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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos

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insin

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I've concocted a little experiment for you to focus on the quality of the bulk of the game journalism you're subjecting yourself to in reviews, without an often-inaccurate, uninformative, potentially-dorito-flavoured TL;DR at the end tempting you to bypass the rest. Since I can't create topics, being NeoGaf's account equivalent of a Hollow, this seems like a relevant place to put it.

You don't have to tap cubes, crush servers or make game designers break down in tears, just install this user stylesheet with the Stylish extension for Firefox or Chrome the next time you're about to read a game review. This stylesheet attempts to hide review scores and in-site references to review scores (i.e. comments) on a bunch of gaming sites. If one of your go-to site isn't covered, let me know (or add it yourself and submit a pull request if you're au fait with CSS) - it usually only takes a few minutes to add a new site.

Did you get a good feel for it?
Did it actually inform you in useful ways?
Did you find yourself wanting to know the score?
Was it any better than a long forum post, which tends not to have a score at the end either?
Did you get an unbidden urge for fizzy drinks or fried snacks?
 
No stopping this train.

Guy gets called out on his bullshit review.





The comments lol


Then heads to twitter for a circle-jerk with his buddies.

Remember when Dave Halverson caught hell for this vile mixture of purple prose and yellow journalism?

I love the defense he gave later in the comments:



200 kills. Hell yeah. Another part of the problem. But this is another story.

I see he's a black belt in WoW Forum-Fu. I expected no better.
 

Shaneus

Member
I've never heard the term "purple prose" before, but my GOD does that describe my biggest hate here.

We need some kind of filter on that in Firefox to try and detect how much of a review is full of that shit. I'd wager that Absolution review would be 100%. Fitting, really.
 
Don't know if posted but HOLY SHIT, ICE COLD AND BRUTAL. Written by the infamous Rab Florence:

http://effingarcade.tumblr.com/post/36277287313/molyneux-and-fucking-kickstarter

Rab Florence said:
Molyneux and Fucking Kickstarter

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They will kill it.

Be in no doubt. These established industry veterans, who could achieve their goals through traditional paths, will kill Kickstarter with their greed.

“Greed” might seem harsh. But here we see Peter Molyneux, as established a figure as you can find in the games industry, asking his audience to take on all the risk associated with his new product. Here is a man who has over-promised and under-delivered for over a decade, asking people like me and you to pay up front for his latest venture.

Do you believe for even one second that Molyneux couldn’t find that financial backing elsewhere? I don’t.

Kickstarter has shown us many cases where creative people who can’t find the funding to realise their unique vision have been saved by like-minded people who want to see those projects happen. That’s a good thing. I’m not talking about those people. Small teams, great ideas, outsiders. That’s all good.

But these capitalist animals, Molyneux and Braben to name but two, are transforming Kickstarter into a shopping website for products that don’t yet exist. They package their products with ridiculous “bonuses” that the gaming audience are paying small fortunes to secure. This is the same game audience that, just a few years ago, was laughing Bethesda out of the room for charging a small amount of cash for horse armour. And we at least knew something about that game.

We are being exploited.

Molyneux and Braben have both used the same marketing trick too. Braben goes back to the space games we always wanted him to return to. Molyneux returns to the god games. They’re both saying “HEY GUYS, WE’RE GIVING YOU WHAT YOU WANTED! NOW LET’S DO THIS THING TOGETHER!” It’s a trick. Or maybe Molyneux would call it “an experiment”. What happened to good old fashioned investment, guys? You know, where we gave you some money and shared in the risk and maybe actually fucking GAINED from it somewhere down the line? What happened to THAT experiment?

What is going on is cynical, and it’s ugly. These established game designers have recognised that people have started to use Kickstarter as a thing that helps them to define who they are and what they love. When someone backs a project, it’s not entirely about the specific project. If you back a point and click adventure game, you’re telling the world that you love that genre. You’re saying that it matters to you. That makes you easy to exploit. It’s the easiest thing in the world for a cold fuck in a suit to exploit someone with heart.

It’s great to have people who like your stuff. It’s great to have support. What’s even better is you appreciating that THEY’RE the ones that YOU should be trying to pay back for that support. If people enjoy what you do and have made you in any way relevant in our culture, then YOU owe THEM something.

HEY YOU LOVE ME PAY FOR ME TO RECORD MY ALBUM!

HEY YOU LOVED ME YEARS AGO PAY FOR ME TO RE-DO MY OLD IDEAS!

