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Gwyneth Paltrow Defends N-Word Tweet. The Dream attempts to eat the charge.
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Were you offended by my one worded response?
It's too bad you can't appreciate the irony in your post as much as I do.
White people get to call me nigga and I'm OK with it? I didn't get that memo (and neither did they).
LOL, really? REALLY?
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Confused would be the better word
John Rabbit
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this shit cray.
It's OK to be wrong man.
It's kinda bizarre how far you're stretching this.
Ain't it Jay....Errr....John?
It's kinda bizarre how far you're stretching this.
Ain't it Jay....Errr....John?
you're officially trippin
nobody called anyone a nigger. she tweeted she was live in paris with the makers of niggas in paris. how else is this supposed to happen? just tell white people not to listen to rap music (they're the one's buying most of it anyways).
if this offends you, then be mad at jay and kanye for giving people another reason to say the word.
Do you really need a dissertation as to why someone would be offended?
Did you read my example?
EDIT: I know you read it. I meant to refer you back to my example.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
It would be really weird if former concentration camp jews went around referring to each other by their ibm code tattoo numbers.
I am fairly aware of why people seem to be offended, but perpetuating the discussion without a more detailed summary of ones feelings is sort of rude.
I am fairly aware of why people seem to be offended, but perpetuating the discussion without a more detailed summary of ones feelings is sort of rude.
The outrage is strong today, huh? Just go back to defending the use of other slurs.
Idk I think the silliest part of his post strangely is where he some how assumes the entire black race took issue with a tweet from Gwyneth Paltrow and manufactured this controversy I'm not sure black people knows who she is lol. I honestly thought it was a troll hence my response
She didn't call you or Jay-Z or anyone else that.
She wasn't referring to Jay-z, she was referring to the fact that they were literally IN PARIS by referencing a song title with the word paris in it. I mean it's not like she said "this dude's my n****" or some original phrase that happened to include the word. She was quoting a song, by the artist, NOT because it included the word N****, but because it included the word PARIS, which is where they were at the time. The song title happened to contain the word N****.
If Jay-Z had a song called "baguettes and cigaretts in Paris" I'm sure that would have been the tweet, but unfortunately for her, it contained another word and Jay-Z has yet to write songs about french bread and cancer sticks (that I know of). It's doubly unfortunate we live in a world where intent is apparently by your own admission meaningless, while superficial, trite semantics are apparently the golden metric by which people should determine where to hurl their distaste and misguided anger.
There are people that use the word and mean to hurt black people with it and insult them and degrade them. Save the anger for them. Not for some chick that's obviously not a racist that was quoting a song title.
Apparently I can't appreciate it either. What is the irony?
Mecha_Infantry
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It's fine with me, name of the song so she has perfect right to say it
I really disagree with this example.
If I go through some shit with someone, or a group, then we may end up calling each all sorts of fucked up shit. It won't make sense to many. It probably shouldn't.
Not everyone responds to an immediately off-putting insult with continued, polite discussion.
And now I agree...
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I refer you back to my example (where you deciphered that I was calling Adele an elephant without me having to tell you).
Or maybe I was just talking about the movie...
EDIT: (emphasis mine)
I think you're missing the point. Do you understand that my point of contention is HOW she referred to them literally being in Paris?
not psycho
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Well, if he forgives her I guess I can too.
But watch it Paltrow. You're on notice.
This reminds me of this one time way back in high school when I made the mistake of saying the word "fat" in some random, forgettable sentence while in the proximity of an urban youth, which elicited this snarled remark from him: "you don't know what phat even means!".
I was embarrassed and didn't have the nerve to inform him of his misaligned presumptions.
Then I probably started sweating.
I was embarrassed and didn't have the nerve to inform him of his misaligned presumptions.
Then I probably started sweating.
We already addressed that. Your example implied intent right off the bat.
Even with zero context, you immediately make the assumption that she must be looking for a reason to degrade black people or something when the first, most likely, and obvious cause is because its the name of a huge song - where she just happens to be in Paris alongside the guys who made the song.
Be mad at Jay if you want to be mad.
You sound like a moist dude.
How?
