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PSN Plus needed to play online!!!

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Perkel

Banned
Ikuu said:
It's a special version so probably missing content, and the game could be shit for all we know.
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Why would that be stripped edition ?.

Vita PS+ started after 2-3 month and delivered Uncharted day1. With PS4 every month they will deliver new PS4 game. It is not just Driveclub. If they will take PS3/PSV road then you can expect 12 full retail games and ton of other stuff.

My biggest concern is not actual price or content but those people that does not have means to pay for online. There is ton of people out there that do not have credit card and getting PSN cards in rural places and for example in places like middle east will be a problem.

Also we should not forget brazilian (sorry aus) gaffers. They will need to pay 2-3 x of our price of console and same thing will be with PSC cards.

PS+ is probably the greatest subscription program to grace consoles which i love but there always need to be and option for people who don't have means to pay.

Xbox sold 80 mln of units and only half of them had gold to play online. I think the biggest reason why they started to charge for online is rise of F2P games.

edit: meant to say brazilian not australians
 
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dejay

Banned
Poetic.Injustice said:
Corporate apologists at their best. Might as well have added the words 'entitled gamers' to your post.
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Sorry, I just don't see how someone can get outraged over such a small amount of money, especially when there's definite value in there. I pay more than that amount for a weeks worth of fuel just to get me to work and back. I'd pay more than that if was buying a coffee twice a month. I've looked at the value proposition and concluded that I'm willing to pay it.

I'm not apologising for the company, I'm just saying that if Sony don't earn a profit they'll go broke, then there won't be a PS5. That's just a reality. I have no soft spot for Sony - I know about the board meetings and tactics they use to get this stuff in place. Every company looks at their customers like walking dollar signs and they care only about pleasing their shareholders, not their customers.

If the price is too steep, don't use it or don't buy a PS4 - you've got five months or so to make up your mind, it's not like they're sneaking it up on you.
 
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Red Liquorice

Member
I don't buy used games (but have sold many - privately/ebay not to chainstores), so PSN paywall should be a bigger deal to me - but Xbone has so many other ugly ways to errode consumers rights, I would happily take the hit of paid online play if these are the two choices.

Not that I'm happy about online being part of PS+ - It's OK people saying "But PS+ is awesome, I already have it so shut up". I don't care for paying for a game rental service I don't want, so the only thing I would be paying for is the online play, which makes it the same as XBL Gold to me - so sticking with Sony, I lose something I currently have for free that I will now have to pay for.

In the end if I get a PS4, I will just do what I did with XBL Gold, I'll buy monthly cards when I want to use it and let it expire when I don't. But I think it was sneaky of them to criticize MS in one breath and then sneak in an online paywall in the next.
 
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Blearth

Banned
SammiiDoogles said:
Can't believe people are still pissed off about this...

Both consoles are doing it.
The PS4 is £100 less to start with, plus doesn't block used games.

And you don't need to check in online and things like Netflix etc aren't behind the PS+ paywall (unlike on the Xbone). So on Xbone you have no choice but to pay for online for BASIC CONSOLE FUNCTIONALITY, whereas on PS+ you only have to pay for it if you want to use online. I see no problem here at all, especially given how great value PS+ is anyway.
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Because my PS3 games all had free online.
 
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IvorB

Member
Well they certainly did a good job sweetening the pot for this announcement. PS+ is amazing so no issues continuing to subscribe for that.
 
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FairXchange

Member
Running a robust system like Live or PSN, with security expectations, stability, speed, etc really isn't cheap. Why shouldn't there be a fee for online? My friends who play on Steam don't use in game chat, they use mumble. Sourcing these features to other companies is messy. Keep it under one company, keep improving the system and ask for a small fee for the service.
 
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Ikuu

Had his dog run over by Blizzard's CEO
Perkel said:
Why would that be stripped edition ?.

Vita PS+ started after 2-3 month and delivered Uncharted day1. With PS4 every month they will deliver new PS4 game. It is not just Driveclub. If they will take PS3/PSV road then you can expect 12 full retail games and ton of other stuff.
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Because the Vita bombed hard? They need to convince people to buy it much more than they do for the PS4. They announced it as the PS+ Version, which makes you think it'll be different in some way from the standard retail edition.

