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Piano

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I think Piano and I might be the strongest pro-medication voices in here - always happy to answer questions. They're not for everyone, and being on the wrong one sucks, but if you know prozac and xanax work for you, that certainly seems like a good plan.

Yes! I'm also pro-pro-pro-therapy. But I tend to crawl out of the woodwork when people have medication questions.

Use the medications as a tool, therapy as your work bench, and your therapist as your magnifying glass. You're always going to be working on yourself, for the rest of your life. As the situation on the ground changes you may need more tools, less tools, a stronger bench, no bench, a therapist giving you deeper insight into where to head next or nothing at all. None of it is permanent. It's about making you feel the most YOURSELF you can possibly feel.

That's a big misconception. That therapy / medication is some factory turning you into one pre-determined end product. It's not! You're working on yourself, and want to work towards being your best self. First good therapist I ever had told me that and it blew my mind.

<3
 

Collete

Member
:(
I did that once. Took me a full week to recover and spent about three days awake because of paxil shocks. Never again.
I'm off meds for the time being but going to therapy.

Well I'm kind of recovering now...I slept nearly 10-11 hours and was just out of it.
My head still feels hazy and just can't concentrate on anything. Even games...
Body just feels numb and cold...*sigh*

I'm glad you're going to therapy though, how's that doing for you?

I hope you're okay. Did you call for help? Is anyone watching over you right now? ARe you feeling heavy side-effects because of it?
Please don't do that again and instead sleep or call a helpline or listen to some music and sing to it. Pretty much distract yourself until the feelings subside and you can get someone to talk to you and distract you instead.

In your other post, you mused about whether you were actually depressed or was just a "spoiled brat". It's clear that you are suffering a great deal and are looking for relief, and this was proof of it. Whether you are a spoiled brat or not doesn't even matter. Suffering is suffering, and I'm sure you would not doom any 'spoiled brat' you know to go through this, so don't assume you deserve this either. You are strong and you can have better days.

Not really.
I was trying to say bye to two of my friends, but they realized something was off and tried to talk me out of it even though I already took the medicine. They were worried I think, not sure. No one is necessarily watching over me now, friends I guess are keeping a cautious eye over me at the moment. Mom didn't even know I OD'd and thought I was taking a normal dose of medicine. I don't sleep that much these days because thoughts and mother waking me up early morning about stuff kind of prohibits a really restful sleep (not to mention my dog waking me up every hour for something). I can't promise i won't do it again, I mean it's not like I'm getting any better at this rate...Just want it to end.

I did deserve this suffering in the end. I'm not as strong as people think I am, better days is what I've been waiting for years but 15 some odd years later, it's yet to be found. I can barely write, I'm not doing well in school. It's just absolute chaos...
 

EdmondD

Member
OD'd on meds last night but I'm still here...
I can't live with myself anymore...Why can't I just be free...

Earlier in the thread you said you had too much anxiety to call your new therapist. Any friends or family that can make that call for you? It's always good to have people who support you because sometimes we can't support ourselves. Maybe new meds would help?
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Yes! I'm also pro-pro-pro-therapy. But I tend to crawl out of the woodwork when people have medication questions.

Use the medications as a tool, therapy as your work bench, and your therapist as your magnifying glass. You're always going to be working on yourself, for the rest of your life. As the situation on the ground changes you may need more tools, less tools, a stronger bench, no bench, a therapist giving you deeper insight into where to head next or nothing at all. None of it is permanent. It's about making you feel the most YOURSELF you can possibly feel.

That's a big misconception. That therapy / medication is some factory turning you into one pre-determined end product. It's not! You're working on yourself, and want to work towards being your best self. First good therapist I ever had told me that and it blew my mind.

<3

Damn, I love Piano. Dude is SMART.
 

Collete

Member
Earlier in the thread you said you had too much anxiety to call your new therapist. Any friends or family that can make that call for you? It's always good to have people who support you because sometimes we can't support ourselves. Maybe new meds would help?


I asked a friend to call but he hasn't done it.
I just can't ask my mother about it...it's a long story, but things always wind up with me not going to the therapist because of her. She means well, but I always land up in a worse condition if I ask her about this.
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
I asked a friend to call but he hasn't done it.
I just can't ask my mother about it...it's a long story, but things always wind up with me not going to the therapist because of her. She means well, but I always land up in a worse condition if I ask her about this.

I suck, I know. I've been sick as a dog all day. I'm really sorry - I'll call tomorrow.
 

~Kinggi~

Banned
Im just a complete wreck lately. Im miserable and lonely. Had a real shitty day at work today. Got upset and said shit i shouldnt have. Im a nervous wreck all the time. Always anxious. Everything has to be planned. There is no fixing this. After a certain point i just cant handle shit anymore.
 

~Kinggi~

Banned
Can we talk about Depression's agonizing cousin, Anxiety? Because since I've been unemployed, it's been my constant companion.

Thats one of my biggest fears. Im already a nervous wreck, if i was unemployed i dont know how i would function. I just feel i dont have much chance at getting another job after this one, so i feel like its life and death in terms of keeping my job or not. Its just made me miserable, because id like to do something else maybe but i dont have the confidence or energy to make an effort. I already have experience being out of work after 2008 and the job i did find for a few months used and abused us for 70 hrs a week and i had an even shittier life than now. Some people can go unemployed and it doesnt ruin their world that they would have to move in with someone or live with family or parents or friends. To me i feel like if i lost my job it wouldnt be long before i was homeless and just kill myself.
 

Magik

Member
Anxiety is what I'm suffering through right now and when I really think about it, I've been suffering from it for years. Its such a pain in the ass to deal with on a day to day basis. Sometimes even the most simple tasks can be tough.
 

