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Metro Last Light dev: 'Wii U has horrible, slow CPU' [Up: DICE dev comments]

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pswii60

Member
Second said:
WiiU having trouble with Ps360 ports?

I wonder how they'll port nextgen PS and Xbox games to the WiiU then...
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Developers are still trying to get to grips with new hardware. It'll blow the 360/PS3 out of the water in a year from now.

Am I doing it right?
 
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Bgamer90

Banned
Xav said:
I'm bored of developers talking about the Wii U's power based on how well their ports run. This is why I don't buy 3rd party games on Nintendo systems, they are the laziest most uncreative people on the planet the second you ask them to develop for a Nintendo platform. Seriously were Factor 5 the only ones who actually gave a shit?
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Yeah as soon as you mention "Nintendo" to them they automatically get lazy lol. It has nothing to do with the way Nintendo has made their system(s). Wow...
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Maxrunner said:
There's no way Nintendo listened to third parties with comments like these coming out....
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Honestly, I believe Nintendo DID reach out to these third parties and I wonder at what point they realized they just weren't going to listen. It's obvious they believe that what third parties said was ridiculous. Heck, listen to those Iwata speeches over the past few years where he took the industry to task over the direction they were heading.

Nintendo believes in coming up with new ways to play. Third parties don't seem to want that and instead want to push the power aspects of the machine. It's obvious they're heading in different directions.

I still believe this results in a Nintendo/Apple console next go-round.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Lyng said:
This is a bold statement. Imagine if we get some ports that are better then PS360. This developer would certainly look like an amateur.
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If a game is cpu-light and gpu-heavy it might well end up better on WiiU than PS3/360.

It would not speak against his point.
 
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G-Unit

Member
KAL2006 said:
I still don't understand what the point of the Wii U existing. With the Wii I understood it that they put motion controls in the forefront. But with the Wii U it's like releasing a 360 in 2012, the gamepad barely is a gamechanger, in fact it is more of a hassle as it makes things more expensive and battery doesn't last as long.

So this is basically what the Wii U is
- worse online than PSN and XBL
- worse multiplatform ports than PS3/360, hell many big multiplats are still notcoming GTA5, Bioshock, Tomb Raider, MGS and etc
- added Gamepad which ain't really a gamechanger, mainly used for maps texting and etc, I'd rather do that on the TV than waste battery life of the controller for an extra screen

So what is the point of Wii U, oh right HD Nintendo games, but we really should have gotten that last gen. I really think the Wii U will stumble, it will probably do slightly worse than GameCube. Of course Nintendo fans will buy it. Majority of gamers will stick with PS3/360 and move to their successors. And I doubt Wii U can be saved by the casuals like the Wii did, motion gaming appeal was far to much of a huge i hit with Wii and I don't think whis Wii U pad will come anywhere near that.
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Don't buy it, and enjoy your life. No need to be bitter about it
 
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AmFreak

Member
Panajev2001a said:
Apparently, it was not too too difficult, when the toolchain was younger, to get general purpose code performance below that of the Emotion Engine's R5900i CPU on the PPE... o_O...
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Do you have a source / more infos on this?
Cause without further details it's hard to get any information out of this.
 
C

Coolwhip

Banned
Plinko said:
If people haven't yet figured out that this is the path Nintendo has decided to take, they need to get a clue and realize it today.

This system isn't built for people who hang out on GAF. It's not built for PC gamers. It's not built for the people who care about graphics. It's not built for the hardcore (regardless of what Nintendo tried to pretend this past year).

It's built for the Nintendo fan and the casual fan. Their desire is to bring those people into gaming. If that mindset ruins their company, so be it. It worked for them with the Wii and obviously they think it is going to happen again.

Let's not keep pretending that we didn't think this was going to happen.
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And lets praise Nintendo for deciding to not go for the GAF crowd. It would have been a terrible choice.
 
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metalslimer

Member
Lyng said:
This is a bold statement. Imagine if we get some ports that are better then PS360. This developer would certainly look like an amateur.
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Not really. It would mean they actually had a budget to put towards making a better port while these people are having their game run by a basically bankrupt publisher.

The worst case scenario was its on par with current gen. Reality is that its LESS than that.... what do you call that?
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The worst case scenario was the strength of a TI83 calculator. If something is the worst you cannot be worse than it. Definitions, grammar, etc.
 
