I wonder if they could change course at this point? Maybe a hybrid system where you need to be online to play a game without a disk in the tray, but if the disk is there it works regardless of connection?
It would be amazing if both of these companies changed course due to consumer sentiment.
I think you misinterpret what the "industry" is. Gamers are the industry, protecting the industry is protecting the gamers from anti-consumer bullshit like this. Publishers want to force people to buy their games, instead of seeing the real problem (How much games cost to make and how much they cost for consumers to purchase).
The real problem isn't used games, the real problem is WHY people buy used games.
It is literally as easy as just making the license transfer free. Nothing technical is standing in the way of MS doing the right thing here.
The big difference here is that publishers (as a whole) actually care way less about region-locking than preventing used sales.
What a mess of a thread. Twisted info initially in OP, back and forth insider claims, and console warrior crap everywhere.
Namely the stuff they've done for updating, patching, and for indies and self-publishing.Such as? They have tap danced around their online plans (i.e charging for MP)
I hope they don't go that route, but doubt they have a choice if publishers force them to
How did Sony flip its position in response to this week when they had already stated that they weren't going to do it and it was up to other publishers if they wanted to do it themselves? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
What exactly changed on Sony's part? They are now actively blocking third parties from doing it? Seems unlikely.
Lol. This.and they'll catch 1/100th the flack as microsoft as usual.
I think you misinterpret what the "industry" is. Gamers are the industry, protecting the industry is protecting the gamers from anti-consumer bullshit like this. Publishers want to force people to buy their games, instead of seeing the real problem (How much games cost to make and how much they cost for consumers to purchase).
The real problem isn't used games, the real problem is WHY people buy used games.
This means one way or another it will have some kind of DRM. Major publishers will just do what they do on xbox. 95% of games will be locked.
Now apparently on hold? But isn't this a rumor? Did I miss something?
They would have to make it so you can deactivate a game from your account yourself, so it is not as easy as making it free license fee as you say. I have asked in other threads, but is Microsoft humble enough to change their stance, and what if their partnerships hinge on DRM? What if those exclusive EA deals are because of the system Microsoft implemented?
Who else is there to tweet at? I doubt @Playstation would help any.
Do you guys really think Sony can get away not having the same used game system MS is having?, seriously third parties wont allow it, they really dont have a choice.
Here's the entire list of sony folks I know of that either are in on the decisions or have the ears of people who are in on the decisions that are on twitter.
My biggest piece of advice is be respectful. They aren't likely to finish a tweet in all caps threatening them.
Shuhei Yoshida (president of worldwide studios) @yosp (easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)
John Koller (head of hardware marketing) @jpkoller (dude has like 150 followers - heh)
Guy Longworth (senior vice president PlayStation Brand Marketing) @luckylongworth
Scott Rohde (PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America) @rohdescott
Also couldn't hurt to let the ex-journos that work there like @nsuttner and @shanewatch
Someone should do a thread, could I make a thread?
Or maybe that would be too silly, I won't do it if mods don't think it's a good idea.
Whatever Sony's decision is has already been made. Receiving a few hundred tweets is not going to have any effect one way or another.
And this decision is way to draconian to be flip flopped from week to week.
and they'll catch 1/100th the flack as microsoft as usual.
I really doubt that. Why would people complain less about this DRM system because it is on PS4?Lol. This.
About the "publishers wont allow one system to not "block" used games", cant Sony easily have the upper hand here? I mean, lets say that Sony wont include such system, how realistic is it that the publishers wont release the games on PS4? I cant really see they drop the whole system because of that. It seems too risky.
Whatever Sony's decision is has already been made. Receiving a few hundred tweets is not going to have any effect one way or another.
And this decision is way to draconian to be flip flopped from week to week.
If they have changed their minds, and I think it's safe to say they're thinking about it, the message is 1000% clear.
Don't ever let anyone tell you to not complain about eroding consumer rights. Don't ever let anyone tell you to wait until E3 before making a final judgment.
BE VOCAL NOW! It clearly works much better than being silent.
I really doubt that. Why would people complain less about this DRM system because it is on PS4?
The reason people buy used games is cos Gamestop buy them from people and then sell them at a mark up but under RRP.
Why wouldn't people buy used games when they have the option of doing so and are actively encouraged to by one of the number one retailers of vidya in the Americas?
Here's the entire list of sony folks I know of that either are in on the decisions or have the ears of people who are in on the decisions that are on twitter.
My biggest piece of advice is be respectful. They aren't likely to finish a tweet in all caps threatening them.
Shuhei Yoshida (president of worldwide studios) @yosp (easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)
John Koller (head of hardware marketing) @jpkoller (dude has like 150 followers - heh)
Guy Longworth (senior vice president PlayStation Brand Marketing) @luckylongworth
Scott Rohde (PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America) @rohdescott
Also couldn't hurt to let the ex-journos that work there like @nsuttner and @shanewatch
I really doubt that. Why would people complain less about this DRM system because it is on PS4?
Did anyone ever make a list like this for MS?
and they'll catch 1/100th the flack as microsoft as usual.
Having such a system in place means they already gave in to pubs demand. Not like ea and others will not abuse the system.
How did Sony flip its position in response to this week when they had already stated that they weren't going to do it and it was up to other publishers if they wanted to do it themselves? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
What exactly changed on Sony's part? They are now actively blocking third parties from doing it? Seems unlikely.
How are they even going to do it if the console works with out an internet connection.
Here's the entire list of sony folks I know of that either are in on the decisions or have the ears of people who are in on the decisions that are on twitter.
My biggest piece of advice is be respectful. They aren't likely to finish a tweet in all caps threatening them.
Shuhei Yoshida (president of worldwide studios) @yosp (easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)
John Koller (head of hardware marketing) @jpkoller (dude has like 150 followers - heh)
Guy Longworth (senior vice president PlayStation Brand Marketing) @luckylongworth
Scott Rohde (PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America) @rohdescott
Also couldn't hurt to let the ex-journos that work there like @nsuttner and @shanewatch
About the "publishers wont allow one system to not "block" used games", cant Sony easily have the upper hand here? I mean, lets say that Sony wont include such system, how realistic is it that the publishers won't release the games on PS4? I cant really see they drop the whole system because of that. It seems too risky.
It is possible that was the original plan and logic, but online backlash has both of them seriously re-evaluating how worthwhile it is to go with it. And thus a possible last minute rift that wrecks hell on publishers and their expectations.PS4 is blocking used games. There is No way in hell that the Xbox One is going to be the only console doing this.
This + the rest of your posts in this thread .. so much salt.
I really doubt that. Why would people complain less about this DRM system because it is on PS4?
MS staff won't reply on Twitter or they'll get fired.