HEY I’M KINDA SORTA FAMOUS PAY FOR ME TO DO SOME SHIT MAYBE I DUNNO WHATEVER!

You think I haven’t ever considered running a Kickstarter? You think I haven’t thought to myself - “Hey, I could Kickstarter this games blog, raise money to film stuff, raise money for better equipment, raise money so that I can spend more time on it all, raise money to indulge my own ego!”

But then you stop and ask yourself if you can do it on your own.

And if you can? Even if it’s a struggle? And you STILL start a Kickstarter?

Then FUCK YOU, Molyneux. And all who came before you.

And, depressingly, all those yet to inevitably fucking come.

And this right here is why I love his shit.
 

Shaneus

Member
Don't know if posted but HOLY SHIT, ICE COLD AND BRUTAL. Written by the infamous Rab Florence:

http://effingarcade.tumblr.com/post/36277287313/molyneux-and-fucking-kickstarter



And this right here is why I love his shit.
That's fucking awesome. Completely different viewpoint to anything I'd considered before, but definitely one that I'll be keeping in the back of my mind for all future potential investments.

There's a fine line between something like this and, say, Star Citizen. But the key difference is that you can see how something like what Roberts was going for would never pick up a major publisher, whereas what Molyneux wants to do could well be picked up quite easily. New Populous? Pubs would be lining up for that shit.

Massive respect to Rab for that article.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
Someone had to say it. After "OLD SCHOOL RPG", I started to feel like I was being milked, and Kickstarter is rapidly becoming an ugly thing that is safe and plays to emotional stuff like nostalgia instead of harvesting the ideas that no publisher would run.

Good job, Rab.
 
Someone had to say it. After "OLD SCHOOL RPG", I started to feel like I was being milked, and Kickstarter is rapidly becoming an ugly thing that is safe and plays to emotional stuff like nostalgia instead of harvesting the ideas that no publisher would run.

Good job, Rab.

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conman

Member
Sorry for the late reply, just saw this and wanted to comment.



In the US, it is an FTC regulation that must be complied with, as I understood it. At times I've forgotten to put which company furnished us with a copy of X game. I did try to remember though!

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm
I think that new regulation only applies to small blogs and the like. I believe Stephen Totillo posted something about this earlier saying that the larger sites are legally exempt. I think there's quite a bit of gray area in how that regulation actually works which means that almost no one complies.
 
Don't know if posted but HOLY SHIT, ICE COLD AND BRUTAL. Written by the infamous Rab Florence:

http://effingarcade.tumblr.com/post/36277287313/molyneux-and-fucking-kickstarter



And this right here is why I love his shit.

I'm sure he thought of Tim Shafer's influence on Kickstarter's popularity first as well?

Btw: nobody in the current climate will back a godsim that few people will buy. So yeah, getting a handle on whether or not it is commercially viable does seem like a good idea-ish thing to do. Not saying it's fair, but then capitalism was never about playing fair.

I don't see how bitching about "IT'S NOT FAIR!" is going to impress anyone.

Not quoting the dark knight, not quoting the dark knight, not...
 

jooey

The Motorcycle That Wouldn't Slow Down
To Rab and most other UK writers: There's a way to make a point without getting hyperbolically angry about it.
 
I'm sure he thought of Tim Shafer's influence on Kickstarter's popularity first as well?

Btw: nobody in the current climate will back a godsim that few people will buy. So yeah, getting a handle on whether or not it is commercially viable does seem like a good idea-ish thing to do. Not saying it's fair, but then capitalism was never about playing fair.

I don't see how bitching about "IT'S NOT FAIR!" is going to impress anyone.

Not quoting the dark knight, not quoting the dark knight, not...

I guess the difference between Tim Shafer and the DF adventure game and Peter and his god game is Tim wasn't a millionaire former microsoft executive who also made crazy money selling his game studio to microsoft a few years prier. Peter could easily fund his game on his own.

Shafer and Double Fine? I am sure Tim is probably doing ok for himself but I dont think he could drop half a million funding a game like it was nothing like Peter could.

Would Double Fine Adventure be made without kickstarter? Probably not. Could Godus? probably.
 

Osiris

I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
To Rab and most other UK writers: There's a way to make a point without getting hyperbolically angry about it.

No, sometimes righteous anger is the best medium, Bill Hicks was at his best when irate, as was Denis Leary, and so is Rab Florence.

