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Geoff Keighley: PS4 Used Game DRM (EDIT: but now apparently on hold)

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bigboss370

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Dave Meltzer said:
https://twitter.com/DaveMeltzerGAF/status/338793167958728705

Done my part :)
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dab0ne

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BlastProcessing said:
I wonder if they could change course at this point? Maybe a hybrid system where you need to be online to play a game without a disk in the tray, but if the disk is there it works regardless of connection?

It would be amazing if both of these companies changed course due to consumer sentiment.
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Sure they could. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. They say "Hey, we heard you loud and clear so we're not doing the online DRM thing anymore". We forgive them and that's that. They get a chance to show how humble they can be and we get to let our little cousins have the games we're done with.
 
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george01

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Easy_D said:
I think you misinterpret what the "industry" is. Gamers are the industry, protecting the industry is protecting the gamers from anti-consumer bullshit like this. Publishers want to force people to buy their games, instead of seeing the real problem (How much games cost to make and how much they cost for consumers to purchase).

The real problem isn't used games, the real problem is WHY people buy used games.
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agrees.
 
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H_Prestige

Banned
charlequin said:
It is literally as easy as just making the license transfer free. Nothing technical is standing in the way of MS doing the right thing here.
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You would still have to deal with approved used games dealers and no private sales between individuals. Otherwise the system is open to BS like someone selling a game but "forgetting" to deactivate the license.

It's still very much an anti-used games systems, the fee payed to MS in order to activate a used game was just salt in the wound.

The big difference here is that publishers (as a whole) actually care way less about region-locking than preventing used sales.
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Not talking about region locking. Talking about DRM/server side checks any publisher can put in their ps3, 360, and wiiU games that would prevent second hand sales. They have the option to do it on those systems, yet they don't. So I'm not scared if the option is there for ps4 since it would be no different than what we currently have.

What's worrisome is if Sony makes it a system wide "feature" like MS. I'm confident they won't given all the backlash and how they would throwing away their business in Japan and Europe.
 
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enzo_gt

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Dunlop said:
Such as? They have tap danced around their online plans (i.e charging for MP)

I hope they don't go that route, but doubt they have a choice if publishers force them to
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Namely the stuff they've done for updating, patching, and for indies and self-publishing.

But yeah Sony is saying all the right words and keeping the important stuff at a minimum like how they're handling their services. Smart of them, because they can be reactionary to MS who essentially went balls out and is backpeddling.
 
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dragonelite

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Metalmurphy said:
How did Sony flip its position in response to this week when they had already stated that they weren't going to do it and it was up to other publishers if they wanted to do it themselves? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

What exactly changed on Sony's part? They are now actively blocking third parties from doing it? Seems unlikely.
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Having such a system in place means they already gave in to pubs demand. Not like ea and others will not abuse the system.
 
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Dave Meltzer

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Easy_D said:
I think you misinterpret what the "industry" is. Gamers are the industry, protecting the industry is protecting the gamers from anti-consumer bullshit like this. Publishers want to force people to buy their games, instead of seeing the real problem (How much games cost to make and how much they cost for consumers to purchase).

The real problem isn't used games, the real problem is WHY people buy used games.
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The reason people buy used games is cos Gamestop buy them from people and then sell them at a mark up but under RRP.

Why wouldn't people buy used games when they have the option of doing so and are actively encouraged to by one of the number one retailers of vidya in the Americas?
 
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Man-is-Obsolete

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Ask again for new page, seriously curious. Thread is blazing though lol.

Man-is-Obsolete said:
They would have to make it so you can deactivate a game from your account yourself, so it is not as easy as making it free license fee as you say. I have asked in other threads, but is Microsoft humble enough to change their stance, and what if their partnerships hinge on DRM? What if those exclusive EA deals are because of the system Microsoft implemented?
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test_account

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About the "publishers wont allow one system to not "block" used games", cant Sony easily have the upper hand here? I mean, lets say that Sony wont include such system, how realistic is it that the publishers wont release the games on PS4? I cant really see they drop the whole system because of that. It seems too risky.
 
