Forsaken82
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This was an actual complaint? Seriously? Thats basically saying "There is too much Marvel in here..."
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Injustice: Gods Among Us (NetherRealm, DC fighting, 360,PS3,WiiU) [Up: Screens in OP]
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This was an actual complaint? Seriously? Thats basically saying "There is too much Marvel in here..."
I know we joke about it, but I really hope that's not the case. I thought Netherrealms had conquered that issue with the introduction of Solomon Grundy early on, showing that they CAN have characters of different builds (though Bane's intro makes me a bit nervous...). I would be thoroughly disappointed if there's an unplayable character who's build isn't overwhelmingly massive (like Galactus in Marvel).
Yep. That was an actual complaint, and it was echoed by many.
Forsaken82
Member
Yeah so many Batman characters makes this game turn into a full fledge batman fighter with friends. Im not really that much into DC characters but i want them to include obscure characters like everyone else is saying, i feel like i can definitely find someone i like out of the people i don't know and become a fan of. With Marvel 3 i was looking up who Nova and Rocket Raccoon are and other characters i didn't know about and what they did, because it gives the game more life also gives the characters more recognition. i wouldn't have minded if each hero included his arch nemesis to balance it out because right now its a batman fighter. Here's hoping we get Lobo!!
shaowebb
Member
I still think the only valid roster arguments were Mega Man and the fact that the game has not one single Black male in it. However, from a marketing standpoint its kind of a mess on the Marvel side of things. At the time not many had been exposed much to She Hulk, MODOK, Taskmaster, Dormammu, Super Skrull or X-23 in the casual fanbase. Only comic book fans would know them and folks who had maybe caught MODOK appearances on the cartoon show here and there.
They weren't big name enough to draw big crowds really even if they were excellent designs and play choices. Just talking marketing again though. Its an entirely different beast than game design.
While I certainly didn't get everyone I wanted in MvC3/UvC3, I liked the roster. A decent mix of obvious picks and more unknown ones.
This game though just seems to have obvious picks and/or Batman characters so far. I guess Cyborg and Grundy might be the only outliers, but I don't think either of them are all that unknown either. Hopefully they're saving the more unique choices for last or something.
shaowebb
Member
My guess is Catwoman made it in for 2 reasons.
1- she is super popular and they seem to try to play up to Arkham City stuff given their working relationship with the series.
2- they wanted someone with long range normals with dash ups and a whip is easier to do than a shapeshifter in that respect.
You are so dead to me.
1- she is super popular and they seem to try to play up to Arkham City stuff given their working relationship with the series.
2- they wanted someone with long range normals with dash ups and a whip is easier to do than a shapeshifter in that respect.
You are so dead to me.
I'm just pissed that Cassie keeps getting the shaft. How do you not put one of the best, if not the absolute best, hand to hand fighters in a fighting game?
Hey, I didn't say it! I know my roots. Powerman and Ironfist team up comics ftw.
Hey, I didn't say it! I know my roots. Powerman and Ironfist team up comics ftw.
Slamtastic
Member
Because fighting games are about throwing plasma, not punches.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
People saying they should take out Catwoman... really?
Batman, Joker and Catwoman are three of the most famous comic book characters ever. Ever. No competition. And all three were in Arkham City. And in Nolan movies. And in MKvsDCU. There was no way they wouldn't include one of them.
Bane makes a big deal of sense because of TDKR. Nightwing is much more than just a Batman sidekick (since, technically, Nightwing isn't). If there's a Batman character who is there just 'cause, it's Harley Quinn... but since she's my favorite character ever screw it all I am not complaining because she's my main for sure.
MvC3 got a lot of complaints because it didn't have several characters the average person wants to see. Seriously who releases the game without a single Spider-Man villain? What are they doing including Sentinel other than pandering to the very hardcore? MvC3 had a fanbase built upon a 10 year old tournament favorite game, not with the average casual. Injustice doesn't have that. Sure, it's made by the guys of Mortal Kombat, but it has no Mortal Kombat characters nor the fatalities or blood that made it so popular on the first place.
