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Xbox One blocks used games. Offline Pass confirmed
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Neuromancer
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DIVXbox
Dave Meltzer
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Do you know that for sure?
And do you actually do that? Does anybody in the entire world go to someone's house, log in to their Steam account and download a PC game and then play it?
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
This crap makes me wanna RAGE!
I hope Xbox One bombs to Wii-U level proportions!
Day One DLC, Micro-transactions, Season Passes & paid Online & now this!
Gamers don't support this crap.
I hope Xbox One bombs to Wii-U level proportions!
Day One DLC, Micro-transactions, Season Passes & paid Online & now this!
Gamers don't support this crap.
Watching you try to defend this the whole thread has been the best thing I've seen on GAF in weeks. Please, keep going!
theytookourjobz
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GameStop ain't gonna be happy about this. Come to think about it, all retailers are gonna be pretty pissed at MS.
matty2Dfraud
Banned
until Sony announces a similar system is in place for PS4?
hydrophilic attack
Member
And we´re done here
Phife Dawg
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Because otherwise the Harrison quote wouldn't make a lot of sense (he refers to friends and not not some stranger on Craigslist). But the whole thing is communicated horribly so I don't know for sure that's why I asked for confirmation.
you're trying too hard dude
they don't deserve your defense strategy today
let it go
So according to the Kotaku Phil Harrison interview, they will have 2 ways of handling this. The first being giving the disc to a friend and him paying full price and both of your then can play the game.
The second being trading in your games online, and this will allow for a pre-owned games market. But it being online, I assume this cuts out Gamestop out of the equation, allowing MS to profit from used game sales?
So many questions left unanswered.
The second being trading in your games online, and this will allow for a pre-owned games market. But it being online, I assume this cuts out Gamestop out of the equation, allowing MS to profit from used game sales?
So many questions left unanswered.
eot
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Probably just means you need to be online to install the game.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
What's to defend? if it offends people, then sure, don't buy it. As somebody who has been buying games digitally at full price for the best part of a decade and not trading them in, I don't see what there is to be offended by. If you're poor, maybe, I guess I see the issue. But just wait for the game to go on sale if you need trade in money to afford video games.
I think Xbox One looks like fucking shit, but mainly because they showed nothing interesting. Consoles becoming more like PCs however, I love. If they have good games, the fact I can't trade in video games after buying them is something I could not possibly care less about. Being able to tie games to an account more than makes up for it.
We do not know that yet.
Neuromancer
Member
Yeah but if only one account could be online at the same time, that kind of limits its appeal.
I'm hoping this is the case, obviously I have no way of knowing. But it would take some of the sting out of this. Just a little bit.
Little Green Yoda
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10/10 A++ would read again
Do you live in the UK? In NA, prices at retail never, ever, drop at the same rate as they do on steam, amazon PCDD, greenmangaming, etc.
Can I interest you in a $50 digital copy of Mortal Kombat?
jamesinclair
Banned
For the people who are saying RIP Gamestop....
I dont think you guys realize how influential they are. Millions of people walk into their store in December and ask the "experts" "What do I get my kids for Christmas?"
All Gamestop has to do is simply direct their associates to do everything in the power to get people to buy the PS4 and Wii U. They dont have to worry, MS does.
And Best Buy is also getting into the used game. They can do the same thing.
I dont think you guys realize how influential they are. Millions of people walk into their store in December and ask the "experts" "What do I get my kids for Christmas?"
All Gamestop has to do is simply direct their associates to do everything in the power to get people to buy the PS4 and Wii U. They dont have to worry, MS does.
And Best Buy is also getting into the used game. They can do the same thing.
Jacksonlee
Member
gamers DO support it , if you look at sales.
GAMERS , DON'T SUPPORT THIS CRAP.
PoweredBySoy
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And you have to pay for online play and deal with ads on your desktop. JUST like a PC!
Neuromancer
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Gamestop has already said they're happy about it. So something's going on with them. Some kind of agreement between them and MS. Maybe they have a finger in this theoretical 'online game trading' thing.
matty2Dfraud
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hopefully sony announces something similar. looking at this thread... console gaming will then be dead and we can all flock to steam! wait
ugh. that sounds so slimy and dismissive.
