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Geoff Keighley: PS4 Used Game DRM (EDIT: but now apparently on hold)
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SneakyStephan
Banned
Why can't these weasels just come out and say it isn't, the fact that they are obviously considering it (else they'd go hur look at those anti consumer microsofts, we would never do that we love you guys) is enough to not make me want to support them.
They aren't benign, they would fuck us if they could, the intent is fully there.
When some perv tries to lure your child but backs off because he notices people watching , would you let him babysit anyway?
Same thing if you find out your local garage tried to once over you on car repairs, why the fuck would you ever go there again.
Portugeezer
Member
His source is NeoGaf
'So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?', ZOMG doesn't say they won't have a fee!!!'
'So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?', ZOMG doesn't say they won't have a fee!!!'
If they were set up to do it, they aren't going to back off it unless it was somewhat different in that there was just a code in all new copies like EA has been doing and there is a mandatory "buy this code for $X" if you wanted to play the game and didn't have a code. No "bits"/full game install whenever you put a disc in and you would need the ps4 disc in the system to play the game. Then they could just leave it up to publishers like this gen as to whether they want to use the code at all or decide how much to charge for you to get a used game code when you put the disc in the system.
If they were going the MS route with mandatory automatic installs and you not needing the disc all the time then they are still doing that (Assuming this is what MS is doing, because I'm still confused about that I think).
If they were going the MS route with mandatory automatic installs and you not needing the disc all the time then they are still doing that (Assuming this is what MS is doing, because I'm still confused about that I think).
Didnt you hear?, Sony is the second coming and the saviour of this industry.
The fact this thread ballooned like it did is proof enough: PS4 was being paraded as hopefully being more consumer friendly, but if that fell through many would just go to Wii U, PC, and various handheld devices. The ones sticking behind would probably sound a lot like the Xbox fans that are disregarding the DRM angle (except instead of the power of the clouds it'd be the more grounded angle of a stronger system period.)
BoboBrazil
Member
Doubt Sony would do something like this other than online pass type stuff. They've always been pretty consumer friendly. MS however I'm sure will continue on with their plans, seeing as how they didn't budge to complaints over the start menu in 8 before it came out. They think there will be enough additional money to be made despite the backlash.
maabus1999
Member
With the amount of proprietary stuff Sony has created over the past decades, no they aren't that consumer friendly. Sony and Apple basically follow the same creed: make the consumer buy as much from you and not another guy as possible. Not a bad business plan as long as you stay on the top. If not, bites you in the arse...
grosvenor_92
Member
Did all the stuff surrounding the xbox one make them put it on hold or did they realize having such a thing could backfire on them ?
charlequin
Banned
Given that the actual quote is still Geoff suggesting he has sources reporting that Sony would implement such a system, and that famousmortimer is confirming they were going to but backed down, I don't really see the point in your anger here. Updating the OP with what famousmortimer had to say was more important and his posts are in there.
And basically what this means is don't listen to the people telling you to be quiet and wait for E3. Raise your voices, let them be heard. If things get quiet in regards to this issue who knows whether they'll decide to change it back thinking "see, it was just a kneejerk reaction, they'll go with anything after they've had a little time to calm down"
Silverthorn
Member
They are not stupid...but their history has shown they are very arrogant...so don't be surprised if they keep plowing ahead with what they have planned.
Killing_Joke
Member
That 3min shit was legit? Holy crap. MS would have been slaughtered. Now i wish Orth never opened his mouth. There's no possible way to spin out of that.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Used games can play on Xbox One. You know, if you just stick to language.
Impeccable
Member
This kind of thing is really dumb, grating and does little enhance the conversation positively. We all hate DRM, Sony is showing some wavering and we need to capitalize. I have a feeling if Microsoft was willing to budge they'd be in the same situation.
The main fight is against this DRM, not the TV stuff, not Kinect.
