One thing I really like regarding the "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" song we see in the credits is that despite how great Troy Baker and Courtnee Draper sound, Ken Levine tries to articulate that they sound almost too put together and that he'd like it be less so. The version on the soundtrack completely nails that and it's a much better version because of it.
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SPOILER Bioshock Infinite SPOILER discussion
- Thread starter thomasmahler
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Luteces give it to you after your blimp crashes. They're at the piano.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Booker's racism comes from the earlier Indian War, and the allegations made to Comstock/Booker in one Comstock's voxophones indicate that he was accused of being part Indian. To prove himself, he butchered, scalped, and burned teepees with people inside them.
The guilt which he felt afterwards led him to the baptism event, but with it, Comstock, feeling that he is given free forgiveness by a greater power than himself, without putting any real effort into being a better person, continues his racist progression because he justifies his work as being led by divine purpose.
Meanwhile Booker, feeling regret but unable to go through with the baptism due to not believing in such forgiveness for his heinous actions, slowly comes to terms with what he did, or at least tries to via marrying his wife and having Anna, but after losing his wife, his despair builds up into large debts due to alcohol and gambling.
ShockingAlberto
Member
There's also a recording where Comstock admits that it actually is an injustice to treat people like they're lesser but it has to be done for the greater good.
Incendiary
Banned
Ah, gotcha. I can see the fights getting repetitive if you have to do every one, but the tension from sneaking made that area one of my favorites because I managed to not fight anything but the ones you had to.
That being said, the random turrets in the middle of the building really broke the creepy immersion. Really would have been better if it was nothing but Boys of Silence the whole building.
THE FUCK?
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
How is it for the greater food? I think I missed that voxophone.
therealminime
Member
That is exactly how I reacted to that scare. I cannot handle jump scares and her yelp, followed by pausing the game and laughing is exactly what I did.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I immediately threw like four Devil's Kisses and basically blanketed the room in explosions
I think I audibly swore. I wasn't expecting a jump scare that late into the game, they got me good.
SpartanForce
Member
"To tax the black more than the white, is that not cruel? To forbid the mixing of the races, is that not cruel? To give the vote to the white man, and deny it to the yellow, the black, the red-- is that not cruel? Hm. But is it not cruel to banish your children from a perfect garden? Or drown your flock under an ocean of water? Cruelty can be instructive, and what is Columbia, if not the schoolhouse of the Lord?"
- Zachary Hale Comstock, December the 18th, 1899
onlyindreams
Banned
yea whoever decided to put that SINGLE, random scare in was a fucking genius. it worked so well.
EliteArtist
Member
Then the end game changes to you having dimension changing abilities, and just wrecking people with everything. You see all the doors. All the possibilities. Then you play the rest of the game on a spread sheet figuring out how to solve everyone's problems.
Going through my 800 (lol) screenshots now. This bit kinda freaked me out.
I loved that place because of that eerie-ness. Going through mine too lol.
The LOD diffusion was a little weird in the fire room, but I figured it was to convey the sense of heat. Also just played on my monitor instead of my TV.
I wasn't able to sneak past them either, but I dropped my machine gun and picked up the heater nearby, and WOW. Don't know if you've tried it, but it has explosive rounds that can wipe them out en masse in a couple of hits.
On a side note, I -just- discovered that the number keys are linked to the different vigors, in the order in which you find them (1 is Possession, 2 is Devil's Kiss, 3 is Murder of Crows, etc). Wish I'd known this earlier!
Also, some shots I just took from Comstock House:
therealminime
Member
Agreed. Even though it nearly killed me, it was a moment I won't soon forget and it reinforces how effective a single, well placed, and unexpected jump scare can be.
Stupid theories I cannot prove and have no evidence for
1. the kid that you save from being murdered by the Vox Populi leader is Andrew Ryan
2. Andrew Ryan is Booker's doppelganger
3. The main character from Bioshock 1 is Booker's doppelganger
4. The twins had equal power to Elizabeth, but just did not tell Comstock
1. the kid that you save from being murdered by the Vox Populi leader is Andrew Ryan
2. Andrew Ryan is Booker's doppelganger
3. The main character from Bioshock 1 is Booker's doppelganger
4. The twins had equal power to Elizabeth, but just did not tell Comstock
Of course, just thought it was interesting is all.
