it's pretty sickening seeing develoeprs too lazy to bother to learn new hardware. i don't know why everyone is out to get nintendo these days, i think it's just jealously because nintendo continues to innovate with games like nintendoland while everyone else is stuck developing shooter dudebro up 5.
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Metro Last Light dev: 'Wii U has horrible, slow CPU' [Up: DICE dev comments]
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Arkam was confirmed as legit by the mods. This after he warned you. Should have been a red flag. If he was making things up, they would have banned instead of confirming.
I kind of resent the anti-Nintendo fanboys remark. I have great love for Nintendo. Of the three console makers, it's Nintendo who captured my youth. My fight against the tide (before abandoning those threads for my own sanity) was because you could easily read between the lines and get the gist of what was really happening. I had frustration that not only was Nintendo going down this particular route, but that people weren't being critical enough to read between the lines and bracing themselves for reality.
"2-3x" was quite a common speculation over the past months. Even more than that (4x?) was brought up by an IGN rumour, and some people rolled with that.
You are not AstroLad.
It probably has come in slightly crapper than I expected, but not by much. The biggest clue always was the size of the case.
Nah, but the I need a New PC thread will.
Chû Totoro;44595807 said:
maybe around: Phenom II X4 965 + Geforce 650/HD7770 + 8GB Ram + Mainboard. (This would be miles better than WiiU)
But if u really start from the scratch and you need a tower + drive + HDD mhh, no idea. There are always some fixed Cost you always have when u build a complete new PC.
If u counting mouse, keyboard and controller it will be very hard with 300$ xD
Everyone is out to get Nintendo and Sony lol. MS seems to be doing everything fine 0_-
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
People need to remember to never trust IGN any more when it comes to hardware matters. They were wrong on the 3DS and they were way off on this one, too.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
I haven't been to those speculation threads much, but I imagine even the "disappointing" version of specifications is still leagues better than Wii U.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I think it's MUCH more likely that the specs are good but we see many defending an astronomical price.
We saw people defending Sony's use of expensive proprietary memory during the Vita introduction, so anything is possible.
True, but the disappointing "version" of PS4 at least is quite disappointing. (I don't think that one will happen though)
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Another clue about Arkam being legit was that when he made those posts and people questioned him he just said, and I'm paraphrasing "Believe me or don't, it's fine" and then went on his way. He didn't try to become some sort of forum insider celebrity.
Oh, the specs will be good. However, I do see some potential "not awesome but this is good" comments after they're unveiled.
Oh yes. I mean there's even people not that impressed by the UE4 demo or Agni's Philosophy.
True, but the VITA proved that having good specs isnt everything (directly compared to the 3DS).
Also, but this is pure speculation by this point if Sony is going to continue they way they are doing business now in the next-gen, Nintendo is gonna be in a comfortable second place (with worse hardware).
imo
klapauzius
Banned
Shin'en: The performance problem of hardware nowadays is not clock speed but ram latency. Fortunately Nintendo took great efforts to ensure developers can really work around that typical bottleneck on Wii U. They put a lot of thought on how CPU, GPU, caches and memory controllers work together to amplify your code speed ... The Wii U has enough of potential for the next years to create jaw-dropping visuals.
Gearbox (Aliens: Colonial Marines): Wii U is a Powerful, Powerful Machine
Two Tribes: Today we discovered a new hardware feature of the Wii U that shaves off 100 megabytes of texture memory usage
Michael Ancel (Rayman Legends): The Wii U is surprisingly powerful ... You can really have huge textures, and its crazy because sometimes the graphic artist we built our textures in very high-dentition. They could be used in a movie. Then we compress them, but sometimes they forget to do the compression and it still works! So yeah, its quite powerful.
Gearbox (Aliens: Colonial Marines): Wii U is a Powerful, Powerful Machine
Two Tribes: Today we discovered a new hardware feature of the Wii U that shaves off 100 megabytes of texture memory usage
Michael Ancel (Rayman Legends): The Wii U is surprisingly powerful ... You can really have huge textures, and its crazy because sometimes the graphic artist we built our textures in very high-dentition. They could be used in a movie. Then we compress them, but sometimes they forget to do the compression and it still works! So yeah, its quite powerful.