Puppet Shadow
Member
Ya, it's as though Geoff (who lets be honest, talks to hell of a lot of people in the industry which qualifies him as an 'insider' more than most) needed to say the words 'my sources' instead of 'I've heard'. If you don't think that means are the same thing, then I don't know what to tell you.
This right here. Blow them up on twitter/social media and tell em to fuck off with even considering this in the first place.
Knux-Future
Banned
we are all fucked.
Deserves a new thread, stickied at the top of the forum.
EdibleExplosives
Member
Thanks famousmortimer for giving me some hope. I'll be so disappointed if Sony go the same way as MS.
BruiserBear
Banned
I fully expect Sony to do something similar to Microsoft regarding used games. Publishers are likely involved with this decision, so it's hard to imagine it being that different for the two consoles.
The big problem for me though is the online DRM checks. I don't believe Sony will do that, and that is what really matters to me.
The big problem for me though is the online DRM checks. I don't believe Sony will do that, and that is what really matters to me.
H_Prestige
Banned
You have no idea what type of DRM Sony has in place that they are going back and forth on.
MS' system is quite complicated and involves retail partnerships. Not something they can just flip off like a switch.
charlequin
Banned
Yep. Again, a purchase from me is pretty much locked in if Sony sticks to their decision this week.
Gimme a break. The existence or lack thereof of such a system is much more relevant than the details, and I am quite certain there would be plenty of time for Microsoft to roll theirs back starting today if they wanted to (PR concerns aside.)
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Nothing1016
Member
Did my part and tweeted at him. This will be the gamers rallying cry. No used games DRM.
They would've just addressed it within the last week and it'd completely blow up.
I also think if they seriously want to go with heavily online dependent setups we are STILL not ready for it, there's a possibility we may not ever even be truly ready, just close enough to have stuff like MMOs. Diablo III's launch was a mess, SimCity doubly so, and they think they can run entire fucking platforms similarly? I can't see it actually working, and if they stop to seriously analyze the value of the DRM I do wonder if they'll see how badly that went and realize that too.
Impeccable
Member
You're one of the most committed trolls I've ever come across in all my forum experience. Congratulations.
Rebel Leader
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On hold is better than nothing
Used games will not affect me (since I have a job now)
But to my nefu who only gets used games for his birthday and christmas, this would be detrimental(wrong word to use?) on some level.
Used games will not affect me (since I have a job now)
But to my nefu who only gets used games for his birthday and christmas, this would be detrimental(wrong word to use?) on some level.
Aliquidmeri
Member
Ubisoft is giving the Wiiu a pass. Aren't all their big titles being released on the Wiiu this year?
Someone needs to make a thread on GAF and do this. Get us at least united on this effort. I would make the thread, but I don't think I'm able to at this time.
captainraincoat
Banned
Ms wont drop the drm as there is too much money to be made and im sure the ea deal is tied in with their agreement. ...that been said it would put sony in an awkward position from a Buisiness point of view..do they drop the drm and do what consumers want or lose out in some agreements and some vital funds.....looking at sonys bank balance I know which one they will go with.
The real question now though is does MS come out and publishers stick to their guns or back down.
Keep it up everyone! Woo!
That's fantastic! The more, the better!
As I suspecteed, the option was certainly on the table to lock out the used games market entirely because MS is doing it. Certainly gives them more power to do so, but the hope that they won't is great. Decisions being flip flopped in a week are kinda weird though, especially after the initial criticism when the rumours first started swirling. Even if they have it, PS4 has so much more going for it compared to the Xbox One I think the reaction would be significantly dampened because people are already firmly on the Sony train for all the other pro-consumer stuff it has going for it.
H_Prestige
Banned
MS' entire console is built around this feature.
So either Sony will be everyone's white knight or will they join on the "fun" with MS?
I wouldn't be surprised if they themselves still don't know what direction to take it especially after the backlash from MS so far. I don't think YOSP has anything to really say or react about.
I wouldn't be surprised if they themselves still don't know what direction to take it especially after the backlash from MS so far. I don't think YOSP has anything to really say or react about.
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