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DBT85

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chubigans said:
Who else is there to tweet at? I doubt @Playstation would help any.
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People that Yosp follows so much be legit

Scott Rohde ‏ @RohdeScott
PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America. Sports allegiances: Niners, Warriors, Padres. I know - odd mix.

Dave Thach ‏ @davethach
SCEA International Software Development head

Asad Qizilbash ‏ @aqizil
Senior Director, Brand Marketing First Party Games. PlayStation USA

Eric Matthews ‏ @EricM500
VP, Sony Worldwide Studios Europe

Dan Bardino ‏ @DanBardino
Snr. Manager, Creative Services Group, Sony WorldWide Studios

GradyHunt ‏ @GradyHunt
I am a Sr. Director of Product Development Sony WWS.

Guy Longworth ‏ @LuckyLongworth
Luckiest man in the world. Great family. Terrific friends. New gig as SVP PlayStation Brand Marketing Life is being kind to me right now!
 
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Glorified G

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Whatever Sony's decision is has already been made. Receiving a few hundred tweets is not going to have any effect one way or another.

And this decision is way to draconian to be flip flopped from week to week.
 
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Boke1879

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famousmortimer said:
Here's the entire list of sony folks I know of that either are in on the decisions or have the ears of people who are in on the decisions that are on twitter.


My biggest piece of advice is be respectful. They aren't likely to finish a tweet in all caps threatening them.

Shuhei Yoshida (president of worldwide studios) @yosp (easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)

John Koller (head of hardware marketing) @jpkoller (dude has like 150 followers - heh)

Guy Longworth (senior vice president PlayStation Brand Marketing) @luckylongworth

Scott Rohde (PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America) @rohdescott



Also couldn't hurt to let the ex-journos that work there like @nsuttner and @shanewatch
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Hey bro do you think you can make a thread with all of this info and a link to this thread for people to tweet these guys? Thanks
 
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ffdgh

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I do hope they reconsider, they're in a good place right now yet at the same time can't afford to screw up.
 
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H_Prestige

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test_account said:
About the "publishers wont allow one system to not "block" used games", cant Sony easily have the upper hand here? I mean, lets say that Sony wont include such system, how realistic is it that the publishers wont release the games on PS4? I cant really see they drop the whole system because of that. It seems too risky.
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I think they would. I don't think these publishers have as much leverage as people think. I think Xbone is the way it is because MS wanted to fuck over the used market just as much as EA. They weren't bullied into it.

Whatever Sony's decision is has already been made. Receiving a few hundred tweets is not going to have any effect one way or another.

And this decision is way to draconian to be flip flopped from week to week.
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Read the thread. Decision isn't final, and Sony is wavering exactly because of the shitstorm happening online. Better to keep bombarding the message to them.
 
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sTeLioSco

Banned
Shinta said:
If they have changed their minds, and I think it's safe to say they're thinking about it, the message is 1000% clear.

Don't ever let anyone tell you to not complain about eroding consumer rights. Don't ever let anyone tell you to wait until E3 before making a final judgment.

BE VOCAL NOW! It clearly works much better than being silent.
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AGREE
 
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Sean*O

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Dave Meltzer said:
The reason people buy used games is cos Gamestop buy them from people and then sell them at a mark up but under RRP.

Why wouldn't people buy used games when they have the option of doing so and are actively encouraged to by one of the number one retailers of vidya in the Americas?
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Sharp as a sphere.
 
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Godslay

Banned
famousmortimer said:
Here's the entire list of sony folks I know of that either are in on the decisions or have the ears of people who are in on the decisions that are on twitter.


My biggest piece of advice is be respectful. They aren't likely to finish a tweet in all caps threatening them.

Shuhei Yoshida (president of worldwide studios) @yosp (easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)

John Koller (head of hardware marketing) @jpkoller (dude has like 150 followers - heh)

Guy Longworth (senior vice president PlayStation Brand Marketing) @luckylongworth

Scott Rohde (PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America) @rohdescott



Also couldn't hurt to let the ex-journos that work there like @nsuttner and @shanewatch
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Did anyone ever make a list like this for MS?
 
