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Geoff Keighley: PS4 Used Game DRM (EDIT: but now apparently on hold)
- Thread starter PopcornMegaphone
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Neuromancer
Member
Wow what the hell OP.
babyghost853
Member
Fixed.
Not only can people buy Wii U, they can also game on PC, or they can even choose to not play games anymore. Anything is better than getting fucked up the ass by companies.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Holy shit. 90mph car, meet brick wall.
Aliquidmeri
Member
Wait, you got me worked up and worried ever Geoff's feelings and speculation? Thanks for that.
I'm still cautiously optimistic about the ps4 DRM, if only because the only evidence I can remember for it are this and the kotaku rumor from last year. Weren't there a ton of rumors pointing towards a used block for the xbone?
I'm still cautiously optimistic about the ps4 DRM, if only because the only evidence I can remember for it are this and the kotaku rumor from last year. Weren't there a ton of rumors pointing towards a used block for the xbone?
EA canned Crysis 3 on Wii U right before launch, there was clearly a problem that happened between Nintendo and EA.
I am definitely expecting a form of online pass.
I don't think I'm able to make a new thread yet.
NullPointer
Member
I just thought this should be emphasised.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I would imagine the fact they could get destroyed in courts for "lying" would prevent them from doing it.
ThisWreckage
Banned
famousmortimer and Edge do deserve more trustworthiness than doritos pope.
Let this whole thing burn, I say.
Please keep pushing away new customers and old ones.
Please keep pushing away new customers and old ones.
Those guys probably couldn't be happier with these new consoles.
Neuromancer
Member
Keep talking, I like it.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
It'll all end in tears, E3 is going to hurt a lot of people by the looks of it. In the mean time #TeamMortimer
Gorki247
Member
If mortimer's sources are correct and Sony at first were going to implement DRM and now they aren't, it sounds more like they actually haven't made up their mind just yet. There are still several months to go and they may wait until things have calmed down a bit to make the final decision.
Origami Superman
Member
My apologies if you took that so literal. I simply was saving myself from typing mandatory always on camera that could possibly (not confirmed - yes I realise) be monitoring you during use for visual DRM.
jaundicejuice
Member
So both consoles will potentially have all of the downsides of digital distribution on PC but with none of the upsides. This combined with my ever creeping disinterest towards what passes for "triple A games" means I'll likely be sitting the next console generation out.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
This is damning evidence against the OP.
Thread title deserves an even more strongly worded edit.
charlequin
Banned
Just to get everyone on the same page here, famousmortimer (our source in this thread) has confirmed that the Sony system is real and was planned for launch, and his sources are now suggesting it's getting shelved due to backlash. That's entirely compatible with Geoff hearing that Sony was implementing this system.
Fast-moving thread. I prefer to actually read some of what's happening before rushing into title edits.
Indeed. They will have a glowing rep and much goodwill from gamers if they avoid walking into this same pile of shit right behind Microsoft.
Yeah that is the real question. I would guess it is a combination of things (sales and lack of power like you say), but maybe the DRM thing started it.
Maybe not. Who really knows at this point because you can't get an answer from Nintendo or EA. Maybe DRM had nothing to do with it.
Winterfang
Banned
Good to see this Thread Title edit. Can we please do so with some of the Xbox One threads that used Misquotes also? For the sake of more clarity.
toddhunter
Member
Makes sense, but paid online on 360 still worked with a free PS3, so why not release it on there with extra DRM?
uuaschbaer
Banned
I don't think even Microsoft or Sony would maintain that piracy is the reason for used game DRM. I don't even understand how that would work. Why would you connect piracy with used games?
Lucent
Member
Pretty much. I've already seen a lot of "eff you, Sony" type responses even after that was posted. It's that "read title of thread so that's all I'm responding to" thing. lol
maverick40
Junior Member
Why pc though,steam hasn't aallowed used games ever
Perhaps this was intended to be sarcastic, but this is probably pretty close to the truth.
I'm sure the idiots running Microsoft went to EA a few years ago and said "Hey, we're developing a new console, what would you like to see?" 2 guesses as to what EA responded with.
Not blaming the publisher for Microsoft's bad policies for next-gen, but we know without a doubt that EA stands to gain. I wouldn't be surprised at all if publishers are the catalyst in all this.
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I'm still waiting to see what the reaction will be if the "chosen one" aka Sony announces DRM like Xbone and fees for online multiplayer. Microsoft made a lot of coin on those online fees last gen and Sony wants a piece of that action I'm sure.
E3 can't come soon enough.
E3 can't come soon enough.
I mostly agree, but there's a difference between a car, a book or a T-shirt and digital goods. Even after some use, digital items are as good as new. I don't like buying second-hand items. But I wouldn't have problems buying a second-hand license to use a software. If games on a disc are becoming more and more a digital license to use a software, the gap between actual goods and digital ones become more and more tenous.