To remove the emotion is to remove the power behind his written words, there's already enough (too many!) "go along to get along" yes men in the industry. Don't try to defang the few good voices we do have left with sterile politeness!

I'll add that I've just read it and my jaw literally hit the floor with how absolutely spot on he was, a good point, well made.
 

CTLance

Member
Hey guys what's... wow.

Rab sounds quite angry, and to be quite honest, the article raises a point I would have never considered myself. I would have liked a bit less anger, but I guess it shows someone cares about a subject if they can become that pissed off over it.

Suffice it to say, I will keep that article in mind whenever I go on a kickstarting spree from now on. Thanks for that link, shagg_187.
 

Shinta

Banned
Don't know if posted but HOLY SHIT, ICE COLD AND BRUTAL. Written by the infamous Rab Florence:

http://effingarcade.tumblr.com/post/36277287313/molyneux-and-fucking-kickstarter



And this right here is why I love his shit.

It's a good article and I do value his perspective. I agree in lots of ways. But I have yet to back a single Kickstarter, and I can't imagine I ever will. The people being "exploited" have to actively seek out these projects and toss money at them. It's not really that prominently displayed on game websites, and they have no advertising at all except word of mouth really. It's not as pervasive as DLC built into the game with prompts asking for money, or online passes, or any of the other anti-consumer practices we've seen. It's buried on a website, among thousands of other random projects and you have to really go out of your way to find it.

It's hard to blame people for trying to get free money when everyone seems so willing to toss it out for next to nothing. At some point some of the blame has to fall on the gaming audience itself. Exercise a little self-restraint, and common sense.

Molyneux turned Kickstarter into a shopping mall for products that don't exist? I don't think so. That's what it's always been all along. Why would he take extra risk if he can get all the money up front? The thing I object to is this notion that indies are always virtuous and big players in the industry are always evil. They're basically doing the same thing here, and it's up to the audience if they want to fund it or not.
 

inky

Member
I backed a couple of kickstarters and then closed my account when I realized some of the things Rab is saying. He certainly isn't wrong about the "hey, I'm someone, give me money for something" attitude a lot of those projects have, instead of the more honest "we really can't make this without you, guys" approach.

In any case, I'm pretty sure Peter M. will focus all of his studio's endeavors mainly to iOS, so bringing back his "old style and ideas" just to make iPhone apps and establish himself in that space by means of crowd funding is absolutely worthless to me, and frankly quite exploitative when he declares his ultimate goal is to "change the face of gaming forever".
 

hey_it's_that_dog

benevolent sexism
No, sometimes righteous anger is the best medium, Bill Hicks was at his best when irate, as was Denis Leary, and so is Rab Florence.

To remove the emotion is to remove the power behind his written words, there's already enough (too many!) "go along to get along" yes men in the industry. Don't try to defang the few good voices we do have left with sterile politeness!

I'll add that I've just read it and my jaw literally hit the floor with how absolutely spot on he was, a good point, well made.

To call Kickstarter exploitative is to presume that every potential KS contributor is a child, incapable of making their own decisions. So not only is his anger undermining his persuasiveness, but it's misplaced as well.
 

Kinyou

Member
Don't know if posted but HOLY SHIT, ICE COLD AND BRUTAL. Written by the infamous Rab Florence:

http://effingarcade.tumblr.com/post/36277287313/molyneux-and-fucking-kickstarter



And this right here is why I love his shit.
Here is a man who has over-promised and under-delivered for over a decade, asking people like me and you to pay up front for his latest venture.
That might be the exact reason why Molyneux isn't loved by publishers. Though, yeah I'm pretty sure he'd still find one who gives him "lousy" 450.000 pounds.
 

Oersted

Member
Fun times ahead. SAP and Sony are cooperating for quite some time now. One of the challenges: getting the word about your product out.

One of those noble fighters are Tim Clark, Director of Corporate Blogs – SAP Global Communications, according to his Twitter-account, he was/is also Former CGT Editor-in-Chief and MAXIM, Variety, IGN contributor.

His newest masterpiece is
on Forbes.

This work of art was possible due to

A New Advertising Model...
Introducing AdVoice™

ADVOICE™ is a new approach to integrating editorial content, user content and marketers’ content—allowing more organic presentation of advertiser content than ever before.

Marketers can now tell their own story in their words on the Forbes platform using the same tools as content creators. They can develop relationships with consumers, thought leaders and journalists, too.

