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Game Informer: Dualshock 4 prototype hands-on
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James Sawyer Ford
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Agreed.
Digital button click >>>>>>>>>>>>> analog triggers
For shooters its vastly superior.
Hell, I'd love it if the L1/R1 buttons were as clicky as the Vita's buttons. Need dat tightness and responsiveness
Go on...
BladeoftheImmortal
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logical fallacies all up in here.
These gifs deserve more love:
Also, my suggestion for on-screen keyboard:
Someone suggested to combine that with the Android trace-typing scheme.
Also, my suggestion for on-screen keyboard:
Someone suggested to combine that with the Android trace-typing scheme.
reptilescorpio
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Touchpad is there for Vital games compatibility on PSN. Also means they can tap into that touch mobile market.
Jon of the Wired
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So, I've noticed that while I hold the DualShock 3 only in my fingers, without my palms touching the controller at all, that the natural grip for the 360 controller is to have the whole thing in your hand, nestled in your palm. It makes me wonder if people who prefer the 360 controller over the DS3 aren't just holding the DS3 as if it were an 360 controller, which is to say, totally wrong. Indeed, if I hold a DS3 that way, with the grips sitting in the palms of my hands, it does feel tiny, and my thumbs do collide when using both sticks. Which is, of course, why you would never hold it that way.
It makes me wonder if other complaints about the DS3 also stem from thinking about it as if it were just an 360 controller. For instance, many people seem annoyed that L1 and R1 are used for aiming and shooting by default in many PS3 games, instead of L2 and R2. This has always seemed crazy to me, because I can't understand why anyone would want to map an analog button to a binary action. However, in the context of those people mostly playing games with an 360 controller, it sort of makes sense. I certainly wouldn't want to aim and shoot with the bumpers, because they're not very comfortable to use and resting your fingers on them for a long time feels very unnatural. If you think of L1 and R1 as being directly analogous to the bumpers, than it makes sense that you would think using them to shoot would suck (even though it's pretty awesome).
The same phenomenon can perhaps (at least partially) explain the strong preference some people display for the 360's asymmetric stick layout. I personally prefer the symmetric sticks on a DS3, when using both sticks, as I find it more comfortable and natural. When I'm not using both sticks, then I don't particularly care about the layout. I have, however, seen many people argue that the asymmetric layout is better, because the symmetric layout privileges the dpad over the left stick, when the left stick is more commonly used and therefore should have priority. This argument has never made much sense to me, because given how I hold the DS3, I find it equally comfortable to rest my thumb on the dpad and on the stick, so I don't consider either control to be privileged over the other. On the 360 controller (and when you hold the DS3 incorrectly), however, it does feel more natural to rest your thumbs on the upper controls than on the lower ones, which may give rise to this complaint.
tl;dr the DS3 is awesome if you hold it right (in your fingers, not your whole hand), though the deadzone on the sticks does kind of suck.
It makes me wonder if other complaints about the DS3 also stem from thinking about it as if it were just an 360 controller. For instance, many people seem annoyed that L1 and R1 are used for aiming and shooting by default in many PS3 games, instead of L2 and R2. This has always seemed crazy to me, because I can't understand why anyone would want to map an analog button to a binary action. However, in the context of those people mostly playing games with an 360 controller, it sort of makes sense. I certainly wouldn't want to aim and shoot with the bumpers, because they're not very comfortable to use and resting your fingers on them for a long time feels very unnatural. If you think of L1 and R1 as being directly analogous to the bumpers, than it makes sense that you would think using them to shoot would suck (even though it's pretty awesome).
The same phenomenon can perhaps (at least partially) explain the strong preference some people display for the 360's asymmetric stick layout. I personally prefer the symmetric sticks on a DS3, when using both sticks, as I find it more comfortable and natural. When I'm not using both sticks, then I don't particularly care about the layout. I have, however, seen many people argue that the asymmetric layout is better, because the symmetric layout privileges the dpad over the left stick, when the left stick is more commonly used and therefore should have priority. This argument has never made much sense to me, because given how I hold the DS3, I find it equally comfortable to rest my thumb on the dpad and on the stick, so I don't consider either control to be privileged over the other. On the 360 controller (and when you hold the DS3 incorrectly), however, it does feel more natural to rest your thumbs on the upper controls than on the lower ones, which may give rise to this complaint.
tl;dr the DS3 is awesome if you hold it right (in your fingers, not your whole hand), though the deadzone on the sticks does kind of suck.
Agreed on the grip thing- if you hold it with the handles flush with the palms of your hands, you're doing it wrong. Don't blame the controller.
immortal-joe
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Im already having a hard time dealing with the loss of analog face buttons (dat smooth feel)
But if i have to deal with 360-style sticks on this thing im going into a state of depression, then ill punch some kittens.
But if i have to deal with 360-style sticks on this thing im going into a state of depression, then ill punch some kittens.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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this.