Surface of Me

I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Why does it feel like the world is ending every time I make a mistake? Found out I'm going to miss the deadline for a college I wanted to apply to today, I know I can apply next year if I really still want to go there and not another college, and my prospects of getting in were very low, but I still wanted to try. Fuck me.
 

Collete

Member
I suck, I know. I've been sick as a dog all day. I'm really sorry - I'll call tomorrow.

I wasn't trying to call you out I'm sorry.
I didn't know you were sick still.
My apologies.
You don't have to do this.
I'll try to find someone else.
 

zoukka

Member
Why does it feel like the world is ending every time I make a mistake? Found out I'm going to miss the deadline for a college I wanted to apply to today, I know I can apply next year if I really still want to go there and not another college, and my prospects of getting in were very low, but I still wanted to try. Fuck me.

Like me you might be very critical about yourself. I know I demand too much of myself and it causes anxiety and stress.
 

Xun

Member
Work is really pissing me off at the moment.

People were talking about my work behind my back (which obviously made me feel shit), and then some girl I have to deal with got annoyed with me.

At the time she got annoyed with me, she wrote this on Twitter:

One of these days the blokes going to make me snap! Seriously! #FUCK

I just want to leave.
 

antitrop

Member
Every day I feel like I am ruining my life. Squandering every single great opportunity that has ever been given to me.

I'm literally about to fail out of community college that I'm not even paying for, not out of stupidity, but merely out of complete apathy. You would think that after earning the right do so I would give a shit. I spent several of the best years of my life doing one of the hardest jobs in the entire world basically to get the opportunity to do this. And I'm fucking it up.

I don't know what it is.

The VA and the school is fucking me hard, putting me $6,000+ in debt. That certainly isn't helping, either. The last few months have been the first time I have ever been in debt in my entire 27 years of life.
 
I'll keep things short. I've been on Xanax for the last year or so to help counteract horrible, horrible anxiety. For the most part, it's been a wonder drug. Instead of staring at the ceiling all night, with my mind racing, I can go to bed at a decent hour. Lately though, I've found myself more and more dependent on it, especially during the day. Feelings of nostalgia, old music on the radio - just about anything spirals me into a deep depression where I feel the need to pop another pill. Do you guys think I'm building up some sort of dependency, or am I rather misdiagnosed, and need something for two separate problems? I haven't been over-indulging, but I'm seeing my doctor soon, and would like to be able to articulate what I'm going through.
 

Smiley90

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Let me know what other info you think would be helpful, too. It will be up to each poster's discretion as to what info is posted, but would ages, sex, country, occupation, be useful?* Anything else?

*Not so much? I was wondering how people would figure out who to talk to, but I guess they can just read your old posts.

Just so that's mentioned too, you can add me as well. Windam can verify that I'm a nice person! I think. -cough-

Also add me on steam if you want to, I think I have Oomi, Windam and Yasae (who I haven't seen around in ages though?) already, and I've added Fiction recently too. My steam ID is
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. I'm down for games most of the time and I own most, if you don't want to talk, but play instead :lol. I also tend to give out games for free when I feel like it... Or help with Bio/Chem homework.
 

antitrop

Member
Of all the things to trigger deep depression and anxiety, the Sony PS4 press conference from last night did it.

In the Watch_Dogs demo the character walks up to a homeless person and "hacks" his details, describing the man as having $0 in his bank account, mid-40s, and an Iraq veteran.

That could be me in 20 years. I certainly think higher of myself than to have accepted some fate as a middle-aged homeless person, but I mean... the mere thought of it is soul crushing.
 
Every day I feel like I am ruining my life. Squandering every single great opportunity that has ever been given to me.

I'm literally about to fail out of community college that I'm not even paying for, not out of stupidity, but merely out of complete apathy. You would think that after earning the right do so I would give a shit. I spent several of the best years of my life doing one of the hardest jobs in the entire world basically to get the opportunity to do this. And I'm fucking it up.

I don't know what it is.

The VA and the school is fucking me hard, putting me $6,000+ in debt. That certainly isn't helping, either. The last few months have been the first time I have ever been in debt in my entire 27 years of life.

Dude, I've been there. Barely getting through school, watching my friends excel more than me. Use that as your motivation. Get up every day and try to kick ass, no matter what it is. Keep a clean place, eat good food, exercise, and study your ass off. It will get better. More importantly make as many connections (social links) as you can. That's the real secret for getting ahead.
 

Surface of Me

I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Just so that's mentioned too, you can add me as well. Windam can verify that I'm a nice person! I think. -cough-

Also add me on steam if you want to, I think I have Oomi, Windam and Yasae (who I haven't seen around in ages though?) already, and I've added Fiction recently too. My steam ID is
smiley_1790
. I'm down for games most of the time and I own most, if you don't want to talk, but play instead :lol. I also tend to give out games for free when I feel like it... Or help with Bio/Chem homework.

Added you on steam.
 

Diablos

Member
I've been thinking since i dont have any talents or purpose in life why even exist at all. Who wants to be a fat lonely ugly guy no one wants? I should have killed myself last year. If i have to go to hell i think i would be ok with it now.
Not trying to interject with anti-religious talk, but you realize heaven and hell might not really exist, right?

Even if your life sucks... if you were to end it, have you ever thought about the possibility that there is literally nothing that happens afterwards? You won't even know nothing is happening. You will cease to exist. Period.

Appreciate the fact that you are still breathing.

This whole world is going to complete shit, might as well stay on the boat with everyone else. Seriously.
 