On the Forbes platform, all content is clearly labeled and transparent. Everyone knows who’s talking and the vantage point from which they speak.
 

conman

Member
Like crowd-sourcing and crowd-funding of all stripes, it was only a matter of time before Kickstarter became just another tool of the Big Boys. I agree with Rab's opinion but not his tone. I'm not surprised enough to be as outraged as he is.

Also, what does this have to do with journalism?
 

Dennis

Banned
Fun times ahead. SAP and Sony are cooperating for quite some time now. One of the challenges: getting the word about your product out.

One of those noble fighters are Tim Clark, Director of Corporate Blogs – SAP Global Communications, according to his Twitter-account, he was/is also Former CGT Editor-in-Chief and MAXIM, Variety, IGN contributor.

His newest masterpiece is on Forbes.

This work of art was possible due to

Rotten to the core.
 

QaaQer

Member
Fun times ahead. SAP and Sony are cooperating for quite some time now. One of the challenges: getting the word about your product out.

One of those noble fighters are Tim Clark, Director of Corporate Blogs – SAP Global Communications, according to his Twitter-account, he was/is also Former CGT Editor-in-Chief and MAXIM, Variety, IGN contributor.

His newest masterpiece is on Forbes.

This work of art was possible due to


A New Advertising Model...
Introducing AdVoice™

ADVOICE™ is a new approach to integrating editorial content, user content and marketers’ content—allowing more organic presentation of advertiser content than ever before.

Marketers can now tell their own story in their words on the Forbes platform using the same tools as content creators. They can develop relationships with consumers, thought leaders and journalists, too.

On the Forbes platform, all content is clearly labeled and transparent. Everyone knows who’s talking and the vantage point from which they speak.

Thanksf or posting that. Really interesting & disheartening.
 

Oxx

Member
Fun times ahead. SAP and Sony are cooperating for quite some time now. One of the challenges: getting the word about your product out.

One of those noble fighters are Tim Clark, Director of Corporate Blogs – SAP Global Communications, according to his Twitter-account, he was/is also Former CGT Editor-in-Chief and MAXIM, Variety, IGN contributor.

His newest masterpiece is on Forbes.

This work of art was possible due to

Yeesh. Forbes can go on the shit-list now too.
 
I think that new regulation only applies to small blogs and the like. I believe Stephen Totillo posted something about this earlier saying that the larger sites are legally exempt. I think there's quite a bit of gray area in how that regulation actually works which means that almost no one complies.

How does that even make sense? How in the world are they legally exempt if they are receiving the games in the same manner?
 

Ledsen

Member
Fun times ahead. SAP and Sony are cooperating for quite some time now. One of the challenges: getting the word about your product out.

One of those noble fighters are Tim Clark, Director of Corporate Blogs – SAP Global Communications, according to his Twitter-account, he was/is also Former CGT Editor-in-Chief and MAXIM, Variety, IGN contributor.

His newest masterpiece is on Forbes.

This work of art was possible due to

Holy shit. They really sunk to the level of advertorials. This deserves a new thread, but I'm too lazy to make it right now. Anyone?
 

Shaneus

Member
I'm not sure I grasp exactly what that means. Is that Advert-thingy a standard that Forbes follows, or a sponsor of that dude or something?

And is Tim Clark someone I should know?
 

Rufus

Member
I guess this is both a cheaper and more effective form of media advertising, huh?


A New Advertising Model...
Introducing AdVoice™

ADVOICE™ is a new approach to integrating editorial content, user content and marketers’ content—allowing more organic presentation of advertiser content than ever before.

Marketers can now tell their own story in their words on the Forbes platform using the same tools as content creators. They can develop relationships with consumers, thought leaders and journalists, too.

On the Forbes platform, all content is clearly labeled and transparent. Everyone knows who’s talking and the vantage point from which they speak.
I mean, you just have to appreciate the satirical quality of this thing. This is too good.
 

Uthred

Member
The response to Mr Florence's blog post are a perfect example of how ridiculously overblown the whole "Fight the system man!" thing has become. Perhaps after clicking on the article you could click on "Actually About" where you may spy this "This blog is the fictional personal blog featured in the show." The fact the people are lauding a purposefully over the top fictional blog written for a black comedy as some kind of "Right On!" roadmap is amusingly ironic.
 

Rufus

Member
The nostalgia bucks sentiment has merit regardless. (And even comedy can have a point and be about something. A lot of it does, actually.)
 
