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Lightning Returns trailer

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Nibel

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I remember the time when Final Fantasy meant something to me

Fuck this soullless crap, fire the guys responsible for all this stuff
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
They probably feel a standard JRPG can't sell millions, but I fairly believe it still could. I hope when this bombs as bad as XIII-2, Kitase and Toriyama are kept away from FF.



Not getting incredible bad plots for starters. Toriyama is not a good writer and he should stay away from FF...actually from any SE IP.
Demote him back to obscure handheld games. His reign of ruin started with X-2 and should have ended with it.
 

Omikaru

Member
HD towns that look like they're from a PS2 game, can't even hold 30fps. No wonder Square Enix thinks HD towns are hard.

Final Fantasy's decline has been really detrimental to gaming, in my view. I know so many people -- many of them women -- who loved gaming on PS1 and PS2, but haven't even bothered with this generation of games because the FF situation is so dire. It's like their gateway game to each generation, and if they're not interested in FF then they just don't bother in its entirety.

Something is seriously rotten inside Square Enix.
 

jett

D-Member
Demote him back to obscure handheld games. His reign of ruin started with X-2 and should have ended with it.

This is the true purpose of this crap and its sole reason for existing: to bomb so hard that that douche couple is sent away to Squeenix's North Korean offices.
 

Go_Ly_Dow

Member
They probably feel a standard JRPG can't sell millions, but I fairly believe it still could. I hope when this bombs as bad as XIII-2, Kitase and Toriyama are kept away from FF.



Not getting incredible bad plots for starters. Toriyama is not a good writer and he should stay away from FF...actually from any SE IP.

I don't see how the removal of Toriyama will change anything.


....not just the plot itself, but his desire to have games that focuses around story and cinematics.

I know both have let fans down this generation, but just compare his direction to Nomura when it comes to FF games. Even before XIII was released, Nomura's desire was to create a Final Fantasy where players could traverse a worldmap, fly airships and vehicles and explore large towns and sprawling city's.

His direction sounded like a natural evolution and transition for the series in to more powerful hardware, whilst Toriyama's direction stripped away and scrapped core elements of the series, that fans loved and had become accustomed to.
 
This is the true purpose of this crap and its sole reason for existing: to bomb so hard that that douche couple is sent away to Squeenix's North Korean offices.

Do not count on that: Kitase gets pass on everything due to seniority, and Toriyama is his protege.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Demote him back to obscure handheld games. His reign of ruin started with X-2 and should have ended with it.

The irony being of course its only been portable games that have been of any quality from Square this entire generation. The teams clearly all need to be swapped around; FF13+sequels+abominations against mankind perpetrators sentenced to iOS/Mobage shit forever, KH Osaka team given all the money/resources.
 

jett

D-Member
Do not count on that: Kitase gets pass on everything due to seniority, and Toriyama is his protege.

Well we can only hope that it does happen.

What Kitase has become is really shameful. Toriyama has always been shitcakes so he can't help it, but Kitase directed FFVI, Chrono Trigger, FF7 and FF8.
 
....not just the plot itself, but his desire to have games that focuses around story and cinematics.

I know both have let fans down this generation, but just compare his direction to Nomura when it comes to FF games. Even before XIII was released, Nomura's desire was to create a Final Fantasy where players could traverse a worldmap, fly airships and vehicles and explore large towns and sprawling city's.

His direction sounded like a natural evolution and transition for the series in to more powerful hardware, whilst Toriyama's direction stripped away and scrapped core elements of the series.

Let's not forget that Nomura started the linear corridors and lack of exploration with KH2.

I wouldn't mind that focus on story and cinematics if they weren't that mindblowingly bad. SE needs to realize that most FF fans aren't teenegers anymore and that they aren't impressed anymore by time travel stories and teens being heroes.

Crimson Shroud had a lot of text but I don't mind because is so well written.

Well we can only hope that it does happen.

What Kitase has become is really shameful. Toriyama has always been shitcakes so he can't help it, but Kitase directed FFVI, Chrono Trigger, FF7 and FF8.

Kitase is burned. Is like one of those bands that they can't make a good song anymore.

The series seriously needs fresh blood and a new direction from younger people.
 

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
So I wake up and rewatch the trailer and I still can't believe it.

It's like they said screw it.

Unless this was Toriyama's plan all along. The franchise killer strikes again.
 

Lime

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Everything about this trailer (and indicative of the game) is complete garbage: the writing is downright atrocious, the graphics (lighting, geometry, textures) are horribly bad, the character art direction is cringe-inducing, and the assets (animation, enemies, etc.) look to be recycled from previous entries.

I've seen 5-man game developer students create something more impressive from a technical standpoint in a course of a 2-day game jam than this piece of shit. I hope to dear god that Square Enix has spent no more than a janitor salary and a trip to McDonalds for whatever this turd tries to be.
 

Go_Ly_Dow

Member
Let's not forget that Nomura started the linear corridors and lack of exploration with KH2.