Considering it's not mandatory for online play, they have zero incentive to continue offering the same level of service they have in the past.
 
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Bossun

Member
Come on, how is that a big deal?

If paying 5$ a month gets me a better online service than what they have now I'm good.

And people complaining about paying to play online obviously have no idea how awesome PS+ is.

I mean I got on it for only one month with my ps3 and downloaded 6 games during that time.
Beyond good and evil and inFamous included.
 
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alstein

Member
DeathNote said:
You realize you need xbl for microsoft's drm? What's to say sony wouldn't have done both?... Maybe the disc tagging could have worked offline, or maybe online auth would have been cheaper instead of that tech.
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Yeah, and that's why XBone is HELL NO, and PS4 right now is just no.

If Microsoft dumped the phone home and XBL fees, I'd get the Xbone over the PS4, even at the higher price, I'd save money in the long run.

This is purely a money issue- I consider free online play as a right, even if most of GAF is willing to give it up because they got everything else they wanted (and I do understand that viewpoint, I just don't agree with it)

I do reserve the right to change my mind later, but I don't think I will.

Overall, I think the PS3 is going to do a bit better than last gen, but all of its gains are going to come from the other companies, and they're going to lose a decent portion of the folks who bought a PS3 over this (maybe 10%, while gaining 40-50% of 360 owners)

When PS4 gets PS2-like market dominance again (and I really think they will) do you think they're not going to revert back to their old days? Do you think that PSN+ won't become less of a value? I don't trust Sony not to be evil unless they have real competition, and right now- next-gen it looks like they won't unless MSFT backtracks FAST.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it's what has happened in the console industry ever since the NES- the market leader gets greedy. It will happen again.
 
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kvn

Member
It was sneaky because they just briefly mentioned it without any further explanation. But I'm not surprised and okay with this.
 
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Mad_Ban

Member
I was kind of salty before I realised that PS+ is what you need to play online. If it was just a fee to play online then I'd have been pissed, but PS+, for me, is great value for money and combined with the fact I don't REALLY play MP that much, it's being absorbed into a cost that I already have :p
 
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Ryuuga

Banned
Still doesn't dissuade my PS4 purchase considering I do most of my console gaming offline and my PC gaming online. I hope people aren't forgetting that they have this thing called "offline" that doesn't require online authentication.
 
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Parakeetman

No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Ikuu said:
Because the Vita bombed hard? They need to convince people to buy it much more than they do for the PS4. They announced it as the PS+ Version, which makes you think it'll be different in some way from the standard retail edition.

Considering it's not mandatory for online play, they have zero incentive to continue offering the same level of service they have in the past.
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I seriously think one reason why the vita "bombed hard" is due to the press constantly trying to pound it in the heads of people that its a failed system and theres LOL NO GAMES.
 
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Kenshin001

Member
Shig said:
First off, lemme repost this because it was lost in the fray:

Secondly, there are a lot of folks ignoring that PS+ throws significant discounts on purchasing your content permanently, not just 'renting' licenses through the IGC.

And not just a small handful of arbitrarily-selected old content like Live does; New releases are frequently discounted as well. If you have any interest in PSN games, what you save will more than likely offset the subscription fee and then some.

They're starting to be more aggressive with doing this with digital versions of new retail games, too, and their ability to do this is only going to grow the more leverage PS+ has. If a small yearly subscription fee makes inroads against the "we can't upset retail with our prices for DD games" excuse, then that's a net gain.
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Do you have figures for PS+ subscribers? The benefits are great but I like having a choice. I tried the trial and it wasn't for me. It's not a choice on PS4, you have to subscribe, you are being forced to pay to play online.
 
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UrbanRats

Member
Disgusting, basically killed the conference for me.
Yeah the idiots at Microsoft lend them a wave to comfortably ride, with the DRM shit "Oh, we're not going to rob you!" *everybody cheers like madmen*
So they were able to sneak this in while still passing off as the good guys.