It's not really relevant, but it is rather amusing: the intro to Eurogamers review of the latest Borderlands 2 DLC:

It's the revenge fantasy of every developer wounded by a ruthless critic: a side-quest in which you send your player off to murder an unsympathetic game journalist. It escalates, of course, as all revenge fantasies do. At first your task is merely to take down the author of a mean-spirited 6/10 review for a game beloved of Mr Torgue, your quest-giver in the second add-on storyline for Gearbox's hick-chic shooter Borderlands 2. (“He said it sucked, but then gave it a mark that implies it's above average. KILL HIM.”)

When the deed is done, Mr Torgue hears the pleas of the other reviewers at ECHOnet (a wry dig at the seeming herd mentality of game review sites?) and bids you spare them. Until, that is, one makes a barbed remark about the stealth sections in another of Mr Torgue's favourite games while you're making your exit. Enraged with the unique force and immediacy of the angered internet commenter, Mr Torgue sends you back in to kill every last writer, finishing with the final, spindly target known only as Game Critic.

It's an optional, decorative mission bolted onto the side of Campaign of Carnage, but it serves two purposes. The first is to send up the hysteria that surrounds review scores and the tinderbox tensions that exist between snooty game critic and suspicious game fan - a satirical riff on a taboo theme familiar to both Gearbox and its audience. The satire works because of the exaggeration, the suggestion that a 6/10 review is motive enough for a killing spree. It's also there to fill out the character of Mr Torgue, the kind of man that would send a hitman to settle a review score - the personification of a particular type madness, one both remote and familiar.
 

Oersted

Member
I'm not sure I grasp exactly what that means. Is that Advert-thingy a standard that Forbes follows, or a sponsor of that dude or something?

And is Tim Clark someone I should know?

To put it handy. Advoice is a new way to put your ad on Forbes and make it look like an article. Only a sentence, like " Forbes​BrandVoice Connecting marketers to the Forbes audience. What is this? " , is reminding you, that you are looking at a ad. That line is pretty easy overseen.

The plus for both sides: Sites don´t have to face paying journalists, cooperations don´t have to fear journalists.

Tim Clark, Director of Corporate Blogs – SAP Global Communications, now made the little Vita ad. Sony and SAP already had connections in the past(look here and here for the official stories). Now, SAP wants to enter the consumer field.

You don´t necessarily have to know who Tim Clark. More what his work represents. A new state of "journalism".
 

Shaneus

Member
Ah, thanks for that. So it's basically like the ads you see in a newspaper or magazine that try to look like an article but have a "THIS IS AN ADVERTISEMENT" written inconspicuously somewhere at the bottom of the page.

Can't believe they're doing that on actual websites now. But hey, at least there's (a small) acknowledgement of it.
 

Shinta

Banned
Emily Rogers wrote an interesting piece about a big well-known site which offered an interview to an indie developer who is about to release their game on the Nintendo eShop - and it appearantly never got published because it didn't have enough negative stuff about Nintendo in it.

http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/11/26/gaming-journalism-versus-nintendo/

Sounds like most coverage about Japanese games companies since about 2008. Wish I knew what site it was, but I can sure take a guess. Sounds exactly like Kotaku. Sorry Totilo, but it's true. I've suspected this for as long as I've read the site. I wish I could get official confirmation.
 

snap0212

Member
Emily Rogers wrote an interesting piece about a big well-known site which offered an interview to an indie developer who is about to release their game on the Nintendo eShop - and it appearantly never got published because it didn't have enough negative stuff about Nintendo in it.

http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/11/26/gaming-journalism-versus-nintendo/
Useless when the name of the site isn't mentioned. The site didn't publish the interview anyways, they're not at all interested in the game, it seems. What's lost when they don't cover the game in the future?
 
Useless when the name of the site isn't mentioned. The site didn't publish the interview anyways, they're not at all interested in the game, it seems. What's lost when they don't cover the game in the future?

Come on now, the site is all but mentioned. Words like click-bait pretty much give it away.
 

Makonero

Member
Useless when the name of the site isn't mentioned. The site didn't publish the interview anyways, they're not at all interested in the game, it seems. What's lost when they don't cover the game in the future?

She lists the sites that it's not. Not IGN, Gamespot, Eurogamer or Destructoid. She says that it's run by a person who has been defending games journalism recently. She uses words like "click-bait." I think it's fairly obvious, without just coming out and saying it.
 
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