AstroNut325
Member
Are there any indications pointing to a disappointing spec sheet of the 1080p twins?
No, but as far as im aware there are no legit spec sheets out? im just saying i hope people arent expecting 8 core, 16gb ram, twin gpu monsters (because its next-gen)
BattleMonkey
Member
Not really, all they will care about that it's faster and better than the WiiU. They are also just going to spend all their time comparing the PS4 and 720 to each other while ignoring the WiiU
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Well, I'm probably going to be in that group because I thought the Star Wars 1313 demo everyone was gaga over wasn't much more impressive than the Uncharted series.
Which is interesting: That's all MS and Sony really care about too. Talk about perfect alignment between company and fan.
Chû Totoro
Member
I'm not quoting anyone but thank you all for your very constructive answers !
I now understand better the different point of view. Clearly Nintendo's choice is coherent with its marketing decisions but it may be a little dangerous if they want a good third party support.
Maybe Nintendo is ok to see themselves as the + one.
Durango + Wii-U or PS4 + Wii-U surely would be ok for them... but not sure that happens.
300$ is not that expensive but Nintendo's accessories are expensive (imo) and new Sony's and Microsoft's systems won't cost 300$ :/
Also do you think a new version of the GamePad could lead to a jump in the Wii-U games graphics? I mean if they manage to have more things done directly by the GamePad but maybe that's not even possible.
I now understand better the different point of view. Clearly Nintendo's choice is coherent with its marketing decisions but it may be a little dangerous if they want a good third party support.
Maybe Nintendo is ok to see themselves as the + one.
Durango + Wii-U or PS4 + Wii-U surely would be ok for them... but not sure that happens.
300$ is not that expensive but Nintendo's accessories are expensive (imo) and new Sony's and Microsoft's systems won't cost 300$ :/
Also do you think a new version of the GamePad could lead to a jump in the Wii-U games graphics? I mean if they manage to have more things done directly by the GamePad but maybe that's not even possible.
Didn't it start with the Ipad?
I agree, 1313 isn't that impressive. I want to see Agni's Philosophy running on PS4 at next years' E3.
Teletraan1
Banned
Chû Totoro;44595807 said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-introducing-the-digital-foundry-pc
If we're just talking about the CPU here, I think a lot of people will be disappointed by the CPUs in the next-gen systems.
When the 360 and PS3 came out, their CPUs were absurdly fast and power hungry, even compared to desktop components. Prior generation systems (PS2/Xbox) housed CPUs that were well below desktop standards. We can never expect that leap again. Furthermore, desktop CPUs haven't evolved all that much since the launch of the Core 2 Duo in 2006. Current CPUs are what, 1.8x faster clock for clock when compared to the Core 2? That's when comparing Intel...as next-gen systems are going to be using AMD sourced parts things are actually a lot worse than that.
To be honest, I don't expect the next-gen system CPUs to be much more than 1.5-2x as fast as their current gen counterparts, if even that. I don't expect the next-gen CPUs to be the powerhouses they were relative to desktop components.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It had worse gameplay animation and people in cutscenes compared to UC3 and TLOU, but it had better particle and post-proc effects than probably anything. This becomes especially obvious when you see high res screens of it, it comes across like a movie VFX almost.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
What did IGN say?
Chû Totoro;44596221 said:
I think it's possible that Nintendo looked at their options and decided, "Screw this. We'll just go it alone again, buying 3rd party support where we think it's vital, while avoiding the war with Sony and MS." Being all cuddly with Platinum Games is likely an indication of that. To be frank, Nintendo could probably build a pretty good library off of the debris left by MS and Sony as they push development costs higher and fewer devs are able to compete in that space outside of download-only titles.
dragonfart28
Banned
After watching the ME3 comparison vids, it's obvious that the CPU should not be defined as "horrible" or "slow". It is definitely a challenge for developers to overcome, but does not adversely affect the gameplay experience.
Interesting point, could be a good thing for nintendo.
They get refreshed so often they've had about twenty generations by the time one traditional console generation is over. They follow the MacBook model, which of course is part of the PC family which is genless.
