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Fighting Games Weekly | April 22-28 | Game of Throws - A Song of Salt and Fire(balls)
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biosnake20
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What characters have they done so far? Also have they done Dante yet?
SolarPowered
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Decided months ago and still perfect to this day. Especially the damage scaling and buster cancel.
biosnake20
Member
What were their Morrigan nerfs?
see what i mean lol
i think buster or lightning should push you far away so zero can't hit confirm from full screen anymore. he will still be able to do what he does in the corner.
biosnake20
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FChamp is saying Chris G is a scrub and only wins because of "braindead" morrigan. Damn you are salty lol.
The Lightning not causing soft knockdown fixes that somewhat and not being able to cancel lightning. I mean getting sniped FULL SCREEN by a fucking lightning bolt that has no durability points is one of the most retarded things in the game especially when that hit converts into a dead character. I don't care getting comboed after getting hit by Buster because that is actually an intended design... getting Lightning'd is not an intended design choice at all on the character.
my changes would be what i said and tweaking his damage scaling. i would allow buster cancelling.
yeah he is full of shit since he abuses missiles as well.
Ragingnight
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His team minus hidden missiles is pretty honest.
Morrigan's zoning locks down a majority of the cast without an assist.
Well he did nerf Hidden Missiles and Plasma beam plus nerfs on Doom. That's like a CORE part of his own zoning game. If you remove Hidden Missiles from his team he actually plays more honest than most other players do now (ie put Vergil in the back).
I felt that Champ and Magus should've pulled rank on ShadyK... he was essentially falling back on "oh no Lightning loop requires skill and Zero players aren't winning". The FChamp analogy on Zero was spot on... the nerfs they gave to Zero basically was the equivalent of turning Vanilla Akuma into Super Akuma.
I already know what's going to happen for the Morrigan portion. FChamp is going to go ham for nerfs but ShadyK is going to fall back on "but it requires execution". That Zero portion was essentially like that and Zero really came away pretty good.
like the point i am saying is that you can't get mad at someone if they bring a rocket launcher in battlefield but you bring a revolver claiming it takers more skill to wield and its more "honest" than a rocket launcher... If a rocket launcher is on the table, you don't just call it scrubby and push it aside, especially in a competitive environment.
Now I do agree that Morrigan should be nerfed, but I don't agree with the way FChamp claims his playstyle is honest in a game where "the cheap stuff win's",
thats basically what i am trying to say.
Stabby McSter
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NCR tentative pools are up. http://ncr11.challonge.com
They're up surprisingly early this time. I remember last year, they dropped the Thursday before. D:
They're up surprisingly early this time. I remember last year, they dropped the Thursday before. D:
Parallax Scroll
Banned
damn when is chris g gonna start using a skill character
Alright final thoughts on the changes then I move the discussion to the main thread for tomorrow. This time it was Magus who was bringing the real talk and ShadyK with the extremely heavy bias.
Spencer - At least it was recognized that 80K was a problem although ShadyK was trying to defend that it should stay even though he apparently didn't even know that it was completely unscaled damage. I think the fix is alright. Surprised they didn't go overboard with the nerfs here because he is known to be fairly brain dead.
Haggar - Most shocking portion of the patch discussion. The nerf on Rapid Fist makes no fucking sense. The whole Lariat into super is the same exact shit some of the other characters have (Hulk Gamma Charge into Gamma Crush or Captain America Charging Star into HCS). All you have to do is not fucking press buttons against Haggars so he ends up wasting 1 bar maybe even two to save himself from unsafe Lariat. I felt that the Roll that he gets off of cr.H should've been a command move so he can use it as another way to get in because he is one of the characters that gets bodied hardcore by proper zoning. Like with the changes they gave to Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider vs Haggar would be close to a 9-1 match up (it already almost is).
Doom - At first I wanted them to just make Missiles disappear on hit but the suggestion they made is actually better because it greatly nullifies the combo breaking element of the Missiles (if they disappear on hit they can still combo break you if the assist was protected). The greatly nerfed tracking would basically mean that after you get a combo you would just move one step forward and evade all missiles. The Plasma Beam nerf was obviously warranted I mean it's really dumb that the assist comes out so far behind Doom which essentially serves as YET ANOTHER combo breaker assist in the game. Foot Dive nerf was also needed, the hit box on that move is fucking wild. I don't remember the other change but overall I am satisfied with the Doom changes.. his support value in the game is game breaking so glad to see everyone was sort of agreeing on it even if they were sort of sketchy on how best to nerf it.