TUROK

Member
Why does it feel like the world is ending every time I make a mistake? Found out I'm going to miss the deadline for a college I wanted to apply to today, I know I can apply next year if I really still want to go there and not another college, and my prospects of getting in were very low, but I still wanted to try. Fuck me.
Does any sort of mistake make you feel this way?

I've grown to like this girl a lot, and now that I've opened up to her, I feel like it's only a matter of time before things go south and I get rejected yet again. Not a fun feeling. It's pretty scary, actually. Anyways, just wanted to vent about this.
 

pradator

Neo Member
not sure where i stand at the minute. im relatively happy and a lot better than i was a few months ago but ive recently weighed myself for the first time in a while and im at about 50kg which made me very sad lol. i have a history of "weight problems" btw. i do want to lose weight as healthily as i can, honestly, but i can feel myself falling back into same bad habits and routines. i comfort eat a lot when im going through depressive stages and i just feel like if i cut that out it'll just fuck with my head again. :(
 

paile

Banned
Last week my life felt like it was ending. I just got done over with a job and was right back deep in suicidal ideation kingdom.

A story:
I went to an interview the previous week and was told a few days later that I got a job with a small accounting firm. It was an admin role with filing, data entry, mailing, light reception...meh. Still, it was my first proper full time opportunity in over a year. I felt so relieved and happy.

I worked the full week and left there Friday being given every impression I would be back Monday. They had even given me a key to the place. Nothing was said of my performance during the week. I did everything that was expected of me. I answered to the guy who owned the firm. On the Saturday after I had worked the week, the guy called this other employee who had just went on Maternity Leave and got her to call me. She said my that my trial was over and there was no need to come in Monday. They'll call me in a week or two. I thought, 'what a slimy way to get rid of someone'. I argued with them and I suggested I come in the following Monday for a proper explanation as to what was going on. I threatened legal action over their 'hiring' of me which I felt was done under false pretences and caused me disadvantage. They threatened to call the police if I came for an explanation. After that we exchanged a few emails of condemnation (I won) and that was that. Least they paid me I guess.

I was very distraught over all this though. There was my first legitimate fulltime job opportunity in a long time blown in a week. And I had just left a casual job because I thought I had become employed fulltime. Now I was totally unemployed and looking at going into debt $200-300 a week. I was in trouble and it started to feel like my world was finally unravelling after a year long rut. I really thought this was possibly the beginning of the end and I was extremely upset.

On the Friday I had turned down an interview opportunity because I thought I had the accounting job. Naturally this is what I followed up first thing Monday morning. If this turned out to be a dead end I was very pessimistic about my future. I organised an interview for Tuesday at midday. I tend to be upbeat, excited and confident in interviews and thankfully my bad experience with the accounting job didn't hurt me here. They were very impressed and hired me on the spot. I started the following day. The job is fantastic. I manage the online sales side of a second hand goods retailer. I have a small office in a quiet area and the autonomy and freedom to run this aspect of the business how I like. Decent pay, great stability and excellent career opportunities.

Now it feels like I'm in the best position in my life. Yeah, I know. I have social contact. I have my independence and freedom. I am moving forward with my life long goals. I have a great job and career prospects. I am still youngish and healthy. All this in the space of a week. It's remarkable.

Now I'm going to go punch a cone (as it's the end of the work week :)) and rest easy for once. No anxiety. No depression. Wow.
 

Prax

Member
The drowning sensation is back...
*sigh*
One of these days it will be the end. Just wish it was soon.
Well, it all ends for us sometime (unless there IS an afterlife.. in that case, I will be happy to live on), so the best thing to do is try to find ways to enjoy it while you can.
Hope you get more professional help soon and keep the gratefulness in your heart for the good things, good people, good chances that come your way. You have friends wishing you well and even though you're feeling low, there are still good things out there for you to enjoy guilt-free.

In your previously reply, you mentioned something about "deserving" suffering in the end, but there is such a thing as disproportionate punishment. For example: if you don't do well in school by not handing in your work, you deserve to not get those marks. It's disproportionate punishment to expect that you should also suffer and not be happy forever on top of that. I understand that it's hard to keep that perspective in check, but if you ever start feeling like you deserve the amount of suffering you're getting, you should reexamine whether it's disproportionate or not.

Changing your focus less on punishment and more on restitution in general may help. If you do something you consider wrong, you don't need to suffer for it. Instead, do something to help correct it. If you break something, you don't off your hand. Instead. find a way to cobble it back together or replace it. If you make a poor choice, you don't need to always put yourself down for it, you instead learn from it and try to minimize the consequences of that choice and make a better choice in the future. That's fair. That's just. For you and everyone.

You're still in school and even if you're not doing superbly, you're still able to make progress. Keep tackling the little tasks you need to do. Even though you say you can barely write, being able to somewhat write is still something. You can do this. Every little good thing counts.

Every day I feel like I am ruining my life. Squandering every single great opportunity that has ever been given to me.

I'm literally about to fail out of community college that I'm not even paying for, not out of stupidity, but merely out of complete apathy. You would think that after earning the right do so I would give a shit. I spent several of the best years of my life doing one of the hardest jobs in the entire world basically to get the opportunity to do this. And I'm fucking it up.

I don't know what it is.

The VA and the school is fucking me hard, putting me $6,000+ in debt. That certainly isn't helping, either. The last few months have been the first time I have ever been in debt in my entire 27 years of life.
I know the feel of squandering opportunities. But as long as you're grateful for them and try to use them sometimes, it's good.
Maybe you are losing your passion for whatever field it is you're in. I think speaking to an academic adviser might help you with that. I know that when it came to the conflict between school and financial burdens, it stressed me out to no end. I just couldn't cope anymore (plus the loss of passion/interest).