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x-Lundz-x

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I fund almost half of my new game purchases with trading in my old games. The only used games I purchased this gen were very old games you can't even find new anymore. I easily purchased over 100 New games for my consoles the week they were released. You want to limit my purchasing power, then limit the value of my old games. That limits the money you make from me. I am the person who is there on day one to buy your new console. Sony, if you would like the majority of my business this gen, do the right thing. If you follow suit with MS, then neither of you is getting my business for while.
 
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Elios83

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Sony has already hinted that they'll leave the decision to the publishers.
So of course they have DRM plans in place for those publishers.
That doesn't mean that anti consumers measures will be implemented at a system level or that the system is being built around these.
But if EA or someone else asks for offline passes for their games, they'll get them.
Sony can't afford not to care about their partners needs. They can still leave the system open to used games for those who don't wish to follow suit. That's the best compromise we're gonna get, Sony can't be some sort of 'happiness island' alone in the ocean, they need to stay connected to the rest of the world.
 
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Metalmurphy

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dragonelite said:
Having such a system in place means they already gave in to pubs demand. Not like ea and others will not abuse the system.
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What system? What makes you think they have one? All they said so far implied they don't have it. 3rd parties works have to code their own block if they wanted.
 
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Evolution_1ne

Banned
Metalmurphy said:
How did Sony flip its position in response to this week when they had already stated that they weren't going to do it and it was up to other publishers if they wanted to do it themselves? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

What exactly changed on Sony's part? They are now actively blocking third parties from doing it? Seems unlikely.



How are they even going to do it if the console works with out an internet connection.
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shhh shhhhh shhhhhh, it's the fanboys piece of mind, they need this, don't take it away from them
you just don't even know man *winks*

that's right guys, it was confirmed Sony was totally doing this they are the anti consumer fat cats who don't give a shit about the errr consumer....

they are just as dumb as MS, anyone who believes other wise is delusional etc etc...
 
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PopcornMegaphone

Banned
famousmortimer said:
Here's the entire list of sony folks I know of that either are in on the decisions or have the ears of people who are in on the decisions that are on twitter.


My biggest piece of advice is be respectful. They aren't likely to finish a tweet in all caps threatening them.

Shuhei Yoshida (president of worldwide studios) @yosp (easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)

John Koller (head of hardware marketing) @jpkoller (dude has like 150 followers - heh)

Guy Longworth (senior vice president PlayStation Brand Marketing) @luckylongworth

Scott Rohde (PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America) @rohdescott



Also couldn't hurt to let the ex-journos that work there like @nsuttner and @shanewatch
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I updated the OP with this!

Thanks for the updates, famousmortimer!
 
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Biker19

Banned
test_account said:
About the "publishers wont allow one system to not "block" used games", cant Sony easily have the upper hand here? I mean, lets say that Sony wont include such system, how realistic is it that the publishers won't release the games on PS4? I cant really see they drop the whole system because of that. It seems too risky.
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Like I said from another thread here, it'll be financially suicide for them to ignore PS4.
 
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Eusis

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Darkgran said:
PS4 is blocking used games. There is No way in hell that the Xbox One is going to be the only console doing this.
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It is possible that was the original plan and logic, but online backlash has both of them seriously re-evaluating how worthwhile it is to go with it. And thus a possible last minute rift that wrecks hell on publishers and their expectations.
 
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jacksepticeye

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Anyone who thought there wouldn't be any of that on the PS4 is an idiot or in total denial. There is no way only MS were going to do it. Sony just didn't come outright and say it like MS did.

It's funny though cos Sony won't get half the bad press MS got about it. I don't think it will be as harsh as MS' version though
 
UberTag

UberTag

Member
The funny thing about this is that if Microsoft leads Sony off a cliff and escalates a console gaming industry crash, Sony is the company that literally cannot afford to take the hit. Whereas Microsoft can absorb it.
 
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twisteddeeds

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This might sound crazy, but i had to google how to tweet.. god i feel old lol

But I stuck with it... tweeted and I'll do it again (if needed)
 
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