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Effect

Member
Averon said:
The recent news about Wii U's hardware makes me want to re-visit those Wii U technical threads. I'm sure there are some gems in there.
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I think it was always case in those that because of the way the Wii U was setup you had to code the game differently. I believe it was said it was designed in such a way as to take a lot of work off the CPU with there being a number of pieces of hardware with dedicated purposes. The Wii U's CPU seemingly can't take it if you try to force everything on to it instead of altering the game to take advantage of the hardware. Altering the game would naturally take more employees. So exclusives would really shine where as multiplatforms that don't take into account the system's structure from the very beginning would suffer.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Coolwhip said:
And lets praise Nintendo for deciding to not go for the GAF crowd. It would have been a terrible choice.
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I wouldn't define what MS/Sony is doing as a "terrible choice" yet. We'll see how the next MS/Sony systems do. If THOSE fail, then, yes, it would have been a terrible choice.
 
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Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
What are people gonna say and think when replacement Gamepads are available for purchase and come out to ~$80.00??
 
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kinggroin

Banned
UberTag said:
The WiiU will last that long simply due to boasting unequivocal domination of Japan.
And the strength of Nintendo IPs.
Any and all Western third-parties could drop support for the system tomorrow and Nintendo could still coast along with their first-party efforts and Japanese third-party interests (both exclusive and otherwise).
#1 in Japan and #3 everywhere else (#2 if Sony continues to struggle financially) isn't such a bad deal. Nintendo will still be making mad profits. And that doesn't even factor in their domination of the portable space.

Frankly, it's a GOOD thing the WiiU is so underpowered. Guarantees more support from the Japanese development community that way.
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where is the Seinfeld gif when you need it?
 
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tycoonheart

Member
Plinko said:
If people haven't yet figured out that this is the path Nintendo has decided to take, they need to get a clue and realize it today.

This system isn't built for people who hang out on GAF. It's not built for PC gamers. It's not built for the people who care about graphics. It's not built for the hardcore (regardless of what Nintendo tried to pretend this past year).

It's built for the Nintendo fan and the casual fan. Their desire is to bring those people into gaming. If that mindset ruins their company, so be it. It worked for them with the Wii and obviously they think it is going to happen again.

Let's not keep pretending that we didn't think this was going to happen.
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Perfect post.

Nintendo is not in it to push graphics. They have made this clear. They want to release an affordable console which allows you to play games in ways other consoles can't. They tried the hardware route with GCN and failed miserably. Anyone expecting the WiiU to compete against Ps4/xbox720 is delusional.

WiiU + PC for me. I think that combo will keep me happy.
 
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Barack Lesnar

Banned
Orayn said:
Heavy doesn't care about video games. He wants video graphics, even if they're largely non-interactive and expensive enough to tank the industry. Luckily, it looks like he might get his wish!
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Well, I've said before I think this will be the last traditional console gen so I rather we go out with a bang than a whimper.
 
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Kazuma Kiryu

Member
Coolwhip said:
And lets praise Nintendo for deciding to not go for the GAF crowd. It would have been a terrible choice.
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yeah, it's a lot better to play old games with slowdowns. i also really like my gaming accounts to be tied to a specific console, so when that breaks we can just go "well, i guess that's it". the wiiU spinning has been really funny actually.
 
Chiggs

Chiggs

Member
Xav said:
Very true but I was always under the impression 3rd party developers didn't really care more than Nintendo were giving them a Sega Saturn to develop for.


Seemed to be going okay until they made Lair on PS3.
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Then why did they switch consoles?
 
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GhostTrick

Banned
KAL2006 said:
I still don't understand what the point of the Wii U existing. With the Wii I understood it that they put motion controls in the forefront. But with the Wii U it's like releasing a 360 in 2012, the gamepad barely is a gamechanger, in fact it is more of a hassle as it makes things more expensive and battery doesn't last as long.

So this is basically what the Wii U is
- worse online than PSN and XBL
- worse multiplatform ports than PS3/360, hell many big multiplats are still notcoming GTA5, Bioshock, Tomb Raider, MGS and etc
- added Gamepad which ain't really a gamechanger, mainly used for maps texting and etc, I'd rather do that on the TV than waste battery life of the controller for an extra screen

So what is the point of Wii U, oh right HD Nintendo games, but we really should have gotten that last gen. I really think the Wii U will stumble, it will probably do slightly worse than GameCube. Of course Nintendo fans will buy it. Majority of gamers will stick with PS3/360 and move to their successors. And I doubt Wii U can be saved by the casuals like the Wii did, motion gaming appeal was far to much of a huge i hit with Wii and I don't think whis Wii U pad will come anywhere near that.
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You know, Nintendo games are good enough to justify buying hardware. Maybe that's that ?
Power, online, and multiplateform games isn't always a selling point, just see how Vita is struggling despite having those points.
 
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TheGreatMightyPoo

Banned
Coolwhip said:
And lets praise Nintendo for deciding to not go for the GAF crowd. It would have been a terrible choice.
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They'll never sell out.

They'll pick and choose things to cater towards some demographics(while maintaining their own vision) but they'll never care about messageboard wars/braggers.

They'd need a Google Translation of many of the threads here.
 