Booker operated the bathysphere, which is possibly some evidence that he is Jack/Ryan's doppelganger.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Does sparing/killing Slate have any affects besides whether he's in the prison?
I spared him in the Hall of Heroes then killed him in the prison.
I spared him in the Hall of Heroes then killed him in the prison.
I heard there is something in Bioshock that says only Ryan DNA can run the bathyspheres, but I am doubting its validity unless someone actually shows proof....now I know only Ryans DNA can shut down the machine in Bioshock 1 that powers everything, but I dont remember anything about the bathyspheres
An Audio Diary from 1 said there were ways around that, even a distant relative could operate it, so it's not a perfect security system.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
No way...No way that has to of been added. No way.
Never really looked at it from that perspective but I really like that concept.
XANDER CAGE
Member
That gameplay video is from 2012. Maybe someone at Irrational and someone at IGN pulled a long-con.
Just finished the game today, and after reading through the majority of this thread...bravo everyone. I wished the narrative could have been a little more interspersed throughout the game, rather than a huge info dump at the end, but I have to say the concepts and discussions have stuck with me far more than any game in recent memory. I loved the parallels to the other universes (i.e. the songbird is another universe's big daddy, etc.). I especially loved the parallel of the near final ending shot:
can't wait for the dlc!
can't wait for the dlc!
I don't remember anyone behind me at that part I did it just today. I feel like I missed out.
man I woke up the whole neighborhood and screamed something unintelligible
never will forget it
had to pause the game for a few minutes
just as bad as the statue in the fort frolic scene in bioshock 1
http://youtu.be/TOxabfdwwhI
Andrew Ryan is Booker's doppelganger sorta confirmed (or at least a relative)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/931329-bioshock/faqs/49868
I don't think anything will ever top that scare. I'd say the "turn around and the Boy of Silence is right behind you" moment in Infinite, but BioShock already did that in the Medical Pavilion.
Or they got there before the lock was put in place, or a universe with no genetic lock.
Apparently there was some big guitar easter egg that wasn't there for me. You got threatened at gun point then you walk downstairs into some bar and there was a guitar there. I never got threatened and the door to the bar was locked, weird shit.
@sn00zer: That confirms nothing though, as Elizabeth became omnipotent and can see all realities/outcomes. Who's to say she didn't just tear them into a Rapture without said security system or that the security system in the Rapture they go to wasn't just disabled?
The way the story goes, they can excuse practically anything. I get that there are some who love to think this is a prequel to BioShock with direct ties, but it seems like grasping at straws to me.
The way the story goes, they can excuse practically anything. I get that there are some who love to think this is a prequel to BioShock with direct ties, but it seems like grasping at straws to me.
Nope, lock is put in place once everything goes to shit, which it has during Infinite
Hellsing321
Member
It was definitely in Lockdown when Liz takes you there. There were signs all over saying it.
I didn't get that either. I played a guitar in one part but I was never threatened.
Edit: Maybe that did happen. Damn it was jest a few days ago and I already can't remember everything that happened in the game.
If you go behind the counter the guy pulls a gun on you, that's all I can think of.
The One Who Knocks
Member
It's in the second dream sequence (don't know about the others) on the floor in his office. It's an easter egg to a newspaper mentioned in Bioshock 2: http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Stanley_Poole
EDIT:
Agreed. Every justification is almost certainly a possibility at that point in the story.
No, you got threatened by two guys right outside the bar with pistols.
I'm gonna check my save, I wonder what else I missed. I know for sure I missed a infusion from the first Vox cipher "blah blah hat", walked around for a little waiting for a prompt or idk something but nothing so I left, found out later I missed a infusion -_-
SammiiDoogles
Member
Yeah that bit was a fucker...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ3M3Sq4pbE
They got me again with the Boy of Silence though hahaha...
Incendiary
Banned
I have to say, I think this game has made me decide to become a PC gamer from this generation onward. I want to be able to take beautiful screenshots of Infinite. 
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I'm referring to Songbirds death in Bshock 1
Wow thats gorgeous.