matrix-cat
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Kojima, you can quit MGS as soon as you've made this game.
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Kiefer Sutherland is the new Snake
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Kojima, you can quit MGS as soon as you've made this game.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
NOOOO! I'M SET IN MY WAYS AND HATE CHANGE! EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN I WAS 12!
Very good choice Konami. I'm very cool with this.
Yeah, well, Kojima is known for being one the biggest, most fantastic trolls in the industry, so I could totally this as another mindfuck from him.
And it's not even denial: I like Hayter, but Sutherland sounds perfect for the BB part.
Graphics Horse
Member
There was at least one person arguing in this thread that Hayter should be playing 12 year old Solid Snake in this game.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Catch me on more 24s than Kiefer Sutherland
I still think that Hayter is involved and/or is playing Snake, but my reasons are split.
On one hand, being a fan of the series for over a decade now, it's hard to think of a MGS game without him. He is Snake. Part of me doesn't want to accept that Kojima's vision may be that Snake should be voiced by someone else, even if that someone is a talented movie/tv star like Sutherland.
On the other hand, I still don't see why Hayter couldn't voice future projects that involved Solid Snake, like an apparent remake, or re-imagining of the original MSX Metal Gear games. Kojima hasn't really pidgenholed himself into saying that Hayter is out forever, or that Sutherland is the official voice of both Snakes now. Not to mention I'd find it pretty fishy that Hayter keeps involving himself in this. I understand times are a lot different, what with twitter offering a 24/7 soundboard, but Hayter comes off as pretty professional. He's in the movie business as well, he's not really hurting for work and I really don't think he'd keep twisting the knife about this game unless there was more to this than we know, especially given how much he seems to enjoy the series and the fans. That's all speculation of course.
I don't know. Maybe it's all just being hopeful on my part. It's hard to see a change like this, especially when it could be seen as unnecessary to most. Still, Kojima is known for bucking trends. He always has, and likely always will. The brilliant switch at the beginning of MGS 2 is still one of the greatest twists of all time, and added a lot of deeper meaning to that game, whether you realized it or not. I respect Kojima's vision. I'm not going to try and get some sort of petition for Hayter to come back, because at that point it feels like it's no longer art, but just a service for fans. I just hope this all turns out for the best, and I hope we do get to hear Solid Snake again, one way or another.
On one hand, being a fan of the series for over a decade now, it's hard to think of a MGS game without him. He is Snake. Part of me doesn't want to accept that Kojima's vision may be that Snake should be voiced by someone else, even if that someone is a talented movie/tv star like Sutherland.
On the other hand, I still don't see why Hayter couldn't voice future projects that involved Solid Snake, like an apparent remake, or re-imagining of the original MSX Metal Gear games. Kojima hasn't really pidgenholed himself into saying that Hayter is out forever, or that Sutherland is the official voice of both Snakes now. Not to mention I'd find it pretty fishy that Hayter keeps involving himself in this. I understand times are a lot different, what with twitter offering a 24/7 soundboard, but Hayter comes off as pretty professional. He's in the movie business as well, he's not really hurting for work and I really don't think he'd keep twisting the knife about this game unless there was more to this than we know, especially given how much he seems to enjoy the series and the fans. That's all speculation of course.
I don't know. Maybe it's all just being hopeful on my part. It's hard to see a change like this, especially when it could be seen as unnecessary to most. Still, Kojima is known for bucking trends. He always has, and likely always will. The brilliant switch at the beginning of MGS 2 is still one of the greatest twists of all time, and added a lot of deeper meaning to that game, whether you realized it or not. I respect Kojima's vision. I'm not going to try and get some sort of petition for Hayter to come back, because at that point it feels like it's no longer art, but just a service for fans. I just hope this all turns out for the best, and I hope we do get to hear Solid Snake again, one way or another.
Squirts Macintosh
Member
What the video doesn't specify is that Sutherland plays the voice of 'a' snake that speaks to 'the' Snake (Hayter) in his dreams.
Raonak
Banned
this is fucked on so many levels.
snakes voice was one of the most iconic things about him.
its shallow and jarring because 5 takes place immediately after PW, where he was Hayter.
they should've just given it to Richard Doyle.
hopefully Hayter still voices solid snake. cause of Sutherland becomes the voice of every snake that'd be massively dissapoint.
snakes voice was one of the most iconic things about him.
its shallow and jarring because 5 takes place immediately after PW, where he was Hayter.
they should've just given it to Richard Doyle.
hopefully Hayter still voices solid snake. cause of Sutherland becomes the voice of every snake that'd be massively dissapoint.
thesolidshark
Member
Here's my take on all this.
-I love all the snakes - Solid(us), Liquid, Naked, etc.
-I love David Hayter as a (voice) actor.
-I love Kiefer Sutherland as a (voice) actor.
-I look forward to what Kiefer brings to the production, and hope to hear a good middle ground between Hayter and Doyle being Big Boss at that time.
-I've played as Snake when there was 0 voice acting (MSX games), or Japanese voice acting, so the game as MGS is still guaranteed Day -1.
-I was disappointed when Patric Zimmerman took over as Liquid Ocelot instead of Cam Clarke, but I got over it and enjoyed what was there.
-I'm of the opinion that Big Boss/Naked Snake should've had a new voice actor to it, apart from Hayter, since all 3 snakes were considered clones at one point, yet had different voices.