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Cheech

Member
There is Carmack level talent working at 4A Studios. Dudes know what is up.

That said, it seems fairly obvious from the lackluster performance on a lot of launch titles that there are real issues there. Many PS3 launch window multiplats were kind of chuggy, but didn't have the disastrous performance we're seeing on the Wii U.

At some point I'll give in and buy a Wii U for my kids, but my personal interest in this thing is lower than the bowel movement pic that some hooligan posted in the Nuketown 2025 thread yesterday.
 
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Orayn

Member
Heavy said:
Well, I've said before I think this will be the last traditional console gen so I rather we go out with a bang than a whimper.
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I can think of no bigger whimper than an apocalypse fueled by games that are pretty rather than substantive, but that's just me.
 
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big_erk

Member
Dorfdad said:
to be fair Metro 2033 sucked.. I could care less if it comes to Wii U.. I found it pretty boring... Also because you don't want to invest time in making it work just bash the system right?
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I played 2033 and finished it. It was a very good looking game but it had other issues besides the pretty pictures. It is a perfect example of why the Wii U's power or lack thereof doesn't concern me that much. Give me a 3D Mario, Smash Brothers, Zelda, Pikmin Mario Kart, proper Metroid along with some solid 3rd party games (I really need another Tales game on a Nintendo console) and I will be ecstatic. For everything else, it's PC baby.

GhostTrick said:
You know, Nintendo games are good enough to justify buying hardware. Maybe that's that ?
Power, online, and multiplateform games isn't always a selling point, just see how Vita is struggling despite having those points.
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Nintendo's stable of titles has always been strong enough to support its hardware. Throw in a few other unique gems from 3rd parties and all is well.
 
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gundamkyoukai

Member
UberTag said:
The WiiU will last that long simply due to boasting unequivocal domination of Japan.
And the strength of Nintendo IPs.
Any and all Western third-parties could drop support for the system tomorrow and Nintendo could still coast along with their first-party efforts and Japanese third-party interests (both exclusive and otherwise).
#1 in Japan and #3 everywhere else (#2 if Sony continues to struggle financially) isn't such a bad deal. Nintendo will still be making mad profits. And that doesn't even factor in their domination of the portable space.

Frankly, it's a GOOD thing the WiiU is so underpowered. Guarantees more support from the Japanese development community that way.
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Who is to say it's going to get the most Japanese support a fair amount of Japanese companies and IPs can't survive on Japan alone .
Wii U could be number 1 there and PS4 might still get more games because it might sell better in west along with 720.
If you think most big companies in Japan can survive if they put most of there games on Wii U and leave out PS4/720 your kidding your self .

We already knew that Wii U CPU was on the weak side so people should have saw this coming .
 
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SYNTAX182

Member
Relaxed Muscle said:
And what about more than high chances of getting ignored by 3rd parties like Wii?

People wanted a decent powerhouse not because "OH GOOD GRAPHIX" instad because a decent machine would have been more chances of 3rd parties getting more multiplatform games there.

Not only most of actual 360/PS3 ports sucks, chances of getting PS4/720 games there are more than slim...
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They tried with the gamecube/N64 and failed. Why would they try the same thing as the other 2? Tto appease a small section of the internet?
 
C

Coolwhip

Banned
kazuma_pt said:
yeah, it's a lot better to play old games with slowdowns. i also really like my gaming accounts to be tied to a specific console, so when that breaks we can just go "well, i guess that's it". the wiiU spinning has been really funny actually.
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Your reply pretty much confirms you are the GAF crowd. Nitpicky about graphics and details, slightly bitter. You should look in the Wii U impressions of friends and family, it's a whole other world.
 
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Bgamer90

Banned
Plinko said:
If people haven't yet figured out that this is the path Nintendo has decided to take, they need to get a clue and realize it today.

This system isn't built for people who hang out on GAF. It's not built for PC gamers. It's not built for the people who care about graphics. It's not built for the hardcore (regardless of what Nintendo tried to pretend this past year).

It's built for the Nintendo fan and the casual fan. Their desire is to bring those people into gaming. If that mindset ruins their company, so be it. It worked for them with the Wii and obviously they think it is going to happen again.

Let's not keep pretending that we didn't think this was going to happen.
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lol really?

So due to that no one can still be disappointed that a system that costs over $300 and was released in 2012 is this way?

I also don't get the whole "power is only something that hardcore GAF people care about". That's not true at all. There are many "casuals" that notice the difference between the usual generational gaps/improvements.
 
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AmFreak

Member
Lyng said:
This is a bold statement. Imagine if we get some ports that are better then PS360. This developer would certainly look like an amateur.
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No he wouldn't.
A gpu bound game can potentially run better on the WiiU without having a better cpu than the other one's (if the WiiU gpu is better ofc).
 
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