But being in debt for the first time isn't so bad. 6k isn't awful. You can actually say that's already ahead of the crowd, really. That feeling of dread of it hanging over your head is definitely stressful, but most things in life are somehow manageable, even if they seem impossible at first. None of us really know our fates, so we do our best to keep trying and becoming the people we want to be.

And falling short of that, still trying to make the kind of society where falling short of that is still "okay". I think that previous sentence was more of my own philosophical musing about having compassion and stuff for every person, but that's what your mention of the homeless guy reminded me of. I want people to be able to get the care they need, and contribute in whatever way they can to society to what their abilities will allow and be appreciated for it. Hrm.. anyway, enough rambling with that, I guess!

not sure where i stand at the minute. im relatively happy and a lot better than i was a few months ago but ive recently weighed myself for the first time in a while and im at about 50kg which made me very sad lol. i have a history of "weight problems" btw. i do want to lose weight as healthily as i can, honestly, but i can feel myself falling back into same bad habits and routines. i comfort eat a lot when im going through depressive stages and i just feel like if i cut that out it'll just fuck with my head again. :(
If 50kg really bad? Isn't that like.. 110lbs (assume you're not too below average height)? You make it sound like you're trying to lose a lot of weight, but that seems like a very reasonably healthy weight to me (maybe even a little on the light side! lol I consider my sister pretty thin/healthy and she's average height and weight around 50kg). I understand trying to tone yourself to get abs or kickass muscles because being able to punch things is cool, but it otherwise sounds healthy to me.

Maybe comfort-eating on things like yogurt or rice cakes would be okay.


Also, I thought I ought to let people know just in case you guys think I went missing or something lol:
I have things to catch up on that I keep putting off, so for the next week or so, I'm going to go on complete radio silence (not going to be online too much to chat or respond). I need that kind of cutting-off in order to focus on things (it's how I study and do art and get anything done, really). I'm too easily distracted otherwise, I think.

I will be back though! Hope you're all working on little things too and I'll catch up with you guys later. :)
 

antitrop

Member
But being in debt for the first time isn't so bad. 6k isn't awful. You can actually say that's already ahead of the crowd, really. That feeling of dread of it hanging over your head is definitely stressful, but most things in life are somehow manageable, even if they seem impossible at first. None of us really know our fates, so we do our best to keep trying and becoming the people we want to be.

Well, it is slightly more urgent than a standard student loan. I have 60 credits and by the end of this semester (if I pass) I will receive my AA, before continuing on to university in the Fall for my BA in Journalism and Mass Communication.

But I can't do any of that shit until I give them $6,000 I don't even come anywhere close to having. I work for minimum wage and the VA is actually withholding stipend payments (which is like 80% of my income) until I clear up the issues with the school. Just a really shitty situation.
 

Collete

Member
Well, it all ends for us sometime (unless there IS an afterlife.. in that case, I will be happy to live on), so the best thing to do is try to find ways to enjoy it while you can.
Hope you get more professional help soon and keep the gratefulness in your heart for the good things, good people, good chances that come your way. You have friends wishing you well and even though you're feeling low, there are still good things out there for you to enjoy guilt-free.

In your previously reply, you mentioned something about "deserving" suffering in the end, but there is such a thing as disproportionate punishment. For example: if you don't do well in school by not handing in your work, you deserve to not get those marks. It's disproportionate punishment to expect that you should also suffer and not be happy forever on top of that. I understand that it's hard to keep that perspective in check, but if you ever start feeling like you deserve the amount of suffering you're getting, you should reexamine whether it's disproportionate or not.

Changing your focus less on punishment and more on restitution in general may help. If you do something you consider wrong, you don't need to suffer for it. Instead, do something to help correct it. If you break something, you don't off your hand. Instead. find a way to cobble it back together or replace it. If you make a poor choice, you don't need to always put yourself down for it, you instead learn from it and try to minimize the consequences of that choice and make a better choice in the future. That's fair. That's just. For you and everyone.

You're still in school and even if you're not doing superbly, you're still able to make progress. Keep tackling the little tasks you need to do. Even though you say you can barely write, being able to somewhat write is still something. You can do this. Every little good thing counts.

Apparently the therapist I should be going wants to only talk to me which is probably the most nerve wracking experience I can go through...Not looking forward to it one bit...I dunno if I'll do it or not...
Sometimes I'm not even sure if I have friends that care when I'm low. Just having horrible time communicating with boyfriend that I can't tell my mom about my depression and he ALWAYS brings it up every time I tell him about a suicide attempt even though I explained for nth time. Sometimes I feel I can't talk to him even though I should...

I'll try to reexamine how I punish myself, however, thanks.

Even if I do something wrong, it's always too late to mend it and people just look down upon me and criticize me.
 

nimbus

Banned
Add me to the chat list. I'm in my mid-twenties, just started taking meds, finally got a full-time job after two years of post-college and is stressed out all the time. Trying to put things together little by little. Would be open to chatting about anything and everything relating to depression or anxiety. Love you guys.
 

BadTaste

Member
I still have shit days but not as common as before. Since my medication is almost done I'm thinking about talking to the doctor about a stronger dose, mehhhh
 

Curtisaur

Forum Landmine
Tonight seems to be a night of remembering. And it sucks. How do you get to see a doctor for this? Go to a primary care and get a referral?
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Welcome back, Smiley!

Thanks! I hope you're feeling better.

Also, I saw this TED talk and I really felt like it's worth sharing. It's about how you should spend like 2mins of "faking" a powerful pose before being in a stressful situation, because it will make you feel significantly stronger, until you're eventually a stronger person all naturally. The woman calls it "Fake it 'til you become it". Powerful message, for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks-_Mh1QhMc
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Thanks! I hope you're feeling better.

