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Bioshock Infinite | Official Spoiler Thread |
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Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Theoretically, since the date of the sale of Anna in 1893 is such a key figure in terms of the multiverse for Booker, it's possible that some memory leak/remnant exists as sort of a deja vu moment to concern Booker with Anna's being in her crib.
Yes, though this depends on how you view time (and the extent of the Luteces abilities regarding travel through it) being either linear or cyclical. The date on the Luteces death in the photographer's voxophone states they died in October 1909. Perhaps the reason they choose 1912 Founder's Day is for a lowered guard state due to the festivities or because that's when Liz is most approachable, or because in some universes, that's when the Vox Populi are about to uprise, or heck, because it's simply the way things work. Alternatively, it could just be that the Luteces picked this Booker at this time because they can't hop around in time/space the same way Liz can, but have to keep moving forward. We don't know for sure.
Zeouterlimits
Member
The plot thickens?
It seems like a set-up. Damn you, Ken!
Not talking just about the bumper. People seemed to have settled on something that's too simplistic for what's presented. There are some major oddities towards the end of the game.
GoddyofAus
Banned
Tomorrow they release a small patch for BS1 which adds the Songbirds cry to that scene.
APZonerunner
Member
The baptism ultimately leads him to power. It is the power that corrupts, not necessarily religion.
Maybe they added it to the PS3 version since it comes with B1 on disc
Booker was mocked for having Native American blood in the past. He probably internalized that racism while throwing away his previous identity. The baptism didn't make him racist.
NO ONE THREAD SHOULD HAVE ALL THOSE SPOILERS.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=528960&page=144
never forget.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=528960&page=144
never forget.
bodyofanamerican
Member
Ok it's totally an April Fools joke by IGN. HAS to be.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
The baptism leads to racism in the sense that it allows Comstock to 'come to grips with his actions' in Wounded Knee, and Later, in Peking and the events of Columbia, because he believes that he is following a higher power, in this case, his interpretation of God, rather than man's law/guilt.
Without ever having to come to terms for his actions, he never has to face/accept the wrongness of them, and continues on his destructive path, only now, he has a rationale to excuse his behavior. He's already racist, just never has to come to terms with it on his own like Booker does (who is shown specifically to not be racist in several scenes)
I said it in the other thread, but can anyone point out where the priest is said to be blind? It obviously makes sense, I was wondering how he didn't recognize Booker, especially if Comstock took him with from the baptism, but I must have missed where it was mentioned.
Agreed, it is very odd. But unfortunately, with such a lack of information, we can only make solid assumptions based off of what we know. Anything more moves to pure guess-work or adding intent where none is shown outright.
SlasherJPC
Banned
It was posted back in august. How could it be?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Hahahaha nice one.
sssstententen
Member
Maybe Ken only put the Songbird cries in the code of some copies of Bioshock, to signify the number of timelines in which Booker never made it that far?
Rodney McKay
Member
I can't hear the Songbird's death sound in that Bioshock 1 video posted. Dude is talking loudly right at the 14 second mark.
It doesn't. The baptism led to Booker relinquishing any remorse for his past actions, and this in turn led him to glorify those deeds as mandated by God and his own personal idea of America. The baptism was the excuse he needed to become Comstock.
The Booker who went on to become P.I. Booker DeWitt who sold his daughter Anna refused to take that excuse, but he also went down a dark road of his own. Booker finally "won" when he rejected the idea of the choice itself, knowing there could never be any real recompense.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Well or maybe it's only in the recently released Rapture edition? I have a copy. I should try and get to that part and confirm.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
GoddyofAus
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He84jP5Nuqk
0:52, exactly the same screams in the background, in a non-IGN video, uploaded January last year.
I think this is legit, people.
bodyofanamerican
Member
No way to manipulate the date on their YouTube account just for today? I dunno. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
Edit: Well, shit.
The Xtortionist
Member
Songbird is likelier to appear in the sky above my house after I finish typing this post than for him to have been a part of Bioshock 1 outside of re-purposed sound effects.
Irrational intentionally reusing that sound effect would be mindblowing enough. Especially since it fits the timeline. By the time Jack got to Fort Frolic, the corridor that the plane crashes through would be gone and other corridors repaired by Big Daddies. Which they are in Infinite's Rapture.
I'd like to request one change to the OP... and I don't have precise instructions, just a request... If possible, it'd be helpful if The One Who Knocks could maybe rewrite his explanation of the ending in the very first question in the OP, simply for the sake of clarity. I recall seeing him explain it better in subsequent posts. The selection that was quoted rambled a bit at times -- he was still working through his thoughts back then -- and so it's a bit hard to follow, imo. I know he can make it clearer now that he's repeatedly tested his theory every which way and it's worked out each time.
sssstententen
Member
Our lord and savior Ken Levine will lead us into the final tear.
I believe.
I believe.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Ill hit him up about it.
blindrocket
Member
"God's Beard!"
Member
Robert and Rosalind enjoying some secret downtime
Imagine three balls at the edge of a cliff.
GoddyofAus
Banned
Somebody go and play that section in the BS1 that comes with the PS3 Infinite and see if you can find a window to the outside. You might catch Songbird sinking into the depths.
I don't buy the explanation for why Elizabeth has her powers. Her getting her pinky removed was a total freak accident that I don't see being planned by Comstock. I just see it as way of illustrating to players how the multi-dimensions are bridged together, and too further exemplify the fact that Elizabeth is Booker's daughter. Aren't the Luteces solely responsible for why Elizabeth has her powers? That and her being a test subject and experiment her whole life is explanation enough for me why she can open and create tears.
It's probably from the Rapture edition then, like some one said? I mean the older video doesn't have it, so they must have added it. Still really cool though.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Now that is one fine OP. Excellent work.
The Xtortionist
Member
I don't believe it was planned by Comstock. Comstock simply wanted a child and Elizabeth losing her finger and gaining the tear powers was a side effect.
Thanks. It's only with the utmost respect I ask The One Who Knocks to try and tighten up his ending explanation. I know the content is correct; it's just for the sake of clarity. His theory is what made everything make sense to me, but he did so across a series of subsequent posts. So, if he's up to condensing it all in one new master post, this would be helpful.
On another note, anyone notice that the statue of Lutece en route to Raffle Square actually changes between male and female forms? I don't know what causes it to change, but it definitely changed from Rosalind to Robert at one point.
PowderedToast
Junior Member
dear god, that OP
this games plot epitomizes 'going off the deep end'. i'm surprised that people are reacting positively to it. kojima would be crucified for writing something like this
this games plot epitomizes 'going off the deep end'. i'm surprised that people are reacting positively to it. kojima would be crucified for writing something like this
This is the part I still don't quite understand. I asked this in the other thread, but how does him drowning at the end not erase all versions of Booker? If drowning Booker removes the paradox, how can he exist in the after-credits scene? I know the scene is there for a reason, I just don't understand how he can be alive again.
Kojima could never write anything this good.
What's there not to buy? It all makes sense enough for me.
Nope, you can hear it in this 2011 video as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-liupFskO0
9:35 mark. Dude's sort of talking over it but it's definitely there.
Edit: you can also hear it (much more clearly) around 12:10, which means it's played multiple times. Makes it seem like part of some looping or semi-randomized background sound effect. It sounds ALOT like songbird though. Not sure what to think really.
Riposte
Member
It is not even that crazy of a story.