Also, I didn't say she was trying to degrade black people. That's not the point when it comes to white people calling black people niggas.
It would but I don't think that compares. N***a and N***er are two different words imo
Not nearly as rude as the post in question though, right?
"But it's the name of the movie!" </Gwen>
Sorry to disappoint you, I feel petty today.
The cookie don't fall far from the cutter.
So apparently a black guy typed the word from this woman's phone if I am not mistaken.
I don't think this is appropriate. Her phone is a white person's phone, so it is still racism. I am still very outraged and furious at this very important news about racism today. In my fight against racism I will pay more attention to this by using inflammatory rhetoric that unite us all in the fight against racism.
Oh man, does this mean I'm racist? :/
Laughing Banana
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Gwyneth Paltrow was and still is one of the most attractive actresses in Hollywood.
So lovely.
So lovely.
Again, you're implying that she is out to get black people by saying nigga as much as she can like some wordsmith boogieman
its silly
you're immediately looking beyond what is actually being said, and the massive context, to paint your own picture like jesse jackson
It means you might be racist.
She was one of the bright spots in Shallow Hal.
PhoenixDark
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She has never said or done anything to suggest she's racist by any stretch of the imagination, get the fuck over it. I'm going to bed, fuck this. Black people stop embarrassing me
What? That's not what I'm saying at all.
It's no secret conspiracy that black people take offense to being referred to, by white people, as niggas.
HENCE the offense.
You (and jonez) got the Adele example with no help. Why not this one?
(and again, INTENT is not the point I'm trying to emphasize....I'm sure 99% of the non-racist white people who throw around the word "nigga" mean no harm, either)
cutmeamango
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NP: Jay-Z and Kanye West: Afro-descendent fellows in Paris (Soft Version)
Dat fece cray.
Dat fece cray.
Dat fece cray.
Dat fece cray.
I'd prefer not to be referred back to it because you haven't addressed most of the recent arguments I've made and are instead trying to deflect me back to a complete broken, forced example that doesn't really mirror this situation at all:
1. Adele didn't write a song called Water for Elephants. I know you're not referring to a song by one of the artists pictured, as was Gwyneth. You're using a tangential movie that has nothing to do with Adele as a caption, so I'm left to discern that its tie to Adele MUST lie in a the fact that you are insinuating she is an elephant. If Gwneth had done something like take a picture of Jay-Z and referred to this movie, which has nothing to do with Jay-Z, your broken argument would have more merit.
2. Your example contains veiled, albeit it thinly, implications of criticism. I am able to discern this on account of not being a robot and understanding human communication and the intangible nuances such a complex language entails. I don't imagine from reading your theoretical tweet, nor would anyone with any semblance of logic or communication, that you are friends with Adele or think highly of her, again, this is factually not the case with Gwyneth.
3. If Adele became aware of said tweet, I have a hard time seeing her supporting you and saying it's not a big deal, which is again, not the case here.
4. I sincerely doubt Adele refers to herself and/or her fellow overweight friends as elephants. If she did, maybe she would have a song called elephants, and then maybe your statement could be made without it being so obviously venomous. It could be just a light-hearted comment poking a little fun at Adele using her own word for herself, if that were the case, but it's not.
And all that said, I'm out of this thread because it's obviously going nowhere and nothing good will come of it no matter how blue in the face either of us gets (no offense to Smurfs or anyone of an indigo color in general). It's a testament to the power of the word and its unfortunate history that, justified or not, it can evoke feelings of anger that transcend common sense and the logical consumption of intent and true meaning. To say you ALWAYS have to condemn the use of this specific word, regardless of context or intent, is grossly oversimplifying human communication and for lack of a better term, making it unfairly black and white.
Dreams-Visions
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I like her 1,000x more now than I did 5 minutes ago.
The Return of
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I don't like how you said tripping without the g towards a black male.
Frank "Trashman" Reynolds
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it's the name of the song.
This is a great post, thanks.
Chuckie
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Aye, I second that.
Frank "Trashman" Reynolds
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now i'm listening to niggas in paris on spotify... AND I'M WHITE... AND I WROTE THE NAME OF THE SONG IN THIS POST.
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