Also, I saw this TED talk and I really felt like it's worth sharing. It's about how you should spend like 2mins of "faking" a powerful pose before being in a stressful situation, because it will make you feel significantly stronger, until you're eventually a stronger person all naturally. The woman calls it "Fake it 'til you become it". Powerful message, for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks-_Mh1QhMc


I'm doing really good! I just found out I'm going to be an uncle! What an amazing surprise!
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Lots of interest in anxiety here, chat, skype, EVERYWHERE. So here's Piano and I talking meds for anxiety, back in the day. We were so young, Piano!


Many people suffer from both anxiety and depression, so I thought I'd try to provide a brief overview of the pharmacotherapies for both anxiety and depression - drugs that work for both problems and drugs that can be added to antidepressants to control anxiety.

So, first post: general information about meds for Generalized Anxiety Disorder.

The information is all condensed from summary articles last updated in April of this year, with my own little comments sprinkled in. I've tried to make it very clear where I'm editorializing or providing my own anecdotes.

Generalized anxiety disorder (GAD) is characterized by excessive worry and anxiety that are difficult to control, cause significant distress and impairment, and occur on more days than not for at least six months.

Generalized anxiety disorder (GAD) is a relatively common disorder, most often with onset during adulthood and a chronic course. The disorder can be effectively treated with medication, psychotherapy, or a combination of the two modalities.

FIRST-LINE MEDICATIONS &#8212; First-line medications for GAD are selective-serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs).

Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors &#8212; SSRIs are all thought to be more or less equally effective - the big differences are in the side effect profiles (and cost). Your individual biochemistry will determine what drug(s) work/don't work for you. Paroxetine (Paxil) is the best studied SSRI for anxiety.

Therapeutic doses of SSRIs are approximately the same as for the treatment of depression. Starting doses from the lower end of the recommended range should be used to avoid initial agitation.

Time to onset of clinically meaningful action for an SSRI varies by patient, but averages approximately four weeks. A concomitantly administered benzodiazepine (eg, lorazepam 1 to 2 mg/day in divided doses) can be used to treat agitation and anxiety during this time. After four weeks, if a patient has shown a partial response, the dose can be slowly increased. If the patient has not shown any signs of improvement after six to eight weeks on a therapeutic dose, the medication should be tapered off and another medication should be tried.

If treatment with an SSRI is not effective, typically a second trial with a different SSRI would precede a switch to use of a second-line medication or augmentation of the initial SSRI.

Serotonin&#8211;norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors &#8212; Serotonin&#8211;norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs) inhibit serotonin and norepinephrine (noradrenaline) reuptake.

SNRIs are comparable to SSRIs in efficacy and tolerability for GAD. As of now, the only generic SNRI is immediate release Venlafaxine (Effexor), which has more side effects than the extended release, still under patent, Effexor XR. So if cost is an issue, you're probably not going to go here. I will say that, looking back over my own history with medications, I've done the best with drugs that have norepinephrine reuptake inhibitory properties (the 'N' in 'SNRI' is norepinephrine (also called noradrenaline)). Effexor XR is covered on my insurance, so it's $20 a month for me.

If you don't have insurance, or your insurance sucks, make sure you tell your health care provider. Consumer Reports placed the out of pocket cost for generic Prozac (fluoxetine) at $4/month. Cymbalta, which is still under patent, was $200/month.

I'll dump the antidepressant Mirtazapine (Remeron) in here, too. It's a tetracyclic AD, which is kind of neat, but it's basically as effective as any of the other ADs. The one unique thing worth mentioning is that it can dramatically increase your appetite. So, if you need to gain weight, or just don't feel like eating, this may be the drug for you. I gained 15 pounds while I was taking it, basically because I NEVER felt full. I just ate everything in the house. When I stopped taking it (I had an improvement in mood for a few weeks, but it wore off), I lost all the weight just by eating normally again.


SECOND-LINE MEDICATIONS &#8212; Second-line medications for GAD include tricyclic antidepressants, benzodiazepines, and certain anti-convulsants.

Tricyclic antidepressants &#8212; SSRIs and SNRIs are generally preferred over TCAs because the latter have an increased risk of cardiotoxicity in overdose and less acceptable tolerability profiles. Tricyclics and SSRIs (or SNRIs) are all basically equally effective in treating depression and tricyclics are dirt-cheap. SSRIs are preferred not because they're more effective, but because they're way safer in suicide attempt by overdose. Nick Drake, whose album "Pink Moon" is probably my favorite artistic work "about" depression (you can hear how physically painful it is for him to sing each word), killed himself with an overdose of a tricyclic.


Benzodiazepines &#8212; Benzodiazepines have been found to be efficacious in the treatment of GAD, generally leading to a reduction of emotional and somatic symptoms within minutes to hours, depending on the specific medication. However, concerns about risks of dependence and tolerance have contributed to a decline in their use. Where I'm studying, the shrinks prefer Klonopin and Ativan, which have longer half-lives, so you can take one or two small doses a day for maintenance therapy, and they're not as addictive as some of the other benzos. In many countries, benzos are THE most abused prescription drugs. The pharmacological effect is similar to that of alcohol. Benzos reduce your anxiety, lower your inhibitions, relax your muscles, and just generally make you feel good. With that in mind, there's a clinical pearl that the first 'x' in Xanax is to tell you not to prescribe it, and the second 'x' is there in case you missed the first one - do not prescribe it. Xanax acts very fast, has a very short half-life, and produces a "high" in many people. It's crazy addictive. Personal opinion: Unless it's the only drug that works for you, or you experience severe panic attacks with rapid onset, do not take Xanax. Unless of course your objective is to abuse and potentially become addicted to prescription drugs. The caveat there is that benzo withdrawal is apparently one of the absolute worst, beating out even things like heroin.

One important side effect of benzodiazepines (aside from a general drunk-like state - people suspected of drunk driving who have negative breathalyzer tests are often found to have healthy doses of benzos in their systems) is amnesia ("roofies" are the benzodiazepine flunitrazepam). Dependence and withdrawal symptoms after long-term treatment, and rebound anxiety after short-term treatment. Withdrawal and cognitive or learning impairment are more likely for persons taking higher doses.

In contrast to the antidepressants discussed above, which are thought to exert their primary effect via either the serotonergic or noradrenergic system or both, the benzodiazepines act mostly via gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA). Antidepressants take several weeks to exert their effects, whereas your first dose of a benzo will have an effect within 30 minutes. They're very different drugs in that regard.

Buspirone &#8212; has been shown in several randomized trials to reduce symptoms of anxiety in patients with GAD, offering similar efficacy to the benzodiazepine oxazepam without the risk of dependence. Buspirone&#8217;s FDA approval for &#8220;anxiety disorders&#8221; preceded the tendency of FDA to assign indications according to specific psychiatric disorders, but it is generally considered to apply to the diagnosis of GAD.

Buspirone&#8217;s time to onset is longer than the benzodiazepines&#8217; and similar to the antidepressants&#8217; average of four weeks.

Pregabalin &#8212; It has recently been approved for the treatment of anxiety in Europe. Pregabalin is not approved for treating GAD by the US FDA. Side effects include sedation and dizziness. Tolerance, withdrawal and dependence are possible, but pregabalin is generally better tolerated than benzodiazepines.

OTHER MEDICATIONS &#8212; Over 40 percent of GAD patients fail to improve or have residual symptoms in response to multiple trials of first and second-line medications. Thus, a number of medications have been used as monotherapy or augmenting agents for treatment-resistant GAD despite variable levels of supporting evidence. These include other antidepressants, buspirone, and atypical antipsychotics.

Antipsychotic medications &#8212; Another potential pharmacological treatment strategy for treatment resistant GAD involves the use of second-generation antipsychotic medication. Several randomized clinical trials support the use of atypical neuroleptics in GAD, either as part of an augmentation strategy or as single agents. Quetiapine has been used for GAD, but has not been approved for the disorder by the US FDA. The neuroleptics can have some serious side effects, so deciding to try one is something to think about only when you've exhausted your other options. I tried two different neuroleptics as off-label sleep aids. I have major problems with insomnia, so we tried using all sorts of drugs that have sedation as a side effect, at low doses. A few months on Seroquel and my cholesterol went crazy high. It came back down when I stopped the drug, but I don't know what I would have done had it given me restful, regular sleep.

Hydroxyzine &#8212; appears efficacious for GAD, though the studies that have been done may have suffered from inherent bias in their design (I don't know anything about this. This is just what the article says). Hydroxyzine was found to be more sedating than benzodiazepines and buspirone, and thus potentially useful for treating insomnia associated with GAD.

COMPLEMENTARY AND ALTERNATIVE TREATMENTS - just remember that the fact that something is "natural" does not necessarily mean it's safe. The natural world is full of incredibly potent toxins. Also, alternative medications can interact with pharmaceuticals. When your health care provider asks for a list of your current medications, include herbal supplements, folk remedies, and that raw human placenta you've been injecting into your spine. Dosing is all over the map, too. Have that information for your doc. Your best bet is to bring the actual bottles with you. There is SOME information out there about the actual effective dose of various herbs and things in different brands' formulations. Also, keep in mind (with all treatments) that more is not necessarily better, and 'a whole lot more' is almost always terrible for you. You can poison yourself with mega doses of vitamins. Even moderately large doses can be hazardous. As the importance of vitamin E was discovered and filled in, people began taking large doses in the belief that it would fight aging and prevent disease. Except that, when large studies were finally conducted, it was found that large doses of vitamin E are actually associated with INCREASED morbidity and mortality.

Kava-kava, valerian root and passion flower have been used in the treatment of anxiety. However, there are no adequate randomized trials of these agents in GAD. Kava-Kava has been linked to acute liver failure and was temporarily taken off the market. Herbal remedies have been also associated with significant drug interactions.

Acupuncture for GAD has been studied in several randomized trials; however, methodologic problems limit the conclusions that can be drawn from these reports. I've never tried acupuncture (or seen a chiropractor, etc.) for any condition, but some people swear by it.

Preliminary evidence suggests that exercise reduces anxiety sensitivity and may reduce generalized anxiety. The clinical implications of these limited data are yet to be determined.

DURATION OF PHARMACOTHERAPY &#8212; If effective, antidepressant treatment for GAD should be continued for at least 12 months rather than the six months supported by previous research. In a randomized trial, 136 patients with GAD who experienced reduced anxiety during six months of treatment with venlafaxine XR were assigned to continue the medication or to placebo for an additional six months. Patients continuing venlafaxine XR had a much lower rate of relapse during the second six months than patients receiving placebo (9.8 versus 53.7 percent). Incidence rates of side effects during the second six months compared to the first six months were lower, did not differ statistically between drug and placebo patients, and included no new side effects.

If the patient experiences a relapse following termination of an effective medication, the length of treatment can be extended. After two relapses when tapering off the medication, ongoing maintenance treatment should be considered.

COMPARING MEDICATION TO CBT &#8212; There is insufficient evidence directly comparing the effectiveness of medication for GAD to cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), the best studied and most effective psychotherapy for GAD. Meta-analyses comparing the effect sizes of the two modalities have found largely equivalent results. We (the people who wrote the original article, not the faculty of the Bagels Medical Institute) suggest that the choice between them should be based on treatment availability and patient preference.

I'll plug Mind Over Mood again. It's often used in both the inpatient and outpatient settings AND it's set up as a workbook that you can go through by yourself.

COMBINED MEDICATION AND CBT &#8212; Two trials have found the combination of a benzodiazepine and CBT to be more effective for GAD than a benzodiazepine alone.
While they can be beneficial, treatment that integrates medication with CBT should be administered with caution to avoid counterproductive interactions. As an example, benzodiazepines and, to a lesser degree, sedating SSRIs can disrupt the learning of new coping strategies, a mechanism that is fundamental to CBT. Several principals should guide combined treatment:

Stabilization of medications prior to starting CBT
Avoidance of &#8220;as needed&#8221; or large doses of benzodiazepines
Avoidance of other medications that have sedative effects (eg, sedative SSRIs) while CBT is in progress.

Just to throw in my two cents:

SSRIs/SNRIs have generally helped my anxiety (and depression) but at large cost. They make me dissociative and hazy. The doses that it took to control my anxiety completely simply lopped off the top and bottom end of my emotional spectrum and made me into a zombie. Not to say that they don't work well for some people. I've been on Zoloft (SSRI) and Cymbalta (SNRI) and am currently on a low dose of Lexapro (SSRI).

Buspar (Buspirone) changed my life
. No joke. Apparently for many its a placebo, but for me it wiped out my anxiety completely with very minor side effects. I had never even heard of it before it was prescribed to me - I have no idea why no doctors try it any more. It's non-addictive and available generic so it's safe and cheap to trial run. I highly recommend trying Buspar for those with GAD. On the downside, my dose has slowly crept up from an initial 20mg to 45mg over the past year, but I've gone through a large variety of lifestyle and medicinal changes that may be to blame for the increased need.
For me, however, Buspar does NOT help existential anxiety / panic. I still have to take 0.5-1mg of Klonopin every evening to stave off nighttime panic episodes, but that's a very small dose of what is considered one of the safer Benzos.

So, Benzodiazipines...I've been on two of them, Xanax and Klonopin. What Bagels says about Xanax is true. It's a miracle drug. It works amazingly well. But that's the problem - it works too well. I never got into a cycle of addiction / dose inflation with it but many do, and I can see why. I genuinely missed Xanax for a while after I stopped taking it. Not craved it, but missed how well it worked.

Since then I've been moved to Klonopin. It's...interesting. Not as effective in controlling my anxiety, doesn't help me sleep all that well, takes much longer to kick in (45m - 1hr) and causes retrograde amnesia. But it still mostly prevents nighttime trouble and its longer acting nature removes any of the instant gratification that would tempt one to take more than prescribed or abuse it. I can see why someone would abuse Xanax...Klonopin, not so much. It's a pretty effective anxiety medication. It's certainly not 'fun'.

And then there are Antipsychotics. I spent two months on Seroquel and two more on Seroquel XR. Above all else, it was strange, and while they had some beneficial effects I quickly felt the need to get rid of them. Seroquel was one of two medications I've ever been on (out of 12) that really felt like it was rotting my brain. When I took it, I could feel it slowing down my mental function - it's a drug for schizophrenia, after all. For the first week I was on Seroquel I needed 10-11 hours of sleep a night and my IQ dropped by a third. I slept SO well that I would wake up sore in the morning from having not woken up and adjusted at all the night before. It sucked. The side effects improved but the lethargy never went away completely. That said, it did relieve a lot of anxiety, but at huge cost.

Seroquel XR...I was switched to the extended release hoping that it would maintain the positive anixolytic effects without the brutal sedation. It did, sort of. Instead of being knocked flat every night, the sedation was spread more evenly throughout the day. It did eliminate my anxiety, but again, at a heavy cost - the first week taking it I had no personality and I was always a tad sluggish, both mentally and physically, while I was on it. It greatly affected my creative abilities.

Risperdal (Risperidone), another antipsychotic, was considered as a next option but I never jumped ship to it. From what I was told by several doctors, for many it can wipe out anxiety and agitation without any of the heavy side effects associated with most antipsychotics. So I won't damn the category completely...but I'd say tread with caution.



Okay, so your problems were close enough to the surface that simple lifestyle improvements and introspective conversations helped. Most of the people in this thread are in much more serious trouble than you were.

A good therapist can connect the dots in ways you're not able to; a good psychiatrist can provide you with tools towards your own betterment. I'd have likely attempted suicide several times over the past few years had it not been for the professionals guiding me through.



Really good therapists can read between the lines far beyond what you tell them. And know when what you tell them is a load of shit.


So this is mainly about meds, but therapy can be really helpful, too, either on its own or with pharmacotherapy. I can talk a bit more about therapy if there's interest.
 

Baconbitz

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Is it sad that work (which is depressing) is less depressing then being at home? Fuck this. Man, I got up forgetting my folks had people coming over. I had the day off. They had me cleaning all while I'm being asked to do other things. Then I take a break from it to eat lunch. After that I come back only to find my Mom cleaning that room. I start yelking at her because she is pushing the vaccum towards ny stuff. I was already mad because a bunch of my stuff got mad. Then, it all just puts me in this depressive state. Why the fuck do I continue down this road? Why don't I actualky do something for myseof to get away from this? One would think something like this would be motivation for me to do something. As is before when something like this happens I do nothing to change my life.
 
I'm doing really good! I just found out I'm going to be an uncle! What an amazing surprise!

Congrats! I always love kids :3

blah....so I have a physic exam on monday night, and I have been studying for the last few days straight..roommates had a party, so i put my headphones( cant hear external sounds with it on) and manage to get alot of work done, I am always doing these type of things. I barely spend time with my friends since I want to go to med school, gotta get those A's..just feel lonely and isolated. I guess the worst is when I do see my best friends, they all have a healthy relationship and I have noting..I guess I just feel depress right now thinking about the future, hopefully I will get into med school. But at the same time I am worried if I am unable to get in :/ and if I dont get in, I will just feel like I wasted my life up to now.

I always feel alone and isolated, but at the same time, I think I want to be alone? Anyone understand what I mean?

I wish I had more confident in myself.
 

Bagels

You got Moxie, kid!
Congrats! I always love kids :3

blah....so I have a physic exam on monday night, and I have been studying for the last few days straight..roommates had a party, so i put my headphones( cant hear external sounds with it on) and manage to get alot of work done, I am always doing these type of things. I barely spend time with my friends since I want to go to med school, gotta get those A's..just feel lonely and isolated. I guess the worst is when I do see my best friends, they all have a healthy relationship and I have noting..I guess I just feel depress right now thinking about the future, hopefully I will get into med school. But at the same time I am worried if I am unable to get in :/ and if I dont get in, I will just feel like I wasted my life up to now.

I always feel alone and isolated, but at the same time, I think I want to be alone? Anyone understand what I mean?

I wish I had more confident in myself.

I was in the same boat, to some extent. I worked my ass off in college so I could go to medical school. I could have been more sociable, but I had a lot of work to do, and a lot if it had to be done alone. You do need to find a healthy balance, hard as that can be.

If you want to talk medical school, drop me a line!
 
this is the most depressed i've been in about 5 years. on the plus side, at least i am not suicidal. and to think i was debating stopping my citalopram. it's not like it's even doing anything anymore.
 

Empty

Member
took a recommendation from lunch in a favourite podcast thread from the other day for the mental illness happy hour and thought i'd share it in here too as people might not be familiar with it and may find it useful.

i've listened to a few episodes now and it's really good and helpful. i'll just quote his post because he says it better than i can.

[*]The Mental Illness Happy Hour - I only started listening to the Mental Illness Happy Hour a month or so ago, but in that short amount of time, I've absolutely devoured the episodes. It's really rare to hear people be so completely honest and emotionally raw about their sources of anxiety and depression and just speak about it in such a candid way, and like the Savage Lovecast, hearing another person talk about experiencing the same problems I have is really cathartic. .

thanks lunch!
 

zoukka

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I always feel alone and isolated, but at the same time, I think I want to be alone? Anyone understand what I mean?

You learn to live that way after a while. People get used to almost anything given enough time. It just takes exposure to social events and other people to slowly crawl back to being confident in those situations...
 

Xun

Member
I'm not up for divulging it online publicly but this current problem of mine is really worrying me, so perhaps someone could drop me a PM?
 

Metroxed

Member
I don't really know if I'm depressive, but I do certainly have some "issues" that have been affecting me for a very long while, and in the last couple of years it has gotten worse. I have a very, very low self-confidence and self-esteem. But let me explain why; I'm a guy and I'm 20 years old. I'm 163,5 cm (more or less 5'4'' 1/2) tall. Yep, I'm very short. I've always been, despite coming from an average to midly tall sized family. Since puberty I have always been the shortest of my friends and usually just "the shortest" around. I think I stopped growing at age 16. To that I should add I'm a little bit childish looking, and while I'm not skinny, I'm very close to it.

It has always affected me, but since I finished high school and started the university it has gotten really really bad. My height is the first thing that comes to my mind every morning, and my last thought every night. Everyday, no exceptions. Hardly a day passes without me thinking about it and feeling miserable about it, and I'm not exaggerating, it is everyday. Seeing how almost everyone is always taller than me (and not just taller, but much taller) makes me feel inferior and uncapable of doing the things they do. Going out is always difficult, as everytime I see a guy taller than me (which is all the time, constantly) I think "I wish I was like him" or "I wish I had his height". And it gets worse, because I feel like everyone notices how short I am, I know that's the first thing (and always will be) they will notice about me. This feeling of inferiority makes me always look away or stare at the ground when I cross with people on the streets, specially if they're around my age. I see 15-year-old boys who are already taller than me, and that actually makes me feel very bad.

Now... as it is always the same issue when going out, I just don't leave my house or students residence anymore. It goes like this: classes-dormitory-classes. I don't go out unless I really have to (basically to go to classes and buy food). I'm alone constantly: I don't have close friends. And the thing is I don't feel like I want to have them, as I picture myself hanging around a group of people all of them much taller and just looking ridiculous. It's been a couple of summers now I have literally not left my house. When I started the uni there was a couple of things I wanted to do (learn how to surf, among them) but I just decided I would look ridiculous, so I just don't do anything. I'm on the computer all the time. I do a bit of exercising at home and that's pretty much it.

You may have guessed it by now, but anyway: I've never had a girlfriend, never been close to have one (and never had sex, kissed a girl or related, and being most girls my size or taller, and short girls mostly interested in taller guys, I can't see that changing). I've never gone to a party, never gone out on a Friday night, just name a social event and I probably haven't done it. And perhaps that's not it, but I blame my height of everything. Because if I were taller I would not have such a low self-esteem, and I would not be getting all paranoid about it.

That's it, if you read it thank you, I know it is a lost case. I'll leave you for now with a phrase I once heard on a documentary TV show about people and relationships: "Doesn't matter if you hit the gym, it doesn't matter if you get fancy clothes or a cool haircut. Just be tall." Haha, I guess I'll remember that my whole life.
 
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