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Any Black Ops 2 Wii U Reviews or Impressions?
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You are heavily inferring: What Arthur wrote implies that most reviewers won't provide impressions for a while, as review copies haven't been sent out pre-release.
But even if what you are claiming was his intention: Reading posts in this thread, it is very easy to see why Arthur Gies would think that only gaming journalist will be able to provide reasonable and thought out criticism.
People take and run with absurd comparison videos like this one - just think of all the people in the pre-release thread being convinced that the Wii U version of Black Ops 2 is going to feature "more colours" because some idiot YouTuber amateurishly edited together two videos and fucked up saturation in the process.
It's plain to see that both videos are filmed from consoles set to different HDMI reference levels. And let's not ignore other issues like possible compression, different video sizes, mashing together PC, PS3 and Xbox 360 versions, etc.
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The thing is, the OP wasn't asking specifically for press reviews. The game is out in stores as of today. People have it. He was asking for any impressions. Telling us the situation of certain privileged members of the press is pretty damn pointless, wouldn't you say?
If he didn't want to leave it up for interpretation, he should have stated it more clearly. Something like, "We won't have any coverage at Polygon until we get codes from Activision PR. I've heard that other sites won't get anything from Activision PR until tomorrow, either." Even still, my response would have been "who is asking?" to such a statement, but it would have come off as slightly less arrogant.
Classy.
Whatever. I'll just drop it for now--we're only going to keep disagreeing here. I think his statement was totally out of place and was answering a question that no one asked. I also think him and his site are pretty rubbish, so that obviously colors my opinion. I'll leave it at that and move on.
BlackGhost
Banned
how do you turn of the game streaming on the tv? takes alittle bit to get use to playing on the gamepad
Clicking somewhere at 2:xx. First thing I see is him firing a RPG on people.
You gotta love console CoD idiots.
Just to add to this thread, I've played a couple of missions thus far and it's not good.
The Digital Foundry article featured the first area benchmarked on PS3 and 360. During some of the parts they show the framerate flucuates between 45-50 fps dropping as low as 40-ish on PS3 during the slowest point. On WiiU? Yeah, that same area (right before the chopper) sinks UNDER 30 fps. It's juddery and choppy. On average the framerate seems to spend a lot of time around 50 fps.
Now, it generally doesn't sink THAT low during gameplay but it spends way too much time under 60 fps. The 360 version is much smoother and even the PS3 version seems to have an edge. The image quality seems more in line with 360 at least, which is to say that it's jaggy as hell, but not blurry like 1.02 on PS3.
The shadows are also nasty. Until you stand right up on them, they appear at a very VERY low resolution and only resolve into higher detail when you press your face right up against them.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-face-off
Regarding those two shots above...
When I returned to that area, the pillows DID appear on WiiU. I don't know why they were missing when I snapped that photo, but they were. Secondly, the shadows DO eventually become the resolution as you see on 360 *BUT* only when you are within VERY close proximity. From any normal distance they are a chunky mess.
The Digital Foundry article featured the first area benchmarked on PS3 and 360. During some of the parts they show the framerate flucuates between 45-50 fps dropping as low as 40-ish on PS3 during the slowest point. On WiiU? Yeah, that same area (right before the chopper) sinks UNDER 30 fps. It's juddery and choppy. On average the framerate seems to spend a lot of time around 50 fps.
Now, it generally doesn't sink THAT low during gameplay but it spends way too much time under 60 fps. The 360 version is much smoother and even the PS3 version seems to have an edge. The image quality seems more in line with 360 at least, which is to say that it's jaggy as hell, but not blurry like 1.02 on PS3.
The shadows are also nasty. Until you stand right up on them, they appear at a very VERY low resolution and only resolve into higher detail when you press your face right up against them.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-face-off
Regarding those two shots above...
When I returned to that area, the pillows DID appear on WiiU. I don't know why they were missing when I snapped that photo, but they were. Secondly, the shadows DO eventually become the resolution as you see on 360 *BUT* only when you are within VERY close proximity. From any normal distance they are a chunky mess.
Isn't that Mass Effect 3?
friskykillface
Banned
a person responded on my black ops 2 post in the community section and told me that only about 400 people are on now.
lol
i need more people
lol
i need more peopleNo, I'm talking about BLOPS2.
grimshawish
Banned
Which one?
MarshMellow96
Member
Damn... I guess it's hard to say if this is a launch thing or a Wii U thing?
Wow - not only is that disappointing, that's downright atrocious. I'll wait for a few more opinions (I'm getting the Wii U on the 30th - European launch), but if future impressions don't seem much better (I'm especially interested in multiplayer framerate) I'm going to buy the 360 edition.