They have to go for the easiest route. It's the first of a (hopefully) new series. Have you guys forgotten how the first Marvel Capcom games were mostly X-Men and friends? And now in MvC3 they had the fanbase so they could show more obscure characters. Injustice has to win fans, including casuals. Casuals are much more likely to enjoy the game if they have a large selection of characters they recognize from the get-go, and then they can explore. I mean haven't you guys ever seen that happen? "Hey let's play Tekken *people pick Eddie and Jin* *people starts seeing other characters after a few matches* *they like new characters*"
There's still more characters to be confirmed, even. Haven't Power Girl and Aquaman been all but confirmed? I really can't see them skipping Doomsday either. Who knows who else makes the cut.
Batman, Joker and Catwoman are three of the most famous comic book characters ever. Ever. No competition. And all three were in Arkham City. And in Nolan movies. And in MKvsDCU. There was no way they wouldn't include one of them.
Bane makes a big deal of sense because of TDKR. Nightwing is much more than just a Batman sidekick (since, technically, Nightwing isn't). If there's a Batman character who is there just 'cause, it's Harley Quinn... but since she's my favorite character ever screw it all I am not complaining because she's my main for sure.
MvC3 got a lot of complaints because it didn't have several characters the average person wants to see. Seriously who releases the game without a single Spider-Man villain? What are they doing including Sentinel other than pandering to the very hardcore? MvC3 had a fanbase built upon a 10 year old tournament favorite game, not with the average casual. Injustice doesn't have that. Sure, it's made by the guys of Mortal Kombat, but it has no Mortal Kombat characters nor the fatalities or blood that made it so popular on the first place.
They have to go for the easiest route. It's the first of a (hopefully) new series. Have you guys forgotten how the first Marvel Capcom games were mostly X-Men and friends? And now in MvC3 they had the fanbase so they could show more obscure characters. Injustice has to win fans, including casuals. Casuals are much more likely to enjoy the game if they have a large selection of characters they recognize from the get-go, and then they can explore. I mean haven't you guys ever seen that happen? "Hey let's play Tekken *people pick Eddie and Jin* *people starts seeing other characters after a few matches* *they like new characters*"
There's still more characters to be confirmed, even. Haven't Power Girl and Aquaman been all but confirmed? I really can't see them skipping Doomsday either. Who knows who else makes the cut.
Slamtastic
Member
But Catwoman
Well, yeah.
Batman and maybe Joker are exceptions for popularity, but I really wish we would get people with actual powers.
I don't complain as hard as some people, but I'm more hyped for Green Lantern and the upcoming reveals (that hopefully are superpoweredcharacter) than Harley/Nightwing/Catwoman/Bane
Yes, this is the case. And yes, I love Harley, best character invented in the animated series.
Marvel side of MVC was all marketing decisions. The few that got through was an inside job, namely Seth Killian who was able to convince that the god tiers needed to return or it wasn't "Mahvel."
Well they did have MKvsDC haha. But that game made the owners even more wary of Boon's next DC related game.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
Well but the characters don't play the same, those who return. Which is everyone but Captain Marvel at the moment.
Well and Darkseid, but I bet he's the boss.
And MKvsDCU sold quite well, IIRC. It was also the best 3D Mortal Kombat. Which is not saying much, but...
shaowebb
Member
Excellent post. It pretty much states all the reasoning behind how you capture the casuals enough to build a large enough safety net fanbase to get crazy later if you want. Be it in DLC or sequel you can get adventurous after you've drawn folks in with the A listers. Its already a given NRS is hoping to turn this into a new series outside of Mortal Kombat they can make games for. They've stated as many hopes several times already.
So far the roster is going to bring in the casuals to take a look in droves.
