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[Cartman86]

Ask again for new page, seriously curious. Thread is blazing though lol.

Don't know why they don't just do that. When you decide to sell a physical disc you go through the same process you would do if it was digital. Go to your console and mark your game as "selling" at which point it will become deactivated on your console and account. It will connect to the internet to confirm this. Then you take the disc to gamestop and they buy it from you and check if the game has been deactivated on your account. If it has then they will buy it, if not they will ask you to go deactivate it. Considering that the console has to connect to the internet to install and activate a game anyways I see no problem with continuing this process for removing a game.

 

[BlackJace]

Spoiler

shhh shhhhh shhhhhh, it's the fanboys piece of mind, they need this, don't take it away from them

you just don't even know man *winks*

that's right guys, it was confirmed Sony was totally doing this they are the anti consumer fat cats who don't give a shit about the errr consumer....

they are just as dumb as MS, anyone who believes other wise is delusional etc etc...

You're going to look mighty silly if this decision does indeed end up happening.

 

[DBT85]

There are a lot of companies that actually do like the product they make and do want to make something good.
Believe it or not, not everyone works just for the paycheck and to get out of their shithole job so they can spend their monies, some enjoy what they do.

But yes, megacorporations are lead by cynics who generally only care about their bottom line, you are very right about that.
I guess i'm just old enough to remember independant grocery stores, bakeries, butchers, farms with people who took pride in their work.

Our best tv channel here is a non profit government ran one with no commercials.

I don't need console gaming, I'll be fine with not supporting it, I don't need to do it anyway and then rationalise why.

UK GAF? Brother, we are united.

Every company likes the product they make, but they all want to squeeze you for every penny they can get. As I said, they all think of things that will never fly with the consumer, or things that are risky. Some try, some fail, some bottle it.

About the "publishers wont allow one system to not "block" used games", cant Sony easily have the upper hand here? I mean, lets say that Sony wont include such system, how realistic is it that the publishers wont release the games on PS4? I cant really see they drop the whole system because of that. It seems too risky.

If Sony said "there will be no online passes or DRM of any kind" everyone would still put games on the platform.

The ONLY way it would happen would be if EA, Ubisoft, Activision, + others got together and said "no, fuck you, we are going with XYZ box". Otherwise they would stand to lose (as in, not make) far too much money.

 

[Audioboxer]

The funny thing about this is that if Microsoft leads Sony off a cliff and escalates a console gaming industry crash, Sony is the company that literally cannot afford to take the hit. Whereas Microsoft can absorb it.

The fact we have a 20 page topic based on something unsubstantial says otherwise, but you can continue to view this potential event through rose tinted glasses if the idea somehow lets you feel MS is hard done by.

 

[jacksepticeye]

This might sound crazy, but i had to google how to tweet.. god i feel old lol

I was the same last year the first time I set up my account. Twitter is a weird place with all its hashtags and @ signs. But they have made it easier now compared to what it used to be in the beginning

 

[maltrain]

This is a very easy bet.

SONY will allow publishers to "lock" their games someway... BUT they won't use the system on their own games.

It won't be mandatory and publishers like CD Projekt Red won't use it.

I hope this is true and I hope we, as a gamers, support those publishers that doesn't block used games.

 

[teiresias]

Dave Meltzer is a guy who writes about wrasslin, guys.

He also happened to be someone with the same name that, at some point, was a product manager for Microsoft.

 

[Eusis]

The funny thing about this is that if Microsoft leads Sony off a cliff and escalates a console gaming industry crash, Sony is the company that literally cannot afford to take the hit. Whereas Microsoft can absorb it.

Well, I guess that'd be them accomplishing their original goals... in the worst damn way possible. But then Nintendo's still around, would be morbidly funny if the Wii U's slow start ended up being a moot point as Sony and Microsoft implode and Nintendo picks ups the scraps by default.

 

[Loudninja]

This + the rest of your posts in this thread .. so much salt.

I am not sure what is this guys problem really.

 

[Respawn]

Man I tell ya sometimes you say to yourself maybe I've reach that twilight of gaming where I should just wrap it up...but it's a love and a hobby that you enjoy. You just keep telling yourself you'll do the right thing and it's not an addiction of sort.

 

[Replicant]

Fun fact: Did you know in 1996 Dave Meltzer was Microsoft Corp.'s group product manager?