I wouldn't mind that focus on story and cinematics if they weren't that mindblowingly bad. SE needs to realize that most FF fans aren't teenegers anymore and that they aren't impressed anymore by time travel stories and teens being heroes.

Crimson Shroud had a lot of text but I don't mind because is so well written.

that's a different series, it at least seemed like Nomura understood what many people found appealing about FF straight of the bat.
 

Mognet

Member
Fucking Chocolina.

The scene where Lightning comes off the train is kind of funny due to how out of place she looks, it's like she's in a cosplay going to an anime convention.

Pretty much what I thought.

Man... I really don't like Lightning, and the thought of another game with her makes me sad.
 

Toth

Member
I wonder if this is the alpha trailer they showed at the announcement party? They kept mentioning how polished the game is and even I see that the game looks a little rough at the moment.
 

Kuroyume

Banned
The costume wouldn't look as bad if they had given her a shirt underneath the arm armor. Glasses and all... Looks like typical FF from the past 15 years. Can't tell me her costume looks any more ridiculous than what Tidus wore.

Game really bad as most have pointed out. Can't believe how bad the framerate is given how it looks in other areas. of the game.
 

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I wonder if this is the alpha trailer they showed at the announcement party? They kept mentioning how polished the game is and even I see that the game looks a little rough at the moment.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was. However I don't think it's likely given how close to JF it is.
 

YAWN

Ask me which Shakespeare novel is best
I hope to dear god that Square Enix has spent no more than a janitor salary and a trip to McDonalds for whatever this turd tries to be.

They'be obviously spent all their assets on huggable Lightning pillows.
 

luca1980

Banned
HD towns that look like they're from a PS2 game, can't even hold 30fps. No wonder Square Enix thinks HD towns are hard.
lol, FFXII in my memories ran better than this!!!
Something is seriously rotten inside Square Enix.
the moment matsuno went away deeply inside i knew something went missing (and horribly wrong) from square-enix....and it shows !!
there is no itou saving or hope for anything else imho.

this ff13-3, let me call it, is...well.... fine if you like ff13 style (and probably not for everyone also)...
otherwise is really bad...imho...bye ff...happy sad 25 anniversary with toryiama.
 

Famassu

Member
Let's not forget that Nomura started the linear corridors and lack of exploration with KH2.
Let's not forget that a) they've went back to worlds that are a little less linear & have more exploration and that b) KHII was very much a result of listening to fan feedback, they just kind of went a bit too far with that. People criticized the first game for some of its level design so they made it more straightforward. Some people found KH I hard so II was easier. The camera was criticized a lot, so they made that a lot better. The whole series has been a kind of forth & back with the makers & the fans. A more recent example would be the fact that they noticed people loved Birth By Sleep, so they've decided to take the series MORE into that direction than back to the style of the first game. And I'm sure that they'll take the feedback about the freeflow stuff into account when developing Kingdom Hearts III (it's cool but maybe they should balance it a bit better).



And my god at some of you people. This game might still be a year away from release, yet you are taking this trailer like it's the launch trailer and nothing can improve by the time the game is released.

The only thing I'm somewhat disappointed about going by this trailer is that the game isn't more action RPG-y, but seems to be more of a single player FFXIII.
 
How long have they been working on this? The concept art was only released a few months ago.

It doesn't look good... but I still have a bit of hope they can churn out something decent as it gets closer to release.
 

MagiusNecros

Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
How long have they been working on this? The concept art was only released a few months ago.

It doesn't look good... but I still have a bit of hope they can churn out something decent as it gets closer to release.

They supposedly said that they started shortly after XIII-2's initial release and when they had those concepts revealed it was 30% complete. So who knows.
 
Can someone explain to me how the Final Fantasy XIII sub-franchise isn't dead yet? I mean, nearly everyone hated the first game, and the second one bombed, yet they seemed convinced that people love XIII and are trying to milk a cash cow that doesn't actually exist.
 

Foffy

Banned
Something is seriously rotten inside Square Enix.

It's mostly the head honchos. I think Square-Enix needs to do what Sega did and give fresh, young blood a crack at a mainline entry. Sega did this with Sonic Unleashed, which was far and away a massive step up compared to earlier 3D titles, despite the Werehog.

Kitase and Toriyama are the Bonnie and Clyde ruining Final Fantasy.
 

aaaaaa

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The trailer doesn't make me interested in the game, but it also isn't as atrocious as most people in this thread seems to think.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Can someone explain to me how the Final Fantasy XIII sub-franchise isn't dead yet? I mean, nearly everyone hated the first game, and the second one bombed, yet they seemed convinced that people love XIII and are trying to milk a cash cow that doesn't actually exist.

Gross exaggerations on all sides mostly.
 

Kinyou

Member
Really disappointed by the graphics. Don't know what's going on there.

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Like seriously? At least put some bitmaps there

Costume reminds me a lot of Ezio when she's running around.

Also phrases like "The Final Journey of Lightning" make me a little worried that next up we'll get something like "Hope Returns; Final Fantasy XIII"
 
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