I'm not poor but I'm not going to support this type of shitty business model that takes away convenience and basic consumer rights for lending or renting games.
Dave Meltzer
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matty2Dfraud
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what are you going to do when every console supports this shitty, anti-consumer business model? stop playing games entirely?
Just another thing to think about. You are better off buying the retail game now since DD prices won't drop as fast...
Knux-Future
Banned
I hope they blackball them...but lol at that happening. Sony will follow. Nintendo will do so for their next (if there is one).
I thought this shit was over with but nope...thanks MS.
people will be even pickier about games they buy now thanks to the death of trading and renting.
also the "bu-but steam" people can STFU. I barely buy games from Steam unless they are dirt cheap just because I can't try them out via trades or rentals.
Games are fuckign expensive..the idea that you are stuck with a garabage game without anyway to either try it out beforehand (barring demos which...don't always tell the whole story) or trade it back in if it sucks or your are just done with it...is fucking stupid. On Steam is matters less for me at least because I only paid like 2 bucks for some games. Retail games go cheap sure...but it takes forever if it is an actual good game...and that doesn't change the fact that you can't even rent them...something that I have don't for decades.
fuck anyone who defends this crap
Father_Brain
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They'll probably set up a system for Gamestop to sell activation codes along with the discs, but MS/publishers will get a cut and presumably be able to dictate pricing.
shaowebb
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Used games do the following:
By eliminating the used market through the methods Microsoft is trying to do they will likely cut down on some piracy and they will guarantee all profits go to them and the developer, but they will be MASSIVELY shrinking the size of their markets as most cannot afford to reside exclusively in the new game market's price point level.
What they have done is effectively ignore the law of large numbers in business. "More coming in than what is lost" is how insurance companies and bank's thrive. Microsoft has bottle necked their market so tightly that they have vastly reduced their market in favor of a near 100% revenue model. 100% of a much smaller market still isn't as good as allowing the HIGHLY profitable used market to continue on their console. 1/3rd of the profits in the industry are from the used market and its completely incalculable how much this will hurt them with consumers let alone developers in the long run.
Who ever came up with this business model was not only blind to resale business markets, but they were absolutely wreckless in ignoring the consumer's reaction to this topic this past year.
Plus if this was a way to attack piracy I'd say it will backfire. The more unattainable you make it for the consumer to receive something they want the more you popularize piracy and the more you empower pirates to find ways to steal and distribute your goods.
Gabe Newell gets that...apparently Microsoft doesn't.
Dark times ahead for both gamers and developers at this rate as the industry is about to lose some money.
- They allow people at a very low investment risk to branch away from their select few titles and try new games. This means that used games allow the consumer to become part of a market that was once too exclusive for them thus growing said market into a more stable brand for later titles.
- DLC still can be purchased on current gen used games. This means that instead of limiting a single physical copy of a game to just one person in potential DLC sales each title can be resold to the consumer market innumerable amounts of time to get more DLC sales per physical unit. In other words DLC lets publishers penetrate used games for sales more than new games. Used games account for 1/3rd of the business in the industry currently.
- A used market creates a resale market allowing consumers to sell back their old titles. The majority of games resold have been documented to go toward the purchase of NEW games and consoles. In other words the used market is helping the consumers to be able to afford to buy new games and hardware. Remove the resale market and many wont be able to afford new titles or systems.
By eliminating the used market through the methods Microsoft is trying to do they will likely cut down on some piracy and they will guarantee all profits go to them and the developer, but they will be MASSIVELY shrinking the size of their markets as most cannot afford to reside exclusively in the new game market's price point level.
What they have done is effectively ignore the law of large numbers in business. "More coming in than what is lost" is how insurance companies and bank's thrive. Microsoft has bottle necked their market so tightly that they have vastly reduced their market in favor of a near 100% revenue model. 100% of a much smaller market still isn't as good as allowing the HIGHLY profitable used market to continue on their console. 1/3rd of the profits in the industry are from the used market and its completely incalculable how much this will hurt them with consumers let alone developers in the long run.
Who ever came up with this business model was not only blind to resale business markets, but they were absolutely wreckless in ignoring the consumer's reaction to this topic this past year.