I'm very excited to get my hands on my Premium Pack Wii U: But I think at this point it's better to wait if you are getting the console for multiplatform games primarily - it might not be the right console to get for suchtitles.
Haven't played online, but the framerate was very smooth in botmatch. From the two maps I played it held a near perfect 60 fps. It's pretty neat being able to play the game on the gamepad, I have to admit. Looks fantastic there as it seems downsampled from 720p.
grimshawish
Banned
Wait. What is the 30fps from and those images?
EDIT: Just the top image lighting looks very different from what we've seen in a straight forward multiplayer match.
MDSLKTR
Member
The sub-30 fps bit takes place during the first mission of the campaign. When you jump back on the large vehicle after the initial battle, the framerate dips to 30 fps or less. It's a scripted sequence, but it looked really choppy. Also the fire death right at the start was pretty choppy as was the framerate when looking out over the battlefield.
The framerate is very unstable, basically.
In multiplayer with bots, however, the game runs just fine from what I've played.
That top image was snapped with my iPhone 5. It shows that the dynamic shadows ARE in the game but, unless viewed from extremely close proximity, they are very pixelated (as you see). In splitscreen those shadows are not even present.
Did you take the picture above in regular online-multiplayer?
No, that's wrong. There was another shot that was taken from splitscreen, but the shot posted there is what you get in single screen mode. It has real shadows, but they are super pixelated from most distances.
I took it in single screen botmatch.
Yeah, I just noticed my error and stealth-edited my posting. Seems like you were faster on the (Submit) trigger
Disappointing that this is, indeed, the regular multiplayer (bot) experience.
grimshawish
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Okay thanks for the info. Weird that I think the shadows in proper multiplayer aren't like that. If you get a chance it'd be cool if you (or someone readin) could confirm than in online. Just the contrast looks off, but if its an iphone grab that makes a lot more sense; which was why I was originally asking.
Framerate unstable isn't great.
What I'm seeing is a much sharper image overall for WiiU, better textures and better modeling in some cases, WiiU's shadows are certainly worse though (nothing to do with lighting).
Yep, comparing colours in an off-screen picture to (heavily compressed) direct-feed footage is certainly reasonable (but I guess you were being sarcastic).
What you think may be a "sharper" image is probably just the fact that it is an off-screen picture.
I don't know where you see better textures and better modelling (or how you would even be able to fairly judge both versions from the pictures presented).
Uhh, no. The image quality is about on par with 360 but the textures and models are exactly the same while the shadows are worse.
Not just colour, texture clarity and resolution. Look at the floor texture in the 360 version, very aliased, look at the seat, dull texture and more aliasing, the WiiU version looks much sharper with less aliasing.
Also where do you see more textures in the 360 version?
Yep.
The two images are not even at the same res so I'm not going to put much stock in them, but the Wii U version clearly looks better. Could just be compression or the way the images were captured, but from those screenshots someone claiming that the 360 version looks better is slightly crazy. (Minus the shadow res)
Edit: The floor in the Wii U version appears to have decent aniso filtering and the 360 version is a blurry mess, indicating trilinear at best.
some guy said:
Someone posted the two screens next to each other as evidence that the Wii U version looks worse but judging from those screens it looks better.
Maybe the two screens are not comparable but in that case why are we comparing them in the first place?
But that's not what the pictures show, that's all I'm commenting on. If there's a problem with the pics then ok, but they don't show equal textures and detail.
I do put some stock in his opinion, which is why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that the pictures he posted might not be representative of the true comparison, obviously he's seeing something different in game. But at the same time I'm not going to pretend that the pictures themselves make the 360 look better as some have said, because they patently don't.
You can barely make out the floor texture in the 360 screen due to the YouTube compression. I'd be hard pressed to be able to notice any differences in texture filtering.
This is really giving me flashbacks to the "Black Ops 2 Wii U: More colours" bizarreness. Similar absurd statements based on completely incomparable footage.
You absolutely should put stock in dark10x's opinion over others, what some other people are claiming to see is ridiculous.
ElRenoRaven
Member
There are framerate drops? If there are I haven't noticed them.
I've gotten 3 missions in and played some team deathmatch. So far it's been great for me. I will say though the aiming has taken awhile to get used to. I miss having auto look centering. That's an option I tick in almost every shooter I play. There seems to be no option for it here sadly though. However after a good hour with it I was starting to get used to is. Overall it's kind of fun.
I noticed some, but that was very for a brief moment and everything went smooth afterward.
No biggie guys.
fabricated backlash
Member
The hell?
Forgive me but I really don't see the logic in posting comparison screenshots, claiming the 360 version looks better, then when people point out that the Wii U version looks better claiming it's an unfair comparison.
Seems more like performance art than honest critical analysis.
Seems more like performance art than honest critical analysis.