Batman
Superman
Wonder Woman
Harley Quinn
The Flash
Solomon Grundy
Nightwing
Cyborg
Catwoman
Green Arrow
Green Lantern
The Joker
Bane
Lex Luthor
Deathstroke
Thats a helluva lot of name recognition characters so it should help them draw in the fanbase they are needing to turn this into something they can keep doing.
Yeah, they don't, I agree.
There are many though who still think the game is a lazy port. I am informed enough about the process of making a video game to know better.
I haven't seen enough of the game to make me think it's going to be much different.
I really don't like how all of the characters share so many animations. I don't like how similar everybody's fighting styles look. I love DC, though, and I'll get to play as Nightwing, so I'll give the game a shot.
Are there vids out there that I'm missing? I've seen pretty much only character reveals, and those make the game look really similar to MK/MkvsDC.
I really don't like how all of the characters share so many animations. I don't like how similar everybody's fighting styles look. I love DC, though, and I'll get to play as Nightwing, so I'll give the game a shot.
Are there vids out there that I'm missing? I've seen pretty much only character reveals, and those make the game look really similar to MK/MkvsDC.
Forsaken82
Member
No, Venom's not a character in MVC3, unless you're speaking of MVC2. He's in there.
SolarPowered
Member
They were good enough to help vanilla Mahvel sell 795k(month 1 NPD sales iirc) copies while the second game sold like ass even though it was packed with Marvel's commercial choices. I have a hard time believing that Injustice's launch numbers will rival MvC3's.
note: I'm totally aware that a ten year slumber had a gigantic part to play in the sales difference between vanilla and ultimate.
Mostly ultimate imo. Capcom and Marvel tried to sell us a pack of sausages and it didn't go over too well.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Agree. hate to break it to people but Harley & Bane are more well known and likely to sell the game then 90% of the characters people are asking for.
They haven't released any gameplay videos outside of the reveals, and half the reveals didn't even get a trailer lol.
There are a few videos of somewhat competent play.
Green Arrow vs Catwoman Probably the best footage so far of anything, still not great though.
Cyborg vs Flash
Cyborg vs Flash 2
Cyborg vs Nightwing.
What's with that, anyway?
I wouldn't go that far with Catwoman... she should be in the game, but there are easily more famous comic book characters than her.
People are really that salty about the gender of the characters? The picks for Ultimate are pretty great IMO.
Not among DC's female cast. I mean isn't she among the few female characters who currently have a solo comic series?
Razgriz-Specter
Member
as far as DC is concerned I'd agree with that statement
1. Batman
2. Joker
3. Superman
4. (tie) Lex=popular Catwoman=well known
SnakeSlashRO
Banned
Never been a huge fan of MK, In fact I disliked the last MK because of how the animations and the way the characters move. One example is just looking at some of the characters jumping animations, say with SF4 or vs Series, hell even the sprite ones, different angle jumps had different animations. If you jumped straight up or forwards and backwards they looked different (usually adding a flip or something)
They look so stiff... but I have to say outside of that the presentation looks amazing and looking at some of the videos posted above it really does look like a good fighting game. Not only that I have been really getting into DC and Marvel lately so this is a day one pick up for me. I don't know how popular this will be in the fighting community but I can easily see this do as well as the last mortal kombat or better. I hope it sells a bunch cause I feel they are going in the right direction with this game.
They look so stiff... but I have to say outside of that the presentation looks amazing and looking at some of the videos posted above it really does look like a good fighting game. Not only that I have been really getting into DC and Marvel lately so this is a day one pick up for me. I don't know how popular this will be in the fighting community but I can easily see this do as well as the last mortal kombat or better. I hope it sells a bunch cause I feel they are going in the right direction with this game.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
In DC, how many?
In both DC and Marvel, how many female characters are more famous than her?
The Horror the horror
Banned
Don't know about more famous, but equally recognizable would probably be: She-Hulk, Wonder Woman, and maybe Elektra and Rogue
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I still think the games looks so damn stiff. I'm still gonna pick it up probably, because I really like DC characters (especially batman). But damn I don't like their animations.