Plus if this was a way to attack piracy I'd say it will backfire. The more unattainable you make it for the consumer to receive something they want the more you popularize piracy and the more you empower pirates to find ways to steal and distribute your goods.
Gabe Newell gets that...apparently Microsoft doesn't.
Dark times ahead for both gamers and developers at this rate as the industry is about to lose some money.
Why is this GIF perfect?
You could even go one step further, allowing any console to run a game without registration, so long as the disc is in the drive. This could lead to people installing games on one console and passing them along to friends who promise not to register the games, but at the same time it would be a saving grace if one's internet connection were to go down, or the registration servers.
Impeccable
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I'm "ultra-super rich"(lol, no) but I never buy any used games. Literally, I don't.
FUCK all of this non-sense though. You are a pretty big asshole to call people names over this stuff and a bigger asshole for defending it.
FUCK all of this non-sense though. You are a pretty big asshole to call people names over this stuff and a bigger asshole for defending it.
A Human Becoming
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Even if that's true, if I don't like the game I can't trade it away on services like 99 gamers or Goozex without the person having to pay for the game again. I bet the pricing model will be the same as Games on Demand.
And whatever system Microsoft comes up with to trade Xbone games I guarantee will not be as good. I wouldn't be surprised if they were a big a rip off as Gamestop.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Games are software. I assume you don't think you have a right to resell all software you purchase? IIRC you're quite the Apple fan, do you feel aggrieved that you can't resell any expensive app purchases you've made? Or are they different because they're lower priced so your "basic consumer rights" don't apply?
This is inevitable, man. Physical media is dying
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
When you prove these are comparable, you are welcome to post that argument.
Thus far you have not.
I wish I knew, it is perplexing, haha.
Ace Harding
Member
The common arguments are that Steam is an "open platform" (it is certainly more open than consoles, though not completely open) and that prices are better and there are more frequent sales (largely as a result of being more "open").
The problem is that we don't know how "open" these new consoles are going to be. People are comparing Steam to what the Xbox/Sony marketplaces are now. Will they be "open" enough to let publishers release a game when they want, and at whatever price they want? I don't think anyone knows the answer to that.
It might take a little while for Microsoft and Sony to adapt, and you could see the consoles become more open later on if that becomes a significant revenue driver because of price differentiation. If games are allowed to be cheaper on one versus the other - dunzo for the one with pricier games.
Liberty4all
Banned
I wonder if MS aims to become gamestop when it comes to used products.
NullPointer
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Steam and the Xbox One couldn't be more different.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I've not called anybody names (assuming you're talking to me) and you just called me an asshole. Like, you've personally insulted me for having an opinion, and then also insulted me for insulting people inspite of the fact I've not insulted anybody. And Microsoft are the monsters?
Neuromancer
Member
This is the problem. If MS is doing it there's a very good chance Sony is doing it. PC gaming is already DRM-ed up the ass. Even Steam, as convenient and nice as it is, still requires at least some online connection to access your games from time to time. Video gaming as it has traditionally been known may be over, except for maybe handhelds. And the WiiU.
IcyRhythms
Member
No, most will go with the company that's at least handing us some lube first.
Impeccable
Member
I never directed my post at anyone. As per not quoting one.
not the same
Dave Meltzer
Banned
The concept of game ownership being license based and people being more than happy with it on PC, however, is. Just because second hand games are popular on consoles doesn't mean gamers haven't been more than happy not trading in their digital licenses for years now.
"You are a pretty big asshole"
Yeah ok m8 great ambiguous use of language there.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Wow cant believe they actually did this.
Only way I'll buy it is new games are like $10-$20.
Only way I'll buy it is new games are like $10-$20.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
I hope those that do buy the system after price drops and games at low low prices.
This is what I hope will be the response. I never buy Steam games at full sale. The most I've ever spent on a PC game is $21.
From Phil Harrisons comments that's really what it sounds like. But the fact they aren't saying explicitly right now tells me they aren't even close to having all the necessary deals in place so it will probably never happen.
Neuromancer
Member
Fantastic post. Thanks.
I don't think MS really cares about piracy; I'm fairly sure this is 99% focused on the 'scourge' of the used games market.
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