If the criticism is based on a false premise, it's absolutely fair to point it out to the people claiming to notice better image quality in the Wii U screenshot. People seeing aliasing in the floor texture up above apparently have never seen the effects of video compression.
I'm not claiming the Wii U to be bad, I'm sure it's still worth buying. But so far, all indications clearly point to it being technically weaker in quite a few aspects.
I have about 5 hours in the multiplayer so far. Currently #8 on the highest level leaderboard (lvl 27). It plays just fine with the Wii U pro controller and I often end up in #1-3 at the end of the round. I don't get any lag, and no frame drops, and graphics look just fine. I mean none of the platforms have like Crysis or Battlefield 3 graphics so no real need to compare it to 360 since it pretty much looks the same.
And it is just like playing it on any other console, and doesn't have any sense of a watered down port at all. If anything you get the additional Wii Mote support plus can play it on the Gamepad around the house. I just play on the Wii U pro controller since it's lighter (even lighter than the 360 controller) and I do just fine on it.
And I can hop into a game super quick as well and don't have any issues once I'm in the game. If you like CoD, you'll find the same experience here that you'll find anywhere else
edit: I haven't tried the SP, but really who cares if it even does dip in frames. The MP is why you buy this game (not the 5 hours campaign), and the MP does not have any frame rate dips, nor does it have any lag. And it is not a quick port job at all, its practically the same game across all platforms
And it is just like playing it on any other console, and doesn't have any sense of a watered down port at all. If anything you get the additional Wii Mote support plus can play it on the Gamepad around the house. I just play on the Wii U pro controller since it's lighter (even lighter than the 360 controller) and I do just fine on it.
And I can hop into a game super quick as well and don't have any issues once I'm in the game. If you like CoD, you'll find the same experience here that you'll find anywhere else
edit: I haven't tried the SP, but really who cares if it even does dip in frames. The MP is why you buy this game (not the 5 hours campaign), and the MP does not have any frame rate dips, nor does it have any lag. And it is not a quick port job at all, its practically the same game across all platforms
Woaaaaaah.
Really, it's obvious it's a quick port job. For users who haven't got a 360 or PC it seems like a reasonable pick up, I mean it's not disgusting like some of the other ports. Shame there's a few dips in single player, all too common these days on all consoles (looking at you Assassin's Creed 3).
the game engine does look rather tired
15 minutes into the GB demo and I was bored with the mp
Good thing the sp had way more production value
The second pic was taken from a very low res video feed on YouTube while the WiiU shot was taken from my iPhone camera. Big difference.
Holy shit at those Wii U shadows, what in the world. I've seen more attractive grenade wounds.
JacksUsername
Member
For voice chatting on the Wii U, can you use the Gamepad's internal microphone or do you have to buy an accessory? I've seen the option to mute, but have not heard any player chat.
Meatvillain
Banned
Super bummed about the news of poor framerate, I could have lived with poorer visual effects but a worse framerate is real bad news.
Game is running pretty well for me. I need to get used to Wiimote aiming again. For the past several months I've playing FPS on my PC. Tried with the game pay but just not comfortable as the PS3 controller. Then again it just might take time to get used to as I'm not used to my hands being that far apart on a regular controller.
Game looks and plays great in single player and multiplayer as far I can see. Haven't tried Zombies yet.
Online overall was okay. Need to get used to the maps. Some I like and others are bad I think. Some are clearly designed around certain style of peoples I think. People weren't kidding about the SMG being the weapon of choice. Lagged a bit but I figure that might be more host. Some games were really smooth. While others were kinda eh then I would check and see low bars. There is suppose to be an option to connection to those closer to you right?
Game looks and plays great in single player and multiplayer as far I can see. Haven't tried Zombies yet.
Online overall was okay. Need to get used to the maps. Some I like and others are bad I think. Some are clearly designed around certain style of peoples I think. People weren't kidding about the SMG being the weapon of choice. Lagged a bit but I figure that might be more host. Some games were really smooth. While others were kinda eh then I would check and see low bars. There is suppose to be an option to connection to those closer to you right?
Dark10x's comments in the other thread mention the game runs pretty poorly (30 fps in the first level). And it's missing details and has worse lighting.
wiiu
pretty disappointing
Eh, this screenshot he took is sort of a bad example. For some reason, the shadows only look like that when far away. When up close they are a bit smoother, see below. Also two other pics for giggles. Again there is NO FRAME RATE drop in Multiplayer, which is where 99% of your game time should be in this game. And this game is no Crysis / BF3 on any of the consoles, so I don't know why you would be playing it for the graphics on any of the consoles. It looks and plays just fine, and is no bad port at all. I put in 5 hours so far and am top 10 in the leaderboard, ITS FINE.