Xplatformer
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BurnOutBrighter
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Complaints about a controller's appearance amuse me. Every controller from the N64 onward has looked like a sex toy.
360 controller is actually pretty attractive...as is the Wii U pro controller. not sure what you're getting at here.
Man just tried it and it was so alien. If that's the right way to hold it, then I want no part of that. I can see how you get better control, but lord this isn't comfortable at all. Glad they're improving the ergonomics of the DS4.
ViewtifulJC
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So you're saying you would sex up the 360 controller?
You may be making the man's point here
don't even start >_>
TimeEffect
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I had to kill two NPC's because of that shit :'(
RIP Onion guy and Blue phantom jerk from Demon's Souls.
nordique
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Thumbs bumping into each other has always been my biggest peeve with these controllers....its the best news ever for me that Sony has apparently alleviated this!
Man just tried it and it was so alien. If that's the right way to hold it, then I want no part of that. I can see how you get better control, but lord this isn't comfortable at all. Glad they're improving the ergonomics of the DS4.
You've been using it wrong for years? How do you not have some kind of hand/wrist injury? I just tried holding it like that and it was uncomfortable after five seconds.
They don't have the bawllz.
That is not a normal grip, at least for me. It is very unnatural, the "proper grip" is far more tiring to me. I'm still recovering from a compressed nerve, I can really feel shitty ergonomics now. This "correct" grip would fuck my hands up during extended use, very crampy. The palm grip is atleast comfortable, albeit a bit un-optimal. I personally hate the sticks of the DS3. Tightening the sticks, improving the dead-zone and adding concave tops should fix a lot of my gripes.
Exactly, my fingers slipping off the sticks was by far my major gripe with the Dualshock, I'm also glad that they're making them a bit stiffer, that's a welcome change.
Callibretto
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You're not supposed to grip the dualshock at all. Rather let the controller rest on top of your finger.
Nah this ain't working. I need to actually grip something, this is not appealing at all.
BRocknRolla
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Wow, symmetry vs. asymmetry is really something people think can be debated with anything but personal preference?
It is all NONSENSE. None of it is natural. It's a goddamn controller. The only wrong layout would be one where you can't push the buttons or move the sticks.
It is all NONSENSE. None of it is natural. It's a goddamn controller. The only wrong layout would be one where you can't push the buttons or move the sticks.
Xplatformer
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Man just tried it and it was so alien. If that's the right way to hold it, then I want no part of that. I can see how you get better control, but lord this isn't comfortable at all. Glad they're improving the ergonomics of the DS4.
Just tried holding the DS3 without the handles touching my palms. Fuckin ewwww.
Can't stop playing with a DS3 fast enough.
As someone mentioned..symmetrical sticks are fine if they are far enough apart and the handles are long enough. The DS4 is going to be so good. Thanks Bungie
There are right ways and wrong ways to hold things though. Mice for instance, I purchased a Logitech G500 and was never happy with it despite it being a praised mouse. It was because it was meant for a palm grip, while my grip was a finger-tip grip. I was much happier when I bought a mouse suited to my grip, the G9x.
SlowRevolution
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Surprised they're still working on the d-pad. Hope they go with a bigger version of the Vita's.
If it is going to be the choice of fighting gamers then it needs to be perfect.
I still tickles me when people use it. You should have seen how much bandwidth it was using when I first made them. It was something like 90% of my server load going to them, haha.
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That's assuming most of us want it.
There's plenty of us that don't want asymmetrical sticks.
Jon of the Wired
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Ok, at first I was a little doubtful about my hypothesis because I had a hard time imaging anyone successfully playing a video game while holding the DS3 in their palms. Now I'm genuinely curious about how widespread this is.
timetokill
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Looks like they're getting the DS layout about as good as they can. It's a shame they're not switching to a better stick placement, but at least they're more separated for larger American hands, and improving the triggers and dead zones. The DS3 was just such a terrible controller for me. Everything they're doing with this one sounds like an improvement, despite not moving the left stick.
Arc Christelle
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Even though every controller BUT the DS feels perfect.... I feel like I was listening to a religious zealot just now.
YES
Man just tried it and it was so alien. If that's the right way to hold it, then I want no part of that. I can see how you get better control, but lord this isn't comfortable at all. Glad they're improving the ergonomics of the DS4.
This. It's weird because I can use any controller but DS although I hear most DS users say they can't use any other controller.
Truespeed
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The controller needs a permanent Internet connection.
SlowRevolution
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We're lucky that Sony's even changing up their controller this much. If they changed the stick placement they'd be moving even further away from an iconic design, and they would get Xbox fans saying they ripped them off. I'm surprised people ever thought it was a serious possibility, but maybe the stick placement isn't as big a deal design-wise as I'm thinking. I just can't see Sony making that change while also managing to keep the classic DualShock look (which I think the new controller still has, despite the changes).
I hadn't thought of it, but that's the perfect analogy- 360 controller is palm grip. The dualshock is finger-tip grip.