Chris - I don't remember if they kept the horizontal air shot buff but that's essentially what Chris needed the most. I don't care about the rest of the stuff (the hyper being cancellable or the Flamethrower doing less damage). I think Chris is a weird character in the meta where he has an obvious hole in his zoning BUT his damage is outrageous. The Flamethrower nerf was warranted but I don't know if the hole in his zoning was addressed. I also felt that Magus was on to something when he suggested a buff on his j.S because once Chris jump and someone likes Wolverine gets under him it's pretty much over... he has no "respect" buttons in the air once you are on him he has to pray for a throw to get you off him. Difficult character to balance IMO.
Arthur - They got the main one (not hardknockdown on Gold armor) but really didn't address many of his other issues. A slightly faster walking speed isn't going to do jack shit, his mobility is still ass. You are still punished hard for using Gold armor. I guess they are fine with Arthur serving his niche of anchor/support character.
Nemesis - Holy crap now that's what I call buffs. LVL3 was universally accepted to be garbage so yea it should've been buffed. I love the new angle down rocket, that covers a giant hole in his zoning and makes it so that he doesn't have to always be jumping around like an idiot he can stand his ground like Ghost Rider. The command grab issue is definitely something of a problem and of course Nemesis' scaling is freakin ass. The overhead change was supposed to be accompanied by a bigger bounce on that move because it hitting overhead doesn't really change much in its utility as a point move.
Nova - I mean they addressed what was too abusive/derpy about him but not what he was lacking which was him having an interesting game plan. The red health mechanic wasn't even mentioned, that's a big portion of his toolset that is almost never used.
Zero - Too much defense from ShadyK bringing up the execution/skill card. I feel it wouldn't have been brought up if Zero had won as many tournaments as some of the other top tiers or if ChrisG was using him. At least they addressed the damage but really... he got off clean for the most part. The Lightning part of his game is obviously unintended, it even looks fucking glitchy when he does it.
Spencer - At least it was recognized that 80K was a problem although ShadyK was trying to defend that it should stay even though he apparently didn't even know that it was completely unscaled damage. I think the fix is alright. Surprised they didn't go overboard with the nerfs here because he is known to be fairly brain dead.
Haggar - Most shocking portion of the patch discussion. The nerf on Rapid Fist makes no fucking sense. The whole Lariat into super is the same exact shit some of the other characters have (Hulk Gamma Charge into Gamma Crush or Captain America Charging Star into HCS). All you have to do is not fucking press buttons against Haggars so he ends up wasting 1 bar maybe even two to save himself from unsafe Lariat. I felt that the Roll that he gets off of cr.H should've been a command move so he can use it as another way to get in because he is one of the characters that gets bodied hardcore by proper zoning. Like with the changes they gave to Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider vs Haggar would be close to a 9-1 match up (it already almost is).
Doom - At first I wanted them to just make Missiles disappear on hit but the suggestion they made is actually better because it greatly nullifies the combo breaking element of the Missiles (if they disappear on hit they can still combo break you if the assist was protected). The greatly nerfed tracking would basically mean that after you get a combo you would just move one step forward and evade all missiles. The Plasma Beam nerf was obviously warranted I mean it's really dumb that the assist comes out so far behind Doom which essentially serves as YET ANOTHER combo breaker assist in the game. Foot Dive nerf was also needed, the hit box on that move is fucking wild. I don't remember the other change but overall I am satisfied with the Doom changes.. his support value in the game is game breaking so glad to see everyone was sort of agreeing on it even if they were sort of sketchy on how best to nerf it.
Chris - I don't remember if they kept the horizontal air shot buff but that's essentially what Chris needed the most. I don't care about the rest of the stuff (the hyper being cancellable or the Flamethrower doing less damage). I think Chris is a weird character in the meta where he has an obvious hole in his zoning BUT his damage is outrageous. The Flamethrower nerf was warranted but I don't know if the hole in his zoning was addressed. I also felt that Magus was on to something when he suggested a buff on his j.S because once Chris jump and someone likes Wolverine gets under him it's pretty much over... he has no "respect" buttons in the air once you are on him he has to pray for a throw to get you off him. Difficult character to balance IMO.
Arthur - They got the main one (not hardknockdown on Gold armor) but really didn't address many of his other issues. A slightly faster walking speed isn't going to do jack shit, his mobility is still ass. You are still punished hard for using Gold armor. I guess they are fine with Arthur serving his niche of anchor/support character.
Nemesis - Holy crap now that's what I call buffs. LVL3 was universally accepted to be garbage so yea it should've been buffed. I love the new angle down rocket, that covers a giant hole in his zoning and makes it so that he doesn't have to always be jumping around like an idiot he can stand his ground like Ghost Rider. The command grab issue is definitely something of a problem and of course Nemesis' scaling is freakin ass. The overhead change was supposed to be accompanied by a bigger bounce on that move because it hitting overhead doesn't really change much in its utility as a point move.
