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Metro Last Light dev: 'Wii U has horrible, slow CPU' [Up: DICE dev comments]
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Keep milking those characters, Nintendo. This guy will lap it up.
I don't get it either. I own a PS3 and will own a PS4 (not to mention a gaming PC in the first place). WiiU might get bad versions of 3rd party games, but I won't be able to play Kirby U on any other system ever, that's why I'm buying one eventually, not because of the specs.
I'm sure they've got a few new patents just for the streaming technology. Oh and I'm sure they made sure to protect the rights for the U in the WiiU logo.
JaseMath
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Little Green Yoda
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for devs: similar hardware = easy porting = more money
for gamers: multiplatform titles = less need to own multiple consoles = more money for more games
Rollo Lawson
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Third party games don't have to be ports. 3rd parties can develop for the hardware. Maybe Nintendo didn't want a port machine
I see...
Scary some people actually believe this is true.
Tallshortman
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For people trying to make comparisons to early PS3, the PS3 had exotic hardware in the Cell and most devs didn't say it was less powerful, they just said it was harder to crack at first. Isn't the Wii U using a powerPC tri core CPU? That's pretty standard stuff. Metro guys know their PC hardware and I wouldn't be surprised if the CPU was pretty weak.
JoshuaJSlone
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Overall above, but different enough that comparing every component to every equivalent component it's not going to win out in all categories. Games built around the other hardwares' bottlenecks and ported over without major modifications are going to run into different bottlenecks and end up the worst of both worlds.
If you would just pay attention. The wii u is struggling with current generation engines because its architecture is too advanced.
Owning both HD twins is a-okay, owning a PS3 and a Wii is not.
Flying Toaster
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*sigh * I'm a fanboy.
If your a fanboy at least own a PC so you can get some of the other stuff that Nintendo will never have access to.
IHaveCandy
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So basically, if you go to the Wii U as an ignorant consumer with no real expectations of what a modern day gaming console should do, you're golden.
Then why did they highlight ports during their conference? The inference was that they'd finally be getting the same games PS360 do so consumers can enjoy those games in addition to their usual first party stuff.
Flying Toaster
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I heard that argument for the PS3... see how well that went.
Didn't they optimize their engine a lot this time around?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
GPUs really can't do that much general processing. They can dump physics and video processing on the GPU but it's not going to boost performance across the board in the general case.
RurouniZel
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Because surely 3rd parties don't makes the same games from the same IPs all the time! They aren't artistically bankrupt!
(Looks at Call of Duty, Battlefield, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Sonic, Resident Evil, 007, Assassin's Creed games lining the shelves)
Nope, no milking going on at all in 3rd party land.
JaseMath
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I don't like PC gaming. I don't like the idea of always having to upgrade cards and since I keep my PC separate from my home entertainment center, the idea of having to be tied to a computer desk to play a game on a small(ish) screen with ho-hum audio doesn't appeal to me.
metalslimer
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He's being sarcastic.
Rollo Lawson
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For attention? I'm not saying they are infallible at all...still no excuse for outright abandonment
Dark-Cloudz
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So dumb... Nintendo just don't learn, or care a bout devs. But hey - I'll buy anything with a Nintendo logo on it. Such a sucker.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yeah, "lol, really." Put aside the trolling and look at things objectively as I tried to do in that post.
Nowhere did I say people couldn't "be disappointed." NOWHERE.
Also, nowhere did I say that "power is only something that hardcore GAF people care about." Read it again.
Reality for some of you is really hard to accept for whatever reasons. Calling this designer or developer names or swearing you're having a great time with the console doesn't change the fact that the Wii-U doesn't have impressive specs/efficient specs hardware wise for the year 2012.
And that fact alone means that 3rd party developers will have to spend extra time and resources just to make the Wii-U version as good as 7 and 6 year old hardware. Just typing that out makes me shake my head.
And that fact alone means that 3rd party developers will have to spend extra time and resources just to make the Wii-U version as good as 7 and 6 year old hardware. Just typing that out makes me shake my head.
Ofc but didn't they say they improved their engine a lot ?
Vanillalite
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Sucks that it is under horse powered.
That being said out of order processing and direct coding for the dsp should help. It isn't going to be a cure all though. It also means games can't be ported as easily as they would need significant work to take advantage of these things to get out closer to on par with say the 360.
That being said out of order processing and direct coding for the dsp should help. It isn't going to be a cure all though. It also means games can't be ported as easily as they would need significant work to take advantage of these things to get out closer to on par with say the 360.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That was a big boy post for serious discussion. If you want to have it, I'm here.