Ah, the fun facts are starting to come out now.

 

[Loris146]

So no used game on PS4?

 

[Dai101]

The funny thing about this is that if Microsoft leads Sony off a cliff and escalates a console gaming industry crash, Sony is the company that literally cannot afford to take the hit. Whereas Microsoft can absorb it.

 

[Minions]

This is a very easy bet.

SONY will allow publishers to "lock" their games someway... BUT they won't use the system on their own games.

It won't be mandatory and publishers like CD Projekt Red won't use it.

I hope this is true and I hope we, as a gamers, support those publishers that doesn't block used games.

This is the correct compromise. This means I can avoid the anti-consumer publishers and purchase games that are not anti-consumer.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

I have some choice words for you but I shouldnt say them because I will be banned...the temptation is strong though.

You originally bolded four words spelling out "WTBT". I don't know what that acronym means please explain. I'm assuming it's something really mean because you removed it.

 

[Gorillaz]

The funny thing about this is that if Microsoft leads Sony off a cliff and escalates a console gaming industry crash, Sony is the company that literally cannot afford to take the hit. Whereas Microsoft can absorb it.

I wondered about that for awhile. MS already talks down there Entertainment and games division basically saying how it's been absorbing money through the past decade. If it happens I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't give a shit and just kept going like it was nothing.


So the end result would kind of be what MS wanted back in 2000. To slow down Sony.


Dat Conspiracy Theory

 

[baekshi]

Did anyone ever make a list like this for MS?

If they had someone that will listen..

 

[DieH@rd]

Public dissatisfaction is always the best way of protecting consumer rights. Be vocal, share your wishes, and pray for reason to prevail.

Go... live... make love in public.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Looks like im going Wii u and pc only next gen. :/

 

[Donthizz#]

Didn't Shuhei say after the Sony press conf that they wont block used games?

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Consumer activism is never silly.

EDIT:
nvm, already done...
yay!

 

[Darkmakaimura]

https://twitter.com/DaveMeltzerGAF/status/338793167958728705

Done my part

 

[artist]

He also happened to be someone with the same name that, at some point, was a product manager for Microsoft.

I am not sure what is this guys problem really.

Rough week.

 

[DBT85]

I updated the OP with this!

Thanks for the updates, famousmortimer!

More in my post

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59471233&postcount=917

 

[SolarPowered]

Sony would be smart to reconsider this DRM if they have still got time. Xbox One is not even an option on the table for some people at this point. I know everyone but Nintendo and the PC are dead to me if they go down this route.

 

[jacobs34]

I think it's important to note that having a calm, rational discussion about DRM, and informing others about how it could effect their user experience is far different than accusing companies of doing things that have not been confirmed, and telling others to not buy a product based on false or incomplete information.

I think there has been plenty of great conversation on this forum over the past couple of days, but there has been way too much name calling, toxic conversation as well.... and yes I know ThisIsNeogaf and all that.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Article from 1996:

Microsoft Macintosh group products manager Dave Meltzer. (on lack of support for OpenDoc) (News Briefs)

That's got to be the biggest coincidence ever.

Surely.

 

[ascii42]

Didn't Shuhei say after the Sony press conf that they wont block used games?

Yes, but adding headache and potential fees is not the same as blocking.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

The reason people buy used games is cos Gamestop buy them from people and then sell them at a mark up but under RRP.

The reason people buy used games is because new ones are expensive, often risky purchases. Gamestop, regardless of what one might think of them, is simply providing a service that fills a particular consumer demand.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I wondered about that for awhile. MS already talks down there Entertainment and games division basically saying how it's been absorbing money through the past decade. If it happens I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't give a shit and just kept going like it was nothing.

 

[Godslay]

If they had someone that will listen..

Maybe, but just like someone's admission on the other page, it doesn't hurt to try.

 

[Acorn]

Ah, the fun facts are starting to come out now.

Wrong one. Hes a wrestling writer.

 

[Silent_Ocarina]

Didn't Shuhei say after the Sony press conf that they wont block used games?

He said that used games can be played. Strictly speaking, Xbox One can as well.

Great job with the Twitter protest, guys. If only there had been a movement for Microsoft. It seems to me that Sony isn't as deeply invested in this. I can see it being optional.

 

[Kacho]

If Sony follows suit it'll be a dark day for our hobby. i hold out hope that they won't.