Nova - I mean they addressed what was too abusive/derpy about him but not what he was lacking which was him having an interesting game plan. The red health mechanic wasn't even mentioned, that's a big portion of his toolset that is almost never used.
Zero - Too much defense from ShadyK bringing up the execution/skill card. I feel it wouldn't have been brought up if Zero had won as many tournaments as some of the other top tiers or if ChrisG was using him. At least they addressed the damage but really... he got off clean for the most part. The Lightning part of his game is obviously unintended, it even looks fucking glitchy when he does it.
Slamtastic
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FormallyFamicom
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lol
Hhahahhaaahhahahahaaaa
Marvel finally has its version of the classical Viper/Sagat match.
Passive Assassin
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Wow. They have a cool setup.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
That's a sweet setup they're playing on.
I'm in the same pool as F.Champ, Snake Tits and Hypnawtik. Look for Magic Mike on stream.
toddhunter
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The SS guys and Bosslogic do some amazing stuff (except playing marvel). Looking forward to the showdown a great deal.
SolarPowered
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I thought you meant something gameplay related at first. Man, I won't forget Ricky telling his ass to sit down lmao.
toddhunter
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This seems ... unlikely. If Magneto/doom didn't work the first four hundred times a few weeks ago, I can't see it working now.
Chris G takes it in a flurry of tears.
Daigo will take SF4. Markman is just building up the hype.
After Final Round, Champ's world was falling apart around him. That loss really did something to him because it was not close. Even Shady or whoever was streaming at the time said it completely shattered him. Imagine putting all your time and resources into someone or something just to let the final result slip away from you. He streamed his training sessions, he talked about various matchups, he read up and watched videos, and he played hundreds of matches a week.
As people say, Champ always arrives early to a venue. He is very dedicated. But all of that is for naught as you lose to someone who plays a dozen other games and from a public standpoint doesn't really have as much as knowledge as you do about the game.
Now after a month or so later, Champ had the time to use Morrigan himself on a more serious level to see how she works and has started a campaign to get other people to use her so everybody can get an idea of how to fight her. They have done their homework and game time is soon. This is more important than EVO. EVO is neutral grounds and has a party atmosphere. NCR is your home turf, you are the king of your domain. You cannot let someone else come in and take what is yours. Your people will root for you. Everything is to go your way. Losing is not an option.
As people say, Champ always arrives early to a venue. He is very dedicated. But all of that is for naught as you lose to someone who plays a dozen other games and from a public standpoint doesn't really have as much as knowledge as you do about the game.
Now after a month or so later, Champ had the time to use Morrigan himself on a more serious level to see how she works and has started a campaign to get other people to use her so everybody can get an idea of how to fight her. They have done their homework and game time is soon. This is more important than EVO. EVO is neutral grounds and has a party atmosphere. NCR is your home turf, you are the king of your domain. You cannot let someone else come in and take what is yours. Your people will root for you. Everything is to go your way. Losing is not an option.
toddhunter
Member
True ... but Chris G will still win.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Correct.
I hear ya but ...
If he's really still saying that then he's already lost.
Chris G has worked as hard as Champ, if not harder.
Champ is sticking to his guns rather than try out more obscure characters. The answer is out there, but Champ isn't going to be the one to find it.
If there's a tourney top 8 with Apologyman, Rubeks, Champ and Chris G, and I wasn't allowed to put money on Chris, I'd put my money on Apologyman and Rubeks over Champ every single time.
Champ is sticking to his guns rather than try out more obscure characters. The answer is out there, but Champ isn't going to be the one to find it.
If there's a tourney top 8 with Apologyman, Rubeks, Champ and Chris G, and I wasn't allowed to put money on Chris, I'd put my money on Apologyman and Rubeks over Champ every single time.
i hope chris comes from losers and beats champ 6-0 in grand finals.
TheThunder
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Disappointed that Daigo is skipping NCR for an exhibition, and a nico nico one at that (so expect a shitty stream that will kick you out after 30 seconds)
There's always EVO for that re-runback I guess.
There's always EVO for that re-runback I guess.
Make that our avatar bet? Chris G gets first- you win. Otherwise, you wear avatar of my choice. I feel like betting against Chris G for once.
chris g will win since kadey just gave fchamp a huge endorsement.
Kadey curse is indeed strong... I'm willing to take that risk
commanderpepper
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Honesty in a game with loops, one touch kills, infinities, TACs, and X-factor. If Chris G wins NCR I hope this is a wakeup call to Champ to pick Morrigan and Doom with either Mags or Dorm.
toddhunter
Member
I would feel a bit dirty hoping he would win but you are on. How long for?
I think the best tactic is to just roll over and let him win EVO. Maybe then he'll pack it up and play something else.
a month?
toddhunter
Member
Done.
commanderpepper
Member
Drop Marvel, play Injustice?