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Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware PS3/PSV) Sorceress Trailer
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Is it just the gif or does she not draw the string and loose arrows?
SnakeLinkSonic
Member
Wasn't there a recent episode of 8-4 discussing Kamitani and this kind of stuff specifically?
Agreed though, brushing aside the argument because one can't handle a term with negative connotations is a common defense.
michaelius
Banned
Too old
That's why I said I wouldn't be playing it on my lunch break to begin with.
dacuk
Member
I do not give a shit whatever people thinks when I am playing my PSP / DS in public...they are not paying for my games.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I don't have a problem with you disliking it
but I'm not sure you're right in labeling this pandering towards a certain type of person.
This is just Kamitani's style. He's created characters like this in all his other games. He's drawn characters like this on Christmas cards sent out to other people in the industry.
See previous discussion regarding the last Dragon's Crown trailer, which elicited a similar argument regarding the art, and started here:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=527211&page=5
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=527211&page=5
FunkyPajamas
Member
i mean, seriously - a full-grown adult reduced to hammering buttons & flipping sticks, totally absorbed in manipulating a piece of plastic electronics in an attempt to control a cartoon? gaming, at its core, is already, to a great extent, pretty fucking pathetic even without these controversial 'trimmings'...
Goddamnit this thread... thanks a lot, Salsashark.
Imma go outside and throw a ball or something.
dark_prinny
Banned
People having problems with fictional characters in videogames with huge breasts better seek for medical help.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
looks like it draws itself
magic bow
anymore animation frames would probably affect the rate of fire, so I'm ok with stuff like that if it's gameplay motivated
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
That's not really relevant.
After all a woman designed this character and I don't think anyone in this thread complaining about Sorceress would feel any better about this one
if anything she isn't muscular enough. Other than her legs she's not really buff and still has a shapely hourglass figure.
I was hoping for something like Raijin from Muramasa.
dreamer3kx
Member
Looks great, I love the character design, dont mind big breasts at all, didnt know Jessica Rabbit was a mage.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah they talked about that as a gameplay concept very early on.
That she would have finite arrows and have to pick them up off bodies or have the thief find more for her in order to fire her weapon.
So spacing and resource management are very important aspects of her playstyle
Probably the character I want to see/play the most
i've never seen the whole 'what's offensive/immature, what isn't' thing being any more complicated than this. if you're not embarrassed about someone watching you vicariously blowing people's brains out, i'm not sure why you'd be embarrassed about just about anything else...
That's a flat way of looking at it.
"Good guy overtakes the evil, evil is punished!" is a very positive thing in just about every society. From soldiers to gladiators, men asserting dominance and taking control of what is theirs and the property of their people is a very masculine, "pride"-based thing. Why should this be embarassing, besides "oh no, I'm playing a video game!"
And lets not even start to go on about the honor and dignity that comes with military service. How different is playing COD than jumping up at the Oscars, and cheering for Saving Private Ryan?
However, lusting after a "loose" female... what society holds that in high regard? Immature displays of affection and attraction are the domain of children and teens.
Also, one doesn't have to be vain to be concerned about the opinions of the public eye. People in power are always concerned about what they place alongside their name and image. We;ve all had to make some compromises in this world, but some things ask one to go too far; "cartoony undulating boobage" is probably the "loss of respect!" button for many a type of people, lol.
So a new character video every week then? (judging by the upload times) Bring it!
I have to say before seeing this I wasn't interested in the Sorceress (or Wizard) at all. I was expecting less interesting spells. Seems you will be able to plan some major shenanigans with her. Also dat Blizzard!
Makes me want to see what the Wizard can pull off. Regarding the Elf gif above and the lack of string pulling, I think the gif is slowed down. Normally you can't tell there's an animation missing there. I also didn't notice the quiver emptying O_O
I have to say before seeing this I wasn't interested in the Sorceress (or Wizard) at all. I was expecting less interesting spells. Seems you will be able to plan some major shenanigans with her. Also dat Blizzard!
Makes me want to see what the Wizard can pull off. Regarding the Elf gif above and the lack of string pulling, I think the gif is slowed down. Normally you can't tell there's an animation missing there. I also didn't notice the quiver emptying O_O
pizzapizza64
Member
Is this game YOPO?
Crimson_Gold
Member
Sadly no
This is what I want to know.
Based on the outrage by a few users here... as a male, am I supposed to be offended at how they portray strong male leads? I'm not ripped nor am I a hulking mass of dude. Why doesn't vanillaware cave in and render all males realistically?? they are portraying a standard of dudeness that I cannot possibly achieve for my own body. I'M SO OFFENDED! SO SEXIST! Boycott vanillaware until all the character designs are boring as fuck.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
I'm worried that if the Sorceress sneezes, that her back would break. Am I the only one here?
nailbombxx
Member
People are still complaining about the proportions?
To me they seem like full figured Frank Frazetta style ladies mixed with Vanillaware's art style. Appropriate for a Dungeon & Dragons style fantasy game.
Regardless if you don't like the character designs for a portion of the characters, I think we can all agree that the enemies and backgrounds are absolutely beautiful.
