Probably for DVR functionality and other forms of bloatware.
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Probably for DVR functionality and other forms of bloatware.
Well whatever happened to stacking?
thehypocrite
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No, he has been very vague when talking about SCEA because he works for them and it's under NDA I would assume.
Ah, so there may be a chance that Sony aren't going for GDDR5 at all. Reminds me of the rumour when they allegedly released two dev kits in the wild and one of them had 16GB RAM.
-ImaginaryInsider
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There has to be lots of potential features that could add something to gaming without being specifically tied to graphics or gameplay... plenty of people would've rolled their eyes at cross game party chat last gen, but I know whole groups of people that game with that nightly all while playing different games.
What's with this bloatware nonsense? Microsoft created a ridiculously lean OS for the 360 and people like you are convinced they're just gonna bloat up the OS for the sake of it. If they're using 2-3GB of RAM it's because they want the entire OS in memory at all times. You have no idea what is capable with such a large pre-allocated memory pool.
thehypocrite
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Everything it's possible until the reveal and official confirmation.
ALBOFIGHTER
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If sony goes with stacking, there's no way they will use gddr5, but there is other benefits to stacking that may be well worth it if done right.
LukasTaves
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That's what i'm thinking too. The problem is what could eat that much? Lots of apps with background tasks and fast switching makes no sense because they already has that functionality in W8/RT taking a lot less resources...
The only thing i could think of right now is a WiiU like functionality, but not necessarily tied to the game you are playing. Like you can play a game and 3 other people could use your 720 as a set top box to stream 3 different channels at once... But that sounds kinda stupid to have since if you have a tablet these days chances are you already any app you could possible want to stream from a console...
oversitting
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OPS thats a huge mistake on my part. lol.
thehypocrite
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bloat
I don't think he is wrong in using the term if he doesn't want it.
oversitting
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DDR4 will only be available in servers in 2013 most likely, probably something ungodly expensive to a consumer. It will get cheaper but will sony want to bare the >$100 extra that its likely to cost? Unlikely.
It will be enough for a while but no idea when devs will start hitting the memory wall hard. It will eventually happen. 8gb of ram is plenty today just like 1GB was plenty back in 2006.
Remember the days of IGN's XBox 3 that has AMD 6670. Yea, that's real next gen stuff. Imagine all the eye popping projects that stuff can run.
Amazingly they still went with those specs when running the amd espionage story. Either they know something and the leakers here are just ordinary citizens doing extraordinary bluffing or NDA has hit their asses hard.
Amazingly they still went with those specs when running the amd espionage story. Either they know something and the leakers here are just ordinary citizens doing extraordinary bluffing or NDA has hit their asses hard.
But if it's all confined to a pre-allocated area of memory how the hell is it bloating anything? This isn't a PC that has 100 apps pre-installed on it by the OEM, it's something that has been pre-planned in the hardware stages.
GAF will be disappointed at Microsoft's latest console because it will be more like a proprietary computer.
Microsoft is going to treat E3 like a consumer electronics show.
Just watch.
Xbox 360 backwards compatible via improved SoC Xbox 360 slim design. MS wouldn't throw all that money away on making that chip smaller.
Add ARM support since MS is heavily pushing ARM devices (Windows Phone 8, Windows RT).
Skype to replace group chat.
MS knows that its PC sales are declining. The Xbox is their silver bullet to have people invest in Microsoft's lethargic app ecosystem. Their way for people to buy Windows again.
Microsoft is going to treat E3 like a consumer electronics show.
Just watch.
Xbox 360 backwards compatible via improved SoC Xbox 360 slim design. MS wouldn't throw all that money away on making that chip smaller.
Add ARM support since MS is heavily pushing ARM devices (Windows Phone 8, Windows RT).
Skype to replace group chat.
MS knows that its PC sales are declining. The Xbox is their silver bullet to have people invest in Microsoft's lethargic app ecosystem. Their way for people to buy Windows again.
I certainly hope this is the case, Skype >>> 360 voice chat.
so pre-allocated means it doesn't take up any room on the mobo right?
it's bloat, get over it.
The problem is that, if as is rumored at the moment that third parties are finding MS toolsets are miles ahead of Sony's for game specific development, whether Orbis is more powerful on paper is a moot point until the tools are developed to promote easier and quicker access to all aspects of the developmental hardware. It depends on whether Sony can get theirs up to speed in time. At this point in time, some devs will say its Durango that is more powerful as they can access that power right now and have to put more work in to obtain the same in Orbis. But you will see mostly identical third party releases as it is they not the platform holders that are pushing identical development.
More IMOs because they are required.
Thunder Monkey
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And at one time was a huge proponent of the GCN.
Part of the only reason I ever read a research paper on color combiners. Everyone else on B3D back in the early part of the last decade was adamant that the GCN had no pixel-shading capability. Until he started going in depth on exactly what the TEV in the Cube was.
THE:MILKMAN
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I don't know but Sony got XDR which was new and unique and they got I think Samsung and Elpida to make it for them.
I don't know where you get >$100 from for DDR4 but that sounds way over the top.