But I guess this just goes to show that the lines between these technologies is blurring and no one know what next or current generation is. Which is a shame because I was quite looking forward to the phrase next-next gen when GameTrailers finds they don't have the capability to call the 360 a last generation console.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Don't forget their treatment of the eShop devs as well--no fees for patches/DLC. That could draw in a lot of indie devs.
Steve Youngblood
Member
You realize that this is just spin, right?
DragonSworne
Banned
So all we have are heresay and rumors based on old dev kits and quick ports?
Cool
Cool
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Meh. Didn't find it interesting in the least, and I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I saw nothing there that would add to my gaming experience. Agni's Philosophy, on the other hand, looks like something I want.
They built a PC with parts based around rumored Wii U parts and benchmarked it. It was beyond ridiculous.
I think that's a bit too dismissive. Developers have had a method of distributing their game workload for a long time now (CPU for physics, graphics on GPU obviously) and it seems Wii U has gimped a well used part under the assumption devs will now use another part for this work. This has two implications.
1) It means that what benefit the GPU has over current GPU's is diminished because it now has to do the work of the CPU.
2) Developers have to retool and rework their pipelines and code.
If Nintendo had made the RAM and CPU equal to current gen then I think it's likely developers would have had an easier time. That's a good thing.
When Orbis/Durango come around, even though those will be GPU centric as well, as I understand it they will have processors and RAM that will make it possible to brute force 360/PS3 ports. This means their ports will be better and they can transition more easily to their new GPU centric way of working.
I'm sure there's some term for it (Dickhead maybe?
) but in a way when I start to feel like a company has made unnecessary sacrifices out of arrogance or extreme cheapness, part of me wants them to fall, and fall hard. I'll still get a Wii U and enjoy what games I get, but my hope for the console as a third party port target is slowly fading.Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I think that's a bit too dismissive. Developers have had a method of working and distributing that work for a long time now (CPU for physics, graphics on GPU obviously) and it seems Wii U has gimped a well used part under the assumption devs will now use another part for this work. This has two implications.
1) It means that what benefit the GPU has over current GPU's is diminished because it now has to do the work of the CPU.
2) Developers have to retool and rework their pipelines and code.
If Nintendo had made the RAM and CPU equal to current gen then I think it's likely developers would have had an easier time. That's a good thing.
When Orbis/Durango come around, even though those will be GPU centric as well, as I understand it they will have processors and RAM that will make it possible to brute force 360/PS3 ports. This means their ports will be better and they can transition more easily to their new GPU centric way of working.
I'm sure there's some term for it (Dickhead maybe?
He was being sarcastic.
It very well could. If it impedes the developer's ability to implement CPU based features (physics, AI, etc...), then it can adversely affect gameplay.
Chû Totoro
Member
Thanks but
and no keyboard, mouse and controller... and like I said (even if I admit that it's also not with consoles) you will play on your TV here... no monitor or speakers (I have an iMac for example so I can't go PC without these).
But I reckon that with 300$ Nintendo may have done better... or if not they could have made a little more expensive system to please almost everyone. I'm not sure all devs are unhappy with this... devs who are making very impressive looking games are unhappy (so mainly FPS here) but all the PSN gems could come on Wii-U for sure.
iamshadowlark
Banned
You can't be serious.
I'm probably one of the few who believed him.
After :
1. the confirmation of the CPU project name expresso,
2. the previous B3D enhanced broadway rumours about the CPU posted by a user named 'expresso'
it sounded like 1+1=2
TAS
Member
Well apparently we have so many 'experts' that think they know it all here--so we should just take their word for it.
DragonSworne
Banned
Wasn't Xbox 360 CPU bottlenecked anyway? It had to use one thread for the OS and Sound processing each. This basically takes 30% away from any given game.
How does that compare to the WiiU which is not bottlenecked and has more access to CPU power during gameplay? I think on paper it will look weaker, but given that the WiiU is extremely balanced, it should outperform Xbox360's CPU.
How does that compare to the WiiU which is not bottlenecked and has more access to CPU power during gameplay? I think on paper it will look weaker, but given that the WiiU is extremely balanced, it should outperform Xbox360's CPU.
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