Green Mamba
Member
The only female comic book character that I could say is equal to Catwoman in recognition would be Wonder Woman. No fucking way are She-Hulk and Rogue up there.
The Horror the horror
Banned
Perhaps it's because I'm a comic book reader and my slanted perspective views those characters as iconic touchstones. I will argue, however, that I would be genuinely surprised to learn of anyone who wouldn't recognize and identify She-Hulk right off the bat. Same with Supergirl.
I wouldn't be opposed to that idea.
But Catwoman
Arkham City and Dark Knight Rises.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
Rogue isn't even the most famous X-Men female character. Storm is.
Read the several Marvel vs Capcom 3 threads. See how many people were aware there was a She-Hulk.
And well, lol, sure. You show Supergirl to someone and they'll know that's a Supergirl. Doesn't mean they know there's an actual character like that in the DC comics with her own adventures and shit. Whereas they'll know for sure how Catwoman is the bad girl of Batman with an odd relationship with him.
I mean, shiet. The only female comic book character who could be anywhere near comparable to Catwoman is Wonder Woman, and unlike her people do know more stuff about Wonder Woman than the name and her design.
This is simple, guys. How many times have you heard "I prefer Marvel. The only thing I like about DC is Batman" or similar things? The only character more famous than Batman is Superman, and people tend to view Superman as "boring".
HoodWinked
Gold Member
depth of field on unreal engine for consoles is complete ass.
Regarding there being "too many Batman characters," Batman, Dick Grayson, and The Joker deserve to be included no matter what. Catwoman's one of the most recognizable comic book characters ever, and even though she's not completely necessary, Harley Quinn is popular and helps boost the female count. Anyone with a lick of business sense would include Bane after the success of TDKR. So long as the roster isn't littered with truly superfluous Batman characters like Poison Ivy or something, there's nothing to complain about.
Riposte
Member
Here is the thing: It hardly matters. With a few exceptions, it doesn't matter at all. As long as they put in Batman and Superman (which is basically only the things people need to see to think "DC fighting game", maybe can make a small argument for Wonder Woman, or Green Lantern given the latter is replacing her), they can put in anyone they want from the DC universe. This conversation was weird with Marvel and it is weird here. If anything picking more obscure characters will only intrigue hardcore comic fans who might not play fighting games. The general populous doesn't give a fuck.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Poison Ivy could have a cool moveset though, with her control of plants. It could be like Dorm with plant pillars and controlling plants around the screen, haha.
I think a lot of people get it, like I said before the Batman brand is so strong right now, that they need to do this. I don't have a problem with that but at the same time I want others from Flash, Green Lanter, Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman to get a chance.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
And... how many people are going to want to buy DC fighting game and just that? For most people DC characters mean absolutely nothing outside of Batman.
The way you get more people interested in the game is by having them look at the characters in trailers or ads, seeing characters they like and recognize, and getting them to buy the game. Seeing Batman alone isn't going to convince as many people as seeing several Batman characters. Because, hey, not only they can play as Batman, but also a whole lot of characters they recognize. And most importantly, their friends too. Fighting games are one of the go-to games to play with friends, but it's hard to convince people to play a game with characters they don't like.
I mean, shit, how many of you MvC3 players tried to introduce the game to your friends but had troubles to do so they didn't particularly like a lot of the characters? I've had lots of people wonder why they can't play as Venom.
Try to sell a game relying only on Batman and Superman to the general public who don't know who most of DC big name heroes (let alone their supporting or minor characters) are. How long they take before asking where the hell is Joker.
I wouldn't so sure. If NRS crams the game with at least as much content that MK9 had, it could easily surpass MvC3.
MvC3 played great, but it didn't have nearly enough content to keep casual players playing and telling their friends to join the party.
According to Boon, that's NOT the case.
I think that was because of the comic included.