freenudemacusers
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that... was the joke...Chû Totoro;44603572 said:
like gregor said, just wait for the other two... I got some boyscout popcorn here that I'm saving for next year.
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Metro Last Light dev: 'Wii U has horrible, slow CPU' [Up: DICE dev comments]
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BruceLeeRoy
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Dang those DICE comments. I will be shocked if the Wii U isn't solidly in last place this cycle.
I read this more as:
You know, we would have made a Metro port but our resources are limited and its a lot of work to get our game up and running on the Wii U because of the slower then expected CPU
then:
The Wii U is crappy and we cant make games on it because its underpowered.
I don't see the problem here. If this thing sells software, eventually everybody will be willing to work within the limitations of the Wii U. The market decides where the software goes.
You know, we would have made a Metro port but our resources are limited and its a lot of work to get our game up and running on the Wii U because of the slower then expected CPU
then:
The Wii U is crappy and we cant make games on it because its underpowered.
I don't see the problem here. If this thing sells software, eventually everybody will be willing to work within the limitations of the Wii U. The market decides where the software goes.
Chû Totoro
Member
No Kojima games on Wii-U. So disapointment for some, nothing for some others.
And a lot of material for GAF to post instead of playing games
Edit :
I'm bad at this... sorry. Even when facing people I can't understand irony :/
Raitosaito
Member
I don't get you guys. Nintendo have already stated games will be "full HD."
If that doesn't mean this console has superior hardware, and an easier to develop for toolset just not comprehensible by this Metro guy you are insane.
If that doesn't mean this console has superior hardware, and an easier to develop for toolset just not comprehensible by this Metro guy you are insane.
Then the defense and offense switch sides and we get this all over again
I'd expect the much larger gnawing to be around the PS4 vs. the Xbox 720, especially if the rumors are true and they're actually incredibly similar systems even in terms of basic parts.
The Wii U CPU is a treasure chest waiting to be opened but developers are too stupid to find the key. Yeah it's objectively slower than other next gen CPUs but once you unlock the hidden power of the R700 motherboard and 2GB FDGXRAM you can maximize the total clock speeds of the polygon shader. You just need to put in the time and effort.
And don't get me started on the gigaflops.
And don't get me started on the gigaflops.
^lol wow. Edit: lol ok you got me, touché
Yup, based on some of the posts in the speculation threads, it's going to be entertaining.
If one turns out more powerful than the other, ohhhhh boy look out lol
Yup, based on some of the posts in the speculation threads, it's going to be entertaining.
If one turns out more powerful than the other, ohhhhh boy look out lol
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
This might be really naive but is there still anti PS3 or anti 360 people around that aren't exclusively Nintendo fans? This gen really showed how diverse all the systems are but especially Sony and Msoft. I don't know how anyone can not have both by now.
Plus the comparison threads don't seem to be as filled with Vitriol as they were when the systems were in their infancy.
.....Who am I kidding, it's going to be a blood bath
Very true... Frightening times are ahead, especially if they're released in close proximity.
There should be a dedicated thread to save ignorant comments like this.
Schweinehund
Member
Wasn't this the same argument with ps3's cell processor?
Whatever system is easiest to develop on and has a large install base will be the lead platform.
edit: nvm, woosh.
The market was there on the Wii and software didn't come. Everybody kept on saying that there is no HC crowd because the latest shitty casual spinoff did not sell.
Shining Sunshine
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Except the Cell was like 5 years ahead of its time.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Bookmark it baby!
This might be really naive but is there still anti PS3 or anti 360 people around that aren't exclusively Nintendo fans? This gen really showed how diverse all the systems are but especially Sony and Msoft. I don't know how anyone can not have both by now.
Plus the comparison threads don't seem to be as filled with Vitriol as they were when the systems were in their infancy.
.....Who am I kidding, it's going to be a blood bath
It's definitely a lot lower than it used to be, but the sentiment still exists.
When Move and Kinect were revealed we had a ton of fighting, and the Halo 4 Digital Foundry thread was basically a giant Xbox 360 vs. PS3 graphics argument.
A few of the Insomniac threads even still have people sitting there talking about how they're the great betrayers.
We make efforts to try and contain these things early, but there's only so many of us versus the amount of people itching for a fight.
Marcovaldo
Member
if the poster has a nintendo avatar then it's serious
Raitosaito
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alfredofroylan
Member
I don't remember Koina saying anything bad about any console; maybe I'm wrong.
if they are ended to be very similar,I think it will be a bigger problem for Wii U to get ports(even downscaled ports) from them since most developers will not waste any resources for just one very different and weaker system.
Steve Youngblood
Member
He might ultimately be wrong, but what exactly sounds so ignorant about it? He's predicting that the other two platforms will perform better. It's not like it's some hyperbolic prediction that this thing will tank worse than the Atari Jaguar.
That's quite the ignorant statement. I hope it was a joke.
And regarding the Microsoft and Sony feud, it may seem calm now, but all it takes are a few rumors and specs and it'll ignite the fuel once again. Hell, look at this CPU thread, it will be very similar.
You can at least wait until the next consoles are announced to start the fanboy mud slinging
Tallshortman
Member
Yep, it could very well turn out to be the wii again with a few ports like CoD and sports games.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Well that explains it. I'm not a fan of either motion control product and I stopped going to any Insomniac, GT, Forza, or DF thread so I guess I have a narrow viewpoint.
He's clearly talking about sales.
