the gameplay mechanics of a beloved Nintendo franchise and being better at it.
How about that? ;-)

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

I'm sure it'll be fun, but it just goes to show how few interesting IPs both Sony and Microsoft have. I had no idea Fat Princess was iconic.

Come on SEGA. You need to give me a Smash Bros.

I think SEGA is the only one in the industry apart of Nintendo that because of its rich history they can create a good characters roster fighting game (or kart, or sports, or RPG, or whatever type of game they want...).
Im sorry but Sony nor Microsoft have as great and rich character history to make a game of this type. They can try, sure, but it will not have the same impact.
Hell, even Capcom or Square Enix can easily make a game with more history than Sony Battle Royale.

 

[Glass Rebel]

They think this will be like Darksiders and Zelda. A game copying the gameplay mechanics of a beloved Nintendo franchise and being better at it.
How about that? ;-)

8/10

I almost fell for it.

 

[transience]

Watching this makes me feel legitimately bad. It's such a blatant ripoff. The animations, the physics, the stages, even the way you roll looks the same. I can't think of a high-profile ripoff that was this obvious.

Maybe it's fun, hard to say. Nothing about that video made me want to play it though. Boring characters, boring attacks, super derivative... I like Smash so it's weird that I'm reacting so negatively. I would have thought that one Smash clone after 4 years would be totally fine. It just looks all around bad. It reminds me of that TMNT Wii game they put out a few years ago more than anything. Hopefully it's actually good.

It'll be funny if they debut this at e3 and Nintendo comes out the next day and blows them away with Wii U Smash. That'd be unlikely, but pretty hilarious and awesome.

 

[saichi]

There's a lot of room for this to have been more similar to Smash Bros. if it wanted to. Maybe it's because I'm so familiar with those games, but especially after watching more footage and reading impressions, this doesn't really feel like a "clone."

The overreaction is killing me.

This explains very well.

No ? The reasons why it seems like a blatant copy at first glance are numerous (and obvious), similar to how the TMNT:Smash Up or the Multiplayer Mode in the Wii version of SW:TFU 2 were called copies. Again there are notable differences between all those games (even though this may not be apparent at first glance) and as mentioned I'm sure the gameplay will be different from Smash Bros. It's probably not gonna be a blatant 1:1 copy, it just gives that as the very first impression, which is unfortunate (but probably not completely unwanted - gives the game more media attention).

It doesn't matter how much different they under the hood. First impression for general consumers would be Smash Bro with Sony characters.

EDIT: Why Geoff keep pumping Fat Princess? People actually look forward to Fat Princess in this brawler?

 

[test_account]

I doubt it, because theres so many 1 v 1 fighters, unless of course there was a Ryu lookin dude bustin out some hadoken type shit. I think the reason its gettin "clone" flak is because Smash is one of a kind. Everyone knows wat Sony was thinking just by looking at the game.

There is no denying that Sony wants to try to captialize on this type of gameplay indeed. Afterall, look how succesful the Smash Bros serie is. It is no different than people trying to capitalize on making modern shooters, seeing how popular Call of Duty is. So it is understandable in my opinion.

Smash Bros was unique when it first came out, but it is not one of a kind anymore though. There are many similar games like it now. Digimon Rumble Arena, Turtles Smash-Up, Jump Superstar and DreamMix TV World Fighters, just to mention some examples, are games that have the same type of gameplay as Smash Bros.

They think this will be like Darksiders and Zelda. A game copying the gameplay mechanics of a beloved Nintendo franchise and being better at it.
How about that? ;-)

I forgot about the Darksiders VS Zelda stuff. It is indeed right that people have made big comparisons between those two games regarding gameplay

 

[MYE]

I wonder what the SOUNDTRACK will be like.
It has ALOT to live up to.

They think this will be like Darksiders and Zelda. A game copying the gameplay mechanics of a beloved Nintendo franchise and being better at it.
How about that? ;-)

wut
I have Darksiders and its a cool game but, no.

I get it though, everybody is on edge in here lol

 

[BadWolf]

It doesn't matter how much different they under the hood. First impression for general consumers would be Smash Bro with Sony characters.

And why do ppl think this will be a big issue for the general consumer?

 

[theBishop]

Do Not Want.

 

[SykoTech]

I'm a huge Sega fan, they're the ones I started video games with first and I still love them to this day.

But you people saying that a Sega Smash Bros game would have more impact than this are certifiably insane. Most of their franchises are niche, especially in terms of western appeal. I don't think their tennis or kart racing crossovers this gen did that much over a million in sales, and those were all nearly every platform.

 

[Majine]

Fat Princess looks like she doesn't belong there.

 

[BGBW]

I agree, but I honestly doubt Nintendo gives much of a shit, not unless this has some seriously massive amazing feature or content that blows people away and starts eating up their sales. And I mean that in a bad way. Nintendo too often exists in its own little bubble and, in the grand scheme of things, would know very well that Smash will still sell regardless of what this does right.

What I'm saying is this could have an incredible single player campaign, and it (annoyingly) wouldn't guaranty the next Smash would.

Well in Sakurai we trust. He seems to be pretty switched on when it comes to other games in the industry.

Hahahahahahaha, wow, that is completely and utterly shameless.

How the hell can anyone get mad after seeing that? It's so bad it's good, like walking into a Chinese store's toy aisle and seeing this on the shelf:

http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/2/3/3/46233.jpg?v=1

That looks pretty rad to be frank.


Is it too late to make Wii White to PS3 Black jokes?



I find it interesting that they make mention of tournament knowledgeable staff and yet no stage shown seems to be a Battlefield equivalent. That was the first stage ever shown for Brawl. And I guess Kratos is Sony's Mario equivalent now?

Actually the stages look a little too big.

 

[benny_a]

wut
I have Darksiders and its a cool game but, no.

I get it though, everybody is on edge in here lol

In this thread I was just saying it because this thread is entertaining to read and adding fuel to the fire is what makes it beautiful.

But that Darksiders is a better Zelda than Zelda is not an uncommon opinion on GAF.

 

[emb]

I always feel so strange when most are critical of a game because it's too similar, but I'm concerned because it looks a little too different.

 

[jett]

I had forgotten about all the other Smash-like games that had come out, so I guess it's not that bad. They should release 60fps footage for sure. I don't understand why devs don't insist on that shit.

 

[Brobzoid]

hope there is a mode that uses the percent damage system from smash. Didn't like final smashes in brawl, so a game built around it is kinda assy.