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[scitek]

Is crazy buttocks (jeezus) legit?...and not because he talks in code

Read his post history, he's been here for almost 10 years, and a lot of his posts are from the perspective of someone inside the industry.

 

[ElTorro]

How bad are the yields.

Pretty good, actually, if you are talking about bad news yields.

 

[iamshadowlark]

Wait the GPU really is getting downclocked? Omfg

 

[Portugeezer]

So what does downclocked in this sense mean? Does that mean they are going to force the clock speed lower but then could later "upclock" if they get stuff figured out (a la original PSP?); or does it mean they are picking a GPU solution with a lower top clock speed.

Sorry, not super tech savvy on this type of stuff.

Anyways; was already likely going to be going PS4 for multiplat stuff anyway; but if this is true; it will just cinch it (3rd party DLC content be damned)!!

I thought the PSP was originally downclocked in a firmware update because of battery life?

 

[Donnie]

WiiU has 32 MB of eDram right on the GPU, just like the Xbone's 32 MB of eSram. It's the same thing except one is Dram and one is Sram.

You might want to update you knowledge of the Wii U some cause it's woefully out of date.

To be honest its not so much out of date as much as bizarrely incorrect I think he's mixing up the rumour from ages ago that WiiU had 768MB of RAM all embedded on the GPU and for some reason thinking it was kb..

Either way as you say WiiU has 32MB eDRAM + 2MB faster eDRAM + 1MB even faster eSRAM.

 

[Pennywise]

MS will spend its way out of the 3rd gen curse.

Just like Sony did with the PS2 money.
:X

 

[Spongebob]

If, as these rumours suggest, PS4 is now about double the power, PS4 should be able to get pretty close to doing 1080p 30fps when XB1 manages 720p 30fps. Certainly shouldn't be far off.

Fixed...

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

How did MS falter this bad? It's like the polar opposite of the 360 where everything A-tier unfolded.

Except, you know, that whole red ring thing that smells of being rushed oh wait a sec.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Oh yeah, I'd love to watch a movie about this. Everything sounds awfully comedic. Please be true.

 

[Art Teitlebaum]

What a wild ride this thread has been. Thx to all informed sources, this is why NeoGAF is relevant.

 

[demosthenes]

The casuals care about COD. And if the info coming out is accurate MS is throwing boatloads of money at publishers to only show games running on x1 hardware and only at the MS conference. As far as casuals will know the X1 will be the only place to play these games. Hell who knows how much money MS is spending to secure actual 3rd party exclusivity. In those cases the X1 really will be the only way to play those games.

When was the last time Sony showed Call of Duty at a conference. Every game store will have signs for Xbone and PS4 for CoD.

 

[Spongebob]

Digital Foundry articles are going to be interesting next-gen.

 

[P44]

I see that. Thread is blowing up big time.

A CBOAT confirmation changes things I guess.

 

[Divvy]

What a hot mess

 

[Vol5]

look at the Wii

Wii sales were initially driven by the core. It went mainstream / casual a year in.

 

[Alej]

No

Yes

 

[TheJollyCorner]

Wow, what a day. Deux Ex disapointmethathon, Last of Us reviews, LoS on PC, Planetside 2 on PS4... and then... drop of the TRUTHFACT bomb on Xbone development battlefield.

bwahaahah I knew this would be coming eventually.


Amazes me all the legit insiders that chimed in on this in this thread- and quickly.
thuway, proelite, Bruce Leeroy, Matt, The Gopher... they all set it up; crazy buttocks spiked it.
Absolutely insane shit going on today.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Has amirox posted disappointment yet? Can't sift through all this.

 

[Kurtofan]

What is MS going to do? Will journalists know about the Truth or will they sleep blissfully?

 

[Rebel Leader]

A CBOAT confirmation changes things I guess.

you guess? YOU GUESS? NEVER QUESTION CBOAT!

 

[The Hermit]

This is like watching a train crash... With some crazy buttocks on it if you will

 

[Kayhan]

What is MS going to do?

Moneyhats. Moneyhats everywhere.

 

[BruiserBear]

This is quite possibly going to be the best E3 week ever.


E3 week being the week that starts today, and ends next Wednesday.

 

[darkwing]

Wait the GPU really is getting downclocked? Omfg

if they want to increase yields I believe or incur big loses per unit sold

 

[Infinite Justice]

I see CBOAT strikes again.

There should be a list of the stuff CBOAT got right so far in the OP tbh

 

[Protome]

will COD have the same power nextgen? or will casuals begin to tire of it.

We don't know. The first couple of years will be when we learn if CoD is like Fifa and Madden or like Tony Hawk and Guitar Hero.

 

[Wilester]

What are the chances this'll be picked up by the gaming sites?

At the moment it feels we're all in an exclusive club. Which is awesome.

 

[Doran902]

We (Canada) are a very, very small part of North America. We're an afterthought for a company like Microsoft.

They said North America though, if they meant big in the United States of America they should have said that haha.

I get what you mean though we are like, 1/10 the population of the USA.