PS2, Wii, DS and 3DS should all help people remember that the least powerfull system is always the one that wins.
SMS > NES yet the NES won
SNES > MD yet the SFC only took Japan
N64 > PSone yet the PSone won
etc...
Developpers know that they screwed up this gen by ignoring the Wii, they really shouldn't make the same mistake twice in a row, else next gen is going to look even more like a graveyard than it does right now.
darkistheway
Member
I'm pretty sure it is hyperbole; the wii u has probably outsold the Jaguar already.
I think the only two reasons third-parties endured supporting PS3's challenging architecture is because they know they there would be a strong core gamer audience on the platform. The sales of their games would ultimately make it worth the effort. In addition, multiplatform business model became a more of a commmon practice due to the rise of development costs. We've seen several big former exclusive franchises turn multiplatform while exclusives have begun to fade away. I suppose PS3 only has more exclusives than 360 because some Japanese developers remain fervant in their support of making Japanse games that largely appeal to Japanese gamers.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
No one would care since we knew he was never gonna make a game on Wii U.
DragonSworne
Banned
Kojima is not a programmer
He would need to do more than a single game a gen. MGS4 was what, almost 5 years ago?
Well, I'd say it's less that you have a narrow viewpoint, and more that the areas in which people argue have gotten decidedly narrow.
It's just that I suspect that won't hold true when we hit E3 and are seeing the latest showpieces from Microsoft and Sony.
With the way the graphics pipeline is designed in DX11, your software technology can have incredibly dramatic effects on visual quality notably beyond what we've seen this generation since the graphics pipeline is no longer heavily fixed function.
If they do have very similar machines, the differences might still appear to be quite large if one of them has a superior engine, artists who understand how to work with the strength of their engine, and/or a game design that allows them to push more visually (such as being decidedly linear versus a large open world where you can go anywhere).
At that point, we might have people having a huge debate over hardware quality when the hardware is the same three parts with minor modifications, when the real answer is the people working with it. It also means that if one of them starts out strong, the other could actually seem to take a large leap ahead just on the strength of engine technology instead of having a set in stone hardware dominance, meaning that we see a lot more sudden perception shifts, which can cause sustained arguments.
Would be awesome if he made a new Boktai game for WiiU. Very unlikely though because Konami only wants him to make MGS games.
"Programmers who follow Nintendo philosophy of honour and efficiency"
Hahaha, oh wow.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
MGS
W is also this gen and now he's working on Ground Zeroes. I don't think we'll see any of his works on Wii U, for some reason he dosn't see Nintendo platforms to be a good place for his games.He was supossed to give us this for 3DS owners:
We got this instead:
Steve Youngblood
Member
Well, going all-in on "make or break" AAA-budgeted games may not be the wisest route to go for every studio. However, I'm not really sure how conceding that point makes the Wii U the go to platform for playing it safe.
The issue here is it seems full HD is the same type of HD we got on these other platforms, only this time HDMI is there right out of the gate.
I don't like being one of those guys but we've been in an HD era for quite a few years now, and for Nintendo to only meet the baseline of this is nothing short of disappointing.
I agree with this. There would be plenty of Nintendo cheerleaders and trolls from this thread alone that would fit right in there.
Yeah that thread was sad, I'm embarrased I posted in there.
I would love it if both systems were the same internally. One step closer to my one console dream. Would also cut down on the bickering over lazy ports and lazy devs.
he was joking...
Dreams-Visions
Member
Shit.
When major developers start saying openly that they think the lifespan is going to be short, it makes me want to return the system. Not sure if I want a launch version of something that isn't going to last me very long.
idk.
When major developers start saying openly that they think the lifespan is going to be short, it makes me want to return the system. Not sure if I want a launch version of something that isn't going to last me very long.
idk.
DragonSworne
Banned
Guys,
WiiU is able to take the lastest and greatest 360 games and in a matter of weeks get them up and running.
That's power no matter how you look at it.
Xbox 360 might be 6 years old, but games like blops2 and AC3 certainly weren't around then
WiiU is able to take the lastest and greatest 360 games and in a matter of weeks get them up and running.
That's power no matter how you look at it.
Xbox 360 might be 6 years old, but games like blops2 and AC3 certainly weren't around then
The Wii did not sell HC software well. There are many reasons for that. Please read my post again, I specifically say sells software! There really is no reason why the Wii U will not get hardcore games like everybody knows them. It has good controller options for that.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Developers are normal people that dosn't know shit of we're the market is gonna go. Initial support for the Wii U may be not there but if the market responds those developers will have to eat crow and make games for it...
At worst the Wii U situation will be similar to the Wii, something that is far from ideal for a lot of people but very far too form the fact is gonna dissapear in the next 2 years...
If you're talking about Darksaiders 2 I don't think is the greatest 360 game...
Would be Wii U able to have Halo 4 without any compromise? I really don't think so.
well you are still in time to return it... you can buy it back when maybe it will be worth to have one and maybe even with more space on it for the same price.
It's not supposed to be the "Go to" and it'S not supposed to be an afterthought either. It should be one of the multiplat SKU, day and date with the other ones while taking advantage of its features.
Ignoring a large (enormous in the Wii's case) userbase is incredibly stupid and suicidal.
Also Treyarch proved that you could give the wii those "AAA" games with proper tooling and scaling. The CoD games sold very well (even if not as much as their "HDTwins" counterparts, because the damage was already done).
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