Man this is exactly how I feel. Nextbox will be a htpc/cable box/tv tuner.
Pre-allocated means it wouldn't be there if it wasn't planned for. And going by your definition everything outside the kernel and drivers in any OS is bloat. Who needs an operating system on a console right, just pair it down so it can boot the game and thats all we need.
Windows 8 has the same RAM requirements as Windows 7. I don't see Windows 9 needing more RAM.
thehypocrite
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Are you arguing about the opinion of someone on something that's completely subjective? If he doesn't want it he can call it bloat regardless of what you, I or anybody thinks. The term is used appropiately.
I'm actually waiting on what Microsoft will do since all the major CPU retailers are releasing their chips in June this year.
A maintenance-free all-in-one entertainment box is a great idea.
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Microsoft really wants that marketshare since their competitive products (i.e. Roku, Apple TV, Nexus Q, PS3, Wii U) are slowly filling those gaps for many casuals.
Exclusive viewing content will be part of the announcement. How? We're not sure yet, but it will probably be something for people to up their Xbox Live Gold/Platinum/Titanium subscriptions.
MS already rebranded all its former Zune entertainment services to now Xbox (i.e. Xbox Music, Xbox Video).
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Is Karak posting something? Did he say he will?
rudieboy77
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Yeah I'm waiting also on what the real specs are going to be. If they are weak, I'll build a gaming PC with the newest cpu/gpu that comes out later this year. It also would really be nice to be able to play some of these PC free to play games on the new console.
Karak
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I am grappling with how to present it.
I am working with a dev on something that just...makes some weird sense to me.
Hey can someone help me with something? Was there someone here or in another thread who kept wanting to talk to someone in hardware or software because he didn't understand something?
Who was that?
Unless MS is now an education based non-profit company? No.
R3TRODYCE
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That's the type of things that I'm looking for in a console. I primarily game on PC so aside from the 3-4 console exclusives a year I would like other things to use my box for.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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No need to present it nicely. Type whatever info you're getting, no matter how raw it is. We will sugarcoat it for you
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Proelite
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thehypocrite
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BruceLeeRoy
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Karak
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Thanks for the quick answers!
Also everyone is so quick to either freak out or celebrate so its best to clarify as much as I can before hand.
I am not meaning too but I don't like just posting stuff then going back and correcting anything and back and forth. We see that allot already.Your killing me man
Also everyone is so quick to either freak out or celebrate so its best to clarify as much as I can before hand.
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People don't know what they want until they use it. Every step of the way, it's been that way. We didn't know how more buttons would work, we wouldn't be able to understand rumble until we used it, nor would we understand motion gaming. I'm just pulling a few things out. I didn't know how I'd feel about downloadable games then November 22, 2005, I downloaded a few and saw that this was the future. I'm a full blown DD whore now with the tons of Steam games that I have. I'm excited for the future. Look at phones from years ago to now as we can talk and our phones can do mathematical equations and/or find the nearest mall. Don't thwart technology especially if it can enhance the gameplay. I've used my 360 for Last.FM, I've streamed videos from my PC from the secret porn spot on the computer, hooked up my iPod to my 360 to stream music I want during a race in PGR3. I want to be impressed by similar things again.
Proelite
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Did you talk to your friend yesterday or today? Is that why you have new info?
Karak
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A couple times very recently yes.
BruceLeeRoy
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No problem man I completely understand
Gemüsepizza
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Is your post connected to this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=46616304&highlight=#post46616304 ?
Do you honestly believe there is a chance Microsoft will use some secret streaming technology to create prettier graphics? Because I doubt that. And that doesn't sound like an insider story like some people here are expecting, more like a theoretic thought experiment. Anyway, good luck on your "story".
ALBOFIGHTER
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If microsoft and sony can use cloud computing to add extra power to their games, it would be a great feat. It's a problem with those without internet though.
DonasaurusRex
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AMD (not nVidia) HD8800 series. The one that's not even out.
hmmmm would be impressive if they pulled that off considering the 8000 series is going to be somewhat late. That should be a pretty powerful system if that happens though. If the next xbox is coming this year though...one would have to assume its the 7000 series custom made, not like the 8000 series is a new core design its GCN just like the 7000 series, which is up and running, runs well, power efficient, etc and all of those things can be improved further for the console since they've been making them for a year. The 8000...is that even being fabbed now? I guess it would have to be if its on track for late Q1 early Q2
Karak
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Gemüsepizza;46691506 said:
They probably expect what they have gotten from me before.
I am waiting on a couple others to answer 2 questions. So I am not 100% sure.
GarthVaderUK
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Think you'll post that info today or another day Karak? Looking forward to it, cheers!
It's a problem for most people who do have internet because they're not going to get the latency required to use cloud streaming. This is ignoring data caps entirely.
LukasTaves
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360 had a bit more of available memory. It's about 20mbs due the lower OS requirements (the gap was wider in the beginning of the gen), and also while the edram was only 10mb it could save much more of the main memory dependent on the framebuffer setup (For instance a 720p buffer with 4xAA can eat up almost 30mb of memory).
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