 

[N-Bomb]

Microsoft will have to lose a TON of money on Xbone to keep it on top this generation. This is not going to repeat the financial success of the 360 at this point.

 

[Biker19]

For the peeps out there asserting that Microsoft might become enough of a market leader for this power discrepancy not to matter, and additionally, whom are making comparisons to the PS2.

Sony was already the market leader when they launched the PS2. Their only real competition in the previous generation was Nintendo, and sadly Nintendo made too many mistakes with the N64 to provide truly healthy competition to the PlayStation brand.

Microsoft, on the other hand, is only in third place globally, with the X-Box 360. The 360 has sold really well in America, but has sold fairly poorly everywhere else. This, despite the head start over the PS3, despite the price advantage over the PS3, and despite Sony's numerous mistakes with the PS3 launch and design.

Microsoft will not have any of those advantages this time, and does not currently have a marketshare that is analogous to the PlayStation 1 and 2. This is on top of the good will Microsoft has wasted these past few years, which has alienated much of the early adopters companies usually rely on to build up an install base early on.

This is not to say, that Microsoft cannot recover, but the situation is definitly not analogous to the PS2 launch. If Microsoft wants to bounce back, they'll have to utterly wow people with their launch line-up, and convince people that their products positives outweigh the negatives of its DRM.

In other words, Microsoft is likely to have a significantly harder time establishing a dominant market share in the United States, which will put them in a very difficult position globally.

Definitely agree. The only region that Microsoft is very successful in, is the U.S., & if they lose that, oh boy...

 

[Killthee]

I miss Allard.

 

[StarCreator]

I thought the PSP was originally downclocked in a firmware update because of battery life?

This is a different issue; PSPs had two clock modes that were accessible at launch and it was up to the software whether or not to enable the faster (battery draining) mode. In this case, MS is facing a situation where they are releasing hardware that is downclocked because it is simply incapable of reaching the higher speed, so software will have no choice but to be able to perform at the lowest common denominator.

 

[Perkel]

A CBOAT confirmation changes things I guess.

Title change is what made that difference. Many sources already confirmed things and cboat just confirmed this with his TRUEFACT ass.

 

[Kurtofan]

Moneyhats. Moneyhats everywhere.

Will some journalists know about the Truth or will they sleep blissfully?Are there no corrupt journalists in this multiverse?

 

[maquiladora]

This pre E3 has been unbelievable.

Konami tomorrow

 

[ALBOFIGHTER]

This sucks pretty bad. I never planned to buy an Xbox, I will fully support the playstation, but it sucks to think how this will affect multiplatforms games. It was already on edge with 1.8 Tf vs 1.2. Now I'm thinking that game design will suffer from it and I don't mean something like lower resolution and effects. This is bad for all gamers no matter the platform of choice. I do not want the Xbox to be this weak even though I have no respect for Microsoft. I look at the bigger picture.

 

[Kayhan]

I think a PS4/PC/smartdevice future is upon us.

 

[Goreomedy]

So.... I can't fix this one by wrapping it in a towel?

 

[flash ban]

For North America, I still think they'll take the lead in initial sales. Most people are just going to be looking for games period and getting things like the NFL hook-up only ensure MS intends to keep the mindshare.

if yields are truly bad even after the downclock, you can't buy what you can't find, and sales WILL reflect availability.

 

[VanWinkle]

This is why it's a very good thing Sony started work into the next-generation all the way back in 2008. It seems like Microsoft is REALLY scrambling here.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

Goddamn, all this bad news...

What the hell happened at MS?
This pre E3 has been unbelievable.

Call it a hunch, but I am guessing the post-E3 isn't exactly going to be a wonderful paradise either.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Digital Foundry articles are going to be interesting next-gen.

Do you honestly believe that MS will stop at paying devs and publishers?

 

[Playsation_]

Goddamn, all this bad news...

What the hell happened at MS?
This pre E3 has been unbelievable.

Out-smarted by Sony, apparently.

 

[BigDug13]

Do you honestly believe that MS will stop at paying devs?

What's that going to do though? Information these days does not just flow from gaming press. I mean look at all the leaks that have been occurring this year about the next gen consoles. Microsoft can throw money around all they want, the truth still finds a way. The internet has too many holes to plug with dollars.

 

[LCfiner]

Damn, that is one hell of a setback. It's absolutely remarkable to me how almost every piece of news or rumour over the xbone is awful. What a streak.

If this does end up resulting in a significant GPU down clock to under 1 TFLOP, the difference between it and the PS4 will be almost 2X. NUTS!!

 

[daripad]

Sony has to bring the games. They have the power!

 

[DC1]

So.... I can't fix this one by wrapping it in a towel?

....Goreomedy!

 

[1-D_FTW]

If, as these rumours suggest, PS4 is now about double the power, PS4 should be able to get pretty close to doing 1080p 60fps when XB1 manages 720p 30fps. Certainly shouldn't be far off.

How are you arriving at that? Even if this did have a direct correlation to framerates, you're talking 4X the performance right there. Not the 2X being discussed here.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

So.... I can't fix this one by wrapping it in a towel?

You need to show your bare arse to Kinect to get it working again.

 

[kalidor]