Nah, fuck off.
 
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Ikkarus

Member
As a customer I don't like it. Granted PS+ has been great and getting cheaper games and free ones too is always going to please gamers. For someone like me who likes to occasionally dip in to multiplayer then I feel a bit grieved but nothing major.

Still I can't help but think perhaps Sony did this as a way of making customers choose between gaming on Xbox One and PS4, granted you can buy both but paying for the privilege to play both online leaves a really bitter taste.
 
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Perkel

Banned
Ikuu said:
Because the Vita bombed hard? They need to convince people to buy it much more than they do for the PS4. They announced it as the PS+ Version, which makes you think it'll be different in some way from the standard retail edition.

Considering it's not mandatory for online play, they have zero incentive to continue offering the same level of service they have in the past.
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1. Vita didn't bomb because PS+. PS+ is very reason why Vita is not yet dead.
2. You have 0 proof that they will worsen their level of service.
 
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hesido

Member
I'm a PS plus user and I'd rather Sony didn't do it, but if they use the extra income to make their infrastructure better, then I have to say I'm OK with it, as their main rival does this and gets away with it while still relying on P2P for the most part, grabs more than a billion dollars from subscription, and brags about their 300 000 server structure as a key point.

I still was expecting all those extra sharing features would be PS Plus exclusive while basic online functionality would be free.
 
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Shig

Strap on your hooker ...
Blearth said:
Because my PS3 games all had free online.
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Online functionality that was frequently lambasted as lacking compared to 360's.

It'd be nice to have your cake and eat it too, but if people expect feature parity to a pay service, they need to realize that maybe the pay service had some of its perks because their development and implementation were financed by the subs.
Kenshin001 said:
Do you have figures for PS+ subscribers?
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It doesn't take a detective to ascertain that PS+ adoption among PS3 owners is orders of magnitude lower than Live adoption among 360 owners.
 
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Ludicrous Speed

Banned
Caayn said:
Why are people surprised by this? It was to be expected that PSN wasn't go te be free forever. And I'd rather have this, yes I'm a Plus member, than the DRM policies of Microsoft.
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Why are people surprised? Because we've had free online for 10+ fucking years! And I NEVER pay to play PC games online.

It was never meant to be free forever? What the hell does that even mean? Source on that?
 
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Billen

Banned
Having payed for Live for so, so, so many years, and then being fucking spoiled by the PSN+ service that I was "only going to try"....I have no problem with this.

Edit: I should explain further. The idea of paying to be able to play online only is fucking silly, but since I will be paying anyway due to the other things they throw at you, well, I really can't say that there is a problem..
 
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Odahviing

Banned
off topic: Elder Scrolls Online is coming to PS4/Xbox One!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry cant make my own thread :(


ontopic: im interested to see the monthly fee price
 
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KAL2006

Banned
As a PSN+ subscriber this doesn't affect me, but I can see why people would be pissed (note PSN+ is awesome so dont worry). I am glad Sony didn't go all out by blocking Netflix and etc.
 
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Ikuu

Had his dog run over by Blizzard's CEO
Perkel said:
1. Vita didn't bomb because PS+. PS+ is very reason why Vita is not yet dead.
2. You have 0 proof that they will worsen their level of service.
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The Vita tanked, that's why they're giving away strong titles.
They have 0 incentive to continue the same level of service, they may continue on the same level but they have no reason to.
 
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pharmboy044

Member
So with PS+ being a reuirement for MP on the PS4, anyone worried that each member of their family will need a sub to play MP?
This is gonna become really expensive if that is the case. Hopefully they have a family plan or we can share the plan on the console itself.

EDIT: Nevermind, it looks like Yoshida confirmed that as long as one user has PS+, everyone can play MP on that console.
 
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robin2

Member
I really don't understand what's the point of crippling your online community by putting a paywall before the multiplayer?
And in an age where entry barriers are more and more removed (for example the success of the F2P model) too.
Dedicates gaming devices look already anachronistic to me, so this is just anachronism in anachronism :