 

[Ark]

The funny thing about this is that if Microsoft leads Sony off a cliff and escalates a console gaming industry crash, Sony is the company that literally cannot afford to take the hit. Whereas Microsoft can absorb it.

Do people on GAF not realise how big Sony is?

 

[Jake Tower]

Here's the entire list of sony folks I know of that either are in on the decisions or have the ears of people who are in on the decisions that are on twitter.


My biggest piece of advice is be respectful. They aren't likely to finish a tweet in all caps threatening them.

Shuhei Yoshida (president of worldwide studios) @yosp (easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)

My message: I will not buy a console that interferes with my First Sale rights under US law in any way.

Also couldn't hurt to let the ex-journos that work there like @nsuttner and @shanewatch

MANGOD help us!

 

[Corto]

Lol. This.

You are delusional if you think if Sony announces some DRM system similar to Microsoft they won't get the same flak as Microsoft is getting now. I will go as far as to say that it will be worse. Remember the booing on Vita E3 reveal when Kaz Hirai announced AT&T to be the 3G exclusive partner for the Vita? They won't have enough canned applauses to muffle that.

 

[Hot Coldman]

...Even if they've changed their minds now, the thought that Sony were once going down the same dark road as Microsoft makes me wary about the generation after this next one. If there is one, anyway.

But I'm happy for now.

 

[Evolution_1ne]

You're going to look mighty silly if this decision does indeed end up happening.

I'll eat my own hat

 

[twisteddeeds]

The reason people buy used games is because new ones are expensive, often risky purchases. Gamestop, regardless of what one might think of them, is simply providing a service that fills a particular consumer demand.

Exactly

 

[ciridesu]

Do people on GAF not realise how big Sony is?

I know right.

 

[Mr.Wreckless]

This is a very easy bet.

SONY will allow publishers to "lock" their games someway... BUT they won't use the system on their own games.

It won't be mandatory and publishers like CD Projekt Red won't use it.

I hope this is true and I hope we, as a gamers, support those publishers that doesn't block used games.

I support publishers for one reason and one reason only, they release a game I want to play. I'm not going to miss out on a great game because I'm trying to make some point. Whether a publisher blocks a used game or not will not weigh in on my decision to purchase their game one bit.

 

[sublimit]

https://twitter.com/DaveMeltzerGAF/status/338793167958728705

Done my part

 

[BlackJace]

I'll eat my own hat

I expect pictures.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

Do people on GAF not realise how big Sony is?

No, just like the death knells of the industry are so hyperbolic and childish and not remotely rooted in any rational thought or understanding.

 

[test_account]

I think they would. I don't think these publishers have as much leverage as people think. I think Xbone is the way it is because MS wanted to fuck over the used market just as much as EA. They weren't bullied into it.

Yeah, the hardware guys have much power, so i'd think that they could push things through if they want to. However, the hardware guys need the software guys as well, so it is a bit 50/50 senario (games cant excist without hardware/consoles, and the consoles arent much useful without the games).

because we used most of our power agianst MS and the real villain shows up., We are too weak to fight and submit to their will.

Hehe, well, who knows People could have already "used up" their complaints by then, because it would basically be the exact same complaints, just that another company is doing it. But i'd still think there would be a lot of complaints about it regardless.

Because at the minute it's ammo in a console war.

If it's on PS4 and Xbox One it just becomes a thing people will complain about while preordering their system of choice.

I dont think that is the case. It is the DRM system itself that people react to, not because it is on (insert system name here).

 

[Minions]

Do people on GAF not realise how big Sony is?

I think we also know how they have been losing money YoY.... and a huge hit to the gaming division will mean lots of layoffs... among other things. Not to mention how bad the Vita has been doing.

 

[2MF]

Do people on GAF not realise how big Sony is?

When it comes to going bankrupt, it's definitely not about the size. Companies of all sizes can and do go bankrupt.

I'm not saying Sony would go bankrupt from a gaming crash, but it would definitely hurt them much more than it would hurt MS.

 

[UberTag]

Do people on GAF not realise how big Sony is?

Sony is big and generating most of their revenue today from their insurance business.
That doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is better equipped financially to absorb a collapse of their gaming business than Sony is.

 

[Acorn]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Meltzer

That's dave meltzer if you've ever been a wrestling smark you know who he is.