Heh, I think they wanted it. they spent a significant amount of time talking about "core 3rd party support" during their conferences.
Heck, some of the people currently defending Nintendo are basically going against what Nintendo said they wanted to do.
"Why did you guys expect this from Nintendo?!!?!?!!"... umm... because of what they said during their conferences? There was much more of an obvious/upfront focus for having (core) 3rd party support for the Wii U before release than there was for the Wii during its early stage(s).
I remember there were lots of gaffers claiming that Wii U would handle next-gen ports fine because of modern shaders. This piece of steaming s*** can't even handle current-gen ports. How is it suppose to handle next-gen ports? Those fanboys are just grasping straws.
As much as I love Nintendo, I have to say this.
Prepare.
It's going to be Wii all over again guys.
As much as I love Nintendo, I have to say this.
Prepare.
It's going to be Wii all over again guys.
Rollo Lawson
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Touche, it's true. Still again, this doesn't excuse the way 3rd parties have been treating Nintendo for a while now. Ubisoft got with the program, dedicated resources and they were pretty successful with Wii... You dont have to port everything to make money
IHaveCandy
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Third party companies tend to create new IPs at the start of a generation. Nobody is upset that Nintendo keeps making Mario/Zelda games the problem is theyvdontbreally make new stuff. Only very rarely.
zomgbbqftw
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
But it was obvious things changed over the course of development here. Another example is EA's statements about "unprecedented" online partnership with Nintendo.
Difference is you buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games, and Nintendo fans are always pointing to Nintendo developers for the console. Much bigger onus on Nintendo developed games. So when someone says Nintendo games are getting stale, few to no new IP's or originality it carries more weight.
If you want to ignore the original comment that started that and go deeper though I think the bigger showing of importance is the difference of this strategy in console if MS or Sony released a Wii-U. Without the "Nintendo games" there to fall back on with the console how do you think the reaction to a Wii-U type console released by Sony or MS would have been compared to this? Third parties mean much much more to those companies hence why they are bending over backwards for third party requests for hardware.
Nintendo can weather this third party storm on 1st party titles alone, they have already with previous consoles. Brings us back to the original comment of new IP's from Nintendo developers. They bought Monolith, which was good on them, but when people say new IP's from Nintendo they are really saying new IP's from the big M. And the only one that springs to mind from Wii was Wii Music (Wii Sports?). Mario, Zelda and Metroid yes thats what people want and expect but to keep your brand fresh and energized you have to get something new in there.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I'd rather be having a great time than discussing something as rigid as raw numbers on a board.
Most PC games are actually console ports, so unless your video card is from before 2005-2006, you shouldn't have to change it to play current PC games. No one is forcing you to always have the latest video card available, it's just an option if you prefer to have higher performance. I've had mine for the past 2 years and i think it will be good enough until the other next-gen consoles are released.
snowdog1971
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Blimey, not this old chestnut again lol.
If you're making a cheap port without any sort of effort of course the CPU isn't going to be up to snuff. That's why the U has an ARM co-processor, eDRAM, DSP and IO processor. If that wasn't enough it's an Out of Order Execution processor. General processing it should be fine, the Broadway outperforms the Xenon in terms of general processing. Anything else needs doing you've got dedicated silicon sitting there.
Want to do some floating point work..? That's what the GPGPU is for.
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Nothing to see here, ladies and gentlemen, move along now.
If you're making a cheap port without any sort of effort of course the CPU isn't going to be up to snuff. That's why the U has an ARM co-processor, eDRAM, DSP and IO processor. If that wasn't enough it's an Out of Order Execution processor. General processing it should be fine, the Broadway outperforms the Xenon in terms of general processing. Anything else needs doing you've got dedicated silicon sitting there.
Want to do some floating point work..? That's what the GPGPU is for.
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Nothing to see here, ladies and gentlemen, move along now.
Lucent
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So it shouldn't have as much trouble porting 720/PS4 games?
Because if its going to have trouble getting next gen games, current gen games, and last gen games.... oooh boy :/
metalslimer
Member
Uh...than why are you in this topic? This is almost as bad the Vita sales topics where Vita fans whined about not caring about sales
You can play PC games on your TV you know. This is not 2005 anymore.
But to each his own of course.
Yes, critical feedback/honest logical opinions = "trolling".
Hilarious.
Then why did your post criticize people that were expecting better?
So saying "the system isn't built for people on GAF..." isn't implying that power is something that only gamers like the ones on GAF would care about?
If so, why would you even make that statement?
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