-Most of all though, I/we don't know everything going on in the production, and if anyone can surprise us when it comes to the actual release of a game, it's Kojima. So I'll get the games(s) on release and see what it all works out towards.
-I love all the snakes - Solid(us), Liquid, Naked, etc.
-I love David Hayter as a (voice) actor.
-I love Kiefer Sutherland as a (voice) actor.
-I look forward to what Kiefer brings to the production, and hope to hear a good middle ground between Hayter and Doyle being Big Boss at that time.
-I've played as Snake when there was 0 voice acting (MSX games), or Japanese voice acting, so the game as MGS is still guaranteed Day -1.
-I was disappointed when Patric Zimmerman took over as Liquid Ocelot instead of Cam Clarke, but I got over it and enjoyed what was there.
-I'm of the opinion that Big Boss/Naked Snake should've had a new voice actor to it, apart from Hayter, since all 3 snakes were considered clones at one point, yet had different voices.
-Most of all though, I/we don't know everything going on in the production, and if anyone can surprise us when it comes to the actual release of a game, it's Kojima. So I'll get the games(s) on release and see what it all works out towards.
I still want to kick Kojima in the balls for dropping the theme.
Lionel Mandrake
Member
I'm sure this was brought up before, but am I the only one concerned with the fact that it's well-known that Kiefer is a pirate?
Wait, doesn't him saying that mean he did?
I guess you didn't either? MGS4 spoiler
Big Boss is not dead. That corpse shown earlier was Solidus, so his remains could not have been stolen, is my point because he's alive.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Just listening to this in another tab makes my brain overlay the Japanese VO from the MGS2 E3 trailer, watched that thing so many goddamn times way back then.
This trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq6L1HV5gz4
Which
explains why his 'remains' disappear, stolen by Zero and the Patriots to repair and preserve, using the remains of Solidus' body
Do they explain that in MGS4? Perhaps I don't recall that and I'm wrong.
Duane Cunningham
Member
No his remains are still stolen after MG2,
it's just that the burned stump in MGS4 aren't them. But from 98 to whenever they rebuild him, he still presumably looks about the same as fucked up Solidus...
EDIT: Oh, wait, you're saying that
he isn't truly 100% killed at the end of MG2. Okay, that's true. I probably should have said "remains".
How could I forget this example earlier!
also, about the recent spoiler bar subject:
Interesting, maybe it's why the Government wouldn't give up BB's body in MGS1. Because he's not dead, he's in a coma/plugged into the Patriot System/whatever that mess was about.
Manmademan
Member
pretty much. Big Boss is put into a coma and badly injured after MG2,
and is kept in a coma until right after MGS2 when the remains of solidus are used to reconstruct his body and he's brought out of it.
black_vegeta
Member
MGS24
Coffee Dog
Banned
Man, just came home to this news. Snake's voice was very very unique, it's one of the most distinguishing things about the character. Replacing it, in my opinion, is not a wise decision.
What does Kojima expect to get out of replacing Hayter? Does he expect to get people to take metal gear seriously? Because if he did, he'd have to remove himself from writing duties.
Metal Gear, when done right, has always been thick with a layer of pure cheese; Hayter got that. Quinton Flynn got that. Christopher Randolph and Cam Clarke definitely got that.
But will Kiefer get that? Does Kojima still? Trying to take Metal Gear and make it serious business might lose a part of what makes it so special. I am legitimately terrified of Kojima tackling an issue like race, like they mention in the video. The man has no subtlety when it comes to writing and it might do a lot of damage when it comes to the narrative.
What does Kojima expect to get out of replacing Hayter? Does he expect to get people to take metal gear seriously? Because if he did, he'd have to remove himself from writing duties.
Metal Gear, when done right, has always been thick with a layer of pure cheese; Hayter got that. Quinton Flynn got that. Christopher Randolph and Cam Clarke definitely got that.
But will Kiefer get that? Does Kojima still? Trying to take Metal Gear and make it serious business might lose a part of what makes it so special. I am legitimately terrified of Kojima tackling an issue like race, like they mention in the video. The man has no subtlety when it comes to writing and it might do a lot of damage when it comes to the narrative.
legacyzero
Banned
Can't say I'm angry by this. Wish Hayter could have done it.
I really want to see Keifer in action with a new trailer first, before I can judge.
I really want to see Keifer in action with a new trailer first, before I can judge.
His remains were stolen prior to this.
He said there were at least two more games in the series and I figure those are the remakes.
I just hope Sutherland doesn't overact like Hayter did.
Emperor Bohe
Member
rocketskates
Member
im expecting a big boss and solid snake encounter at the end of the game. its kojima.
Yeah, that definitely makes me rethink my theory. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense if they're trying to keep the same Snake for the Japanese version. Then again, if Kojima wants this to be "on a higher level" as he suggests, wouldn't the Japanese VO be replaced by some other talent as well?
Circle Jerk
Member
Maybe Hayter was the thing holding it back. It's not like he was a good actor. Honestly, Snake's voice always just seemed serviceable to me.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
The problem is, to most people he wasn't a very good voice actor. Every new entry in the series the acting got worse and worse IMO. Hearing him in MGS4 made me realize why he was axed. He was decent in the OG MGS, but every game after that I don't know what the fuck he was trying to do.
Either way, hopefully Jack Bauer does a good job and I hope the game is fun.