Besides, there's also a difference with games that uses online servers: you buy both a good and a service at the same time. I can understand online pass because of this.
That being said, I won't accept anything like a system that require me to connect to a server to check my rights to run a software, and leave a question mark on my chances to play it in 10, 20 or 30 years from now. And even if I don't use the second-hand market at all, I also can't support a system that says who can or can't sell/buy a goods and basically enforce a tax on all sales.
ahhh the old days when people didn't find out about shit like this until a magazine told them and by then it was too late and the only recourse was to write an angry letter which nobody hardly did because they were too lazy and then the only choice they had was to vote with their wallet which is the correct way... but now everybody has a megaphone and think they can just scream into it every time the world doesn't spin the right way for them
/rant
*yells at the sky
Miles Quaritch
Member
Famousmortimer, do you know who has picked up Dead Rising 3? Crazy Buttocks suggested it was no longer a One exclusive....
No worries if you can't talk about it, just thought I'd ask.
No worries if you can't talk about it, just thought I'd ask.
Glorified G
Member
Had to google this to see what this is. With that price point I might buy it.
charlequin
Banned
I don't follow.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
I updated the op with famousmortimer's comments.
Also, I've read some comments regarding my "misleading" title. I felt Geoff's "white knight" comment strongly indicated Sony implementing a DRM, so I felt comfortable naming Sony. Obviously it's all rumor mongering at this point.
Also, I've read some comments regarding my "misleading" title. I felt Geoff's "white knight" comment strongly indicated Sony implementing a DRM, so I felt comfortable naming Sony. Obviously it's all rumor mongering at this point.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Steam can do no wrong, Didn't you hear.
Given it's Capcom wouldn't it make sense to be multiplatform?
Is it wrong that I'm a bit more excited to hear news on this from E3 than either of the new gen consoles?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Oh I understand. But at this point ...
That would suck if true. I did want to own a console this gen, and unfortunately the Wii U doesn't count.
What I'd like to know, is that if publishers are now making money from used games - will they stop fucking us over with bullshit dlc? you know the type I'm talking about.
Somehow I doubt it.
What I'd like to know, is that if publishers are now making money from used games - will they stop fucking us over with bullshit dlc? you know the type I'm talking about.
Somehow I doubt it.
In this case yes, because MS went first, by the time Sony announce their plans everyone will have gotten over the shock and be "oh no, not them too"
famousmortimer
Banned
It absolutely does. Whenever i've been told about shitty things possibly happening both of the people I know at sony, who are hardcore gamers just like us, both say "make a big stink about this to yoshida (@yosp) on twitter.
I mean these guys are human, you can't keep hearing negative things and think that it's a good idea. Like I said before, I don't know anyone inside MS but basic human nature tells me that they are not happy about the reaction and will change their positions accordingly.
This week was a PR nightmare for MS. There's no two ways about it. That doesn't mean they already lost next gen. It doesn't mean that third parties are jumping ship. It's nothing crazy like fanboy delusions. But a bad PR week for any company makes that company sit down and ask themselves "How can we turn this around?" If MS or Sony think that pissing off a lot of people will cost them more money than whatever unpopular thing they want to implement would make... they will 86 that shit. It's all about dollars.
Sony also is in a tactically advantageous position right now where they aren't talking about it and they won't talk about it until they have to. And this is only amplified by the fact that they go second at E3.
I do want to warn that these decisions do flipflop (as evidenced by what i posted earlier this week vs now). I'm not 100% on this. The people I know aren't 100% on this. Some suit can come in and fuck the entire thing up. So I wouldn't go running around screaming "HAHA SONY ISN'T DOING IT!" I just wanted people to know that as of now Sony has flipped their position in response to the shitstorm microsoft got hit with.
So don't let the "just be quiet until E3" people sway you. If you don't like something, say something. Twitter is amazing for being able to talk to people in these corporations. YOSP will even respond if it's about something he can talk about (he is currently not responding to ANY questions about Used game... but you can bet your ass he is reading them).
Be respectful and tell them how you feel. I would assume this is true of MS also. And it actually works. They want our money and if they start to get scared that they won't they WILL change things.
The curse of forums sadly.
I MUST HAVE AN OPINION ON THE TITLE AND A BRIEF GLANCE AT THE OP, THE REST OF THIS WAFFLE IS PROBABLY NOT RELEVANT. RAAAAGE
sublimit
Banned
Yeah Keighley didn't even mentioned the word "sources".Thread title was inaccurate.
Magic Mushroom
Member
That and Keighley's comment is pretty vague in the first place.
Puppet Shadow
Member
Haha, nice!
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