To me they seem like full figured Frank Frazetta style ladies mixed with Vanillaware's art style. Appropriate for a Dungeon & Dragons style fantasy game.
Regardless if you don't like the character designs for a portion of the characters, I think we can all agree that the enemies and backgrounds are absolutely beautiful.
Black Door
Banned
Lol, 20 pages of slut-shaming and rage because "normal" women only have B-cups or smaller. Too bad you wouldn't get the casual anti-Japanese racism since the production would be American
Not sure, but I wouldn't mind listening to it if there was!
-nod- Maybe it's just how I'm feeling today, but the criticism didn't even feel that harsh. If anything, the defese is dropping down to that "You so crazy! You just doen't get it!" level, while the critics are listing why and for what reasons.
For me, I'm just kinda happy Kamitani isn't "typecasted" by now. Been making games that look like this at LEAST since Princess Crown, and yet he can still shock people with the characters and designs he comes up with. That's pretty impressive.
Masked Devil
Member
Game looks awesome! Preordering this and Muramasa Rebirth.
Love Vanillaware!
Love Vanillaware!
nailbombxx
Member
If you want to attack a game with bad female proportions, attack Mortal Kombat 9.
Those characters have like no hips at all. Its gross.
Those characters have like no hips at all. Its gross.
NoirVisage
Banned
djplaeskool
Member
She's a sorceress with gravity spells. I think she has...countermeasures. :lol
Heh, technically the Elf has borderline "ridiculous proportions". She looks to be 4'8" with the womanly curves of a six-year-old boy. I don't see complainers about that end of the spectrum however.
I don't think categorising a female as 'loose' because she wears a low cut top is terribly progressive.
The issue is that, no matter how much you try, you can't convince anyone that the "women" in a Netherrelm game are actually suppose to be *FEMALE*.
Ok, I actually think Killer Frost looks kinda decent. Mostly because her face actually looks kinda nice, unlike KILLITWITHFIRE Raven and Wonder Woman...
Lol this.
People complain about female body proportion in video game need to heed this man.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
I have never seen sexual objectification as part of the definition of misogyny before. This may have something to do with the fact that this is from Wikipedia and not an actual dictionary.
Of course. None I know personally, but there must be.
Please, let's avoid discussing whether any of these proportions are "realistic." A real woman is a human being with a vagina. None of your cultural, physical, psycho-sexual biases as to what one should look like are relevant.
Better yet... don't play at work or go outside the office.
... that's all you got out of that? And besides, the lack of any support on her outfit makes her very "loose"! *ahem*
Besides, I'm talking about the perspective of the casual observer, anyway. Progressive-smogressive, a non-gamer seeing something like the sorceress (or heck, even Jessica Rabbit) flopping around on screen, with over-exaggerated boob physics moving from her every arm gesture, wouldn't really come through as "wholesome housewife" now, would she? Eesh.
I laugh at all the times this defense comes up, because it acts as if Men and Women view self image by the same values.
They don't. Not all of them, anyway.
And hey, history doesn't even value the same "parts" on each sex at the same rate! Is peck-popping as sexualy-suggestive as breast-rockin'? Do women request "junk jiggle" in their games? Do boys worry about the image a G.I. Joe gives them, the same way women and girls complained about the image a Barbie gave them?
The idea that Vanillaware is pretty even about their views of exaggeration is a valid one, yes. But the view that women and men would each view their own sex's exaggeration, and the exaggeration of the opposite sex, as equal and fair, is flawed.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Nah the wikipedia definition is fine. Problem is the reading comprehension of that poster
Everything following that is no longer apart of the definition, but are examples of ways Misogyny, which is the hatred or dislike of women, can manifest itself. It doesn't mean that all those examples are inherently misogynistic. Just that they can be motivated by misogyny
tl;dr this isn't misogynistic please stop using that word so haphazardly people
It can be, but sexual objectification as misandry also requires denigration in some fashion. Alone, it's more like fetishism.
I guess in a roundabout way you could say sexually objectifying a woman by attacking some part of her body, simplifying her character to how X part is disproportionate, shameful, embarrassing or disgusting is a better example of misogyny. Swap Sorceress for a real human being and this is a 'slut shaming' (ie: bad term for misogyny) thread.
Weltall Zero
Member
There's also Rock Press, which obviously is a book with an R. Interestingly, at 0:44 you can see the Wizard selecting spells, and he has, among others, Flame Burst (F) and Blaze (B).
(man, no matter how many times I see it in Katakana, Bureizu always throws me off. I always thing "Breath" first). Seems like they have an elemental thing going on.
nailbombxx
Member
I'm still gonna.
You and I should be friends.
Pyrrhus
Member
It is kind of like she's being constantly motorboated by an invisible man, isn't it?
I don't think this is a hatred of women. But I do think it's probably borderline pornographic. I expect I'll buy the game myself, but can we all be honest that it's well beyond the curve in terms of the gratuitous sexuality? I mean, to go back to pornography, it's fine and people use it daily, but that doesn't mean you want to proudly admit to watching it to your sister-in-law or your boss.