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New Durango devkit Pic?
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That logic.... is pretty sound? I'm pretty confident that they're making sure that the hardware runs at a reasonable temperature under 'full load'. Pretty much part of the reason why they chose lower-end specced cpu's and gpu's/apus and clocked (form rumors) at modest speeds.
The only thing one would say that is the 2 prim/clk.
Just like how PS4 GPU is based on Pitcairn variant (with reduced CU count & clocks), MS could very well be using this in Durango.
Is this the one with the 1.79 TFLOPS?
dragonelite
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Jep.
So while dreaming for the Xbox3 GPU to be 1.79TFLOPS you call the PS4 GPU low end & think that an even lower end GPU clocked high is a better fit for consoles?
amazing
which one?
AgentP
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Which goes to show you B3D is just as much conspiracy theorist as Gaf. First they were excited to see the 768SP, 102GB/s and 12CU numbers in the rumored 7790 all line up with Durango leaks. Of course the numbers are now 896SP and 96GB/s but why give up on a theory when the evidence evaporates?
Of course exact GCN implementation in Durango are not known, but people sure love wishful thinking.
Just ignore him, He's blinded by fanboyism.
7790 in the Durango would be a major step up in some, this could also explain some of the rumored devs saying both are a wash in power with PS4 being a little more powerful.
Yeah that would be the only way Edge's comment on the PS4 being slightly more powerful would make sense.
AgentP
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Really, the only way? So it is certain then?
I would take any dev talk with a grain of salt. They are going to be diplomatic and use generalities and nebulous terms. "Slightly" can mean many things or nothing.
The only step up would be the tri rate. I dont see how it gets extra CUs + 25% clock bump.
(i.e. Durango GPU could still be 1.2TFlops if it's based on a 12CU variant of 7790 clocked at 800MHz)
iceatcs
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But based on the rumour, PS4 is almost 1/3 more power than Durango. It doesn't make sense if it mean "slightly", but we should take a grain of salt although.
Off-Kilter
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Yep, that looks like a box all right.
Well that's just arguing semantics. The gap is currently more than slightly. You can't really spin that.
All 4 of them, at the same time.
Looks like a fractal design node 304 itx case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352027
move on now nothing to see
Sexiest ITX case on the planet.
Proelite
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Having 33% more flops is only a slight difference in comparison to past console wars. The Xbox had a nearly a 200% advantage over the gamecube. The PS3, had on paper, had a 67% advantage over the 360.
The ram advantage for PS4 is far more worrying than a slight perceived GPU advantage.
gaming_noob
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Upon a closer look, it looks more than 2 times bigger than SuperDaE's leaked picture a year ago. Final Durango hardware being more than 2X more powerful than original leaked specs seems very plausible now.
Proelite
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It's not a Durango dev kit. People can hold me to my word.
True.
67% more Blu-ray.
Is the bandwidth advantage really that threatening?
I thought the ESRAM would alleviate any bandwidth problems in the Durango.
AgentP
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Yes, because "slightly" is a technical term and the unnamed source using it is completely trustworthy.
Proelite
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400 gigaflops on paper for the RSX vs 240 on paper for Xenos.
Well 8GB GDDR5 came true...
Proelite
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Durango has 5 gb available for games, PS4 at least 7.
Now that is a problem.
AgentP
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Great now you are connecting two independent claims to make one validate the other.
How do we know for sure it's the same source or two independent ones?
Isn't that just a rumor though? Did any leak mentioned this?
Seems crazy to me that MS will reserve 3 GB away from games. While Sony only 1? If things change in these specs, it'll be details like this that are flung around as fact.
Crimson_Gold
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Do you think the 3gb dedicated to the OS is worth it?
dragonelite
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Wattage not sure how much the gpu takes of the ps4.
Still doesn't take away both console are low balling this gen.
But it is better that the console are within 5% of each others theoretical performance level then 50% if you ask me.
3gb by god i dont even know why they need so much for the OS.
If sony can do it in 1gb microsoft should be able to do it with less given the fact they are a goddam company where OS is one of their prime income.
Got it. Keep in mind that a 400GFlops Nvidia GPU at that time performed closer to a ~200GFlops ATI GPU, meaning GPU Flops was not a good metric to compare.
This time however the flops do have a greater bearing.
Proelite
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Yes, if the two GPUs were both off the shelf.
Proelite
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Sony won't have to have voice / Kinect data and concurrently running apps.
Dat secret sauce!
So now both consoles aren't a "wash" anymore?
AgentP
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The text isn't explicit, but why connect dots?
Later it then says:
It does not say "Our source said..." "The same source also said...".
But they're both from AMD with some modifications done, I don't see how the flops can be any different this time around.
What's "Prim" in prim/clock?
Also, I see it has a memory bus of 128 bit and 1Ghz clock speed. I don't think we will see that kind of core clock speed.
When PS4 was just 4GB GDDR5, everyone assumed games would be made with 3GB in mind for multiplats.
Hmmmm... Not like they would admit it anyway.
There really hasn't been a confirm on the total amount of memory used for the OS for either system. The problem remains the overall bandwidth for each system. Based on what we know, the PS4 is still on top because the RAM is just faster.
Again, this is all based on the unconfirmed specs we currently have for the 720.
The Rumor was started by Rangers AKA SpecialGuy who just so happens to think it's a better fit for consoles than the low end GPU in the PS4.
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Cell was also significantly ahead of Xenos when it comes to floating point performance.
No, even if they are customized parts based on the same architecture. It's still far closer than comparing FLOPS to an 8 year old architecture, or to those of a different manufacturer. Even more significantly, RSX was pre-unified-shaders, which makes it almost entirely incomparable.
(Of course, the same is true when comparing to PC, not just comparing between the 2 consoles. Everything is far more comparable this time around)
AgentP
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Well he would know, he's a guy who posts in forums. People love rumors, now people can post all over the net "I read at Beyond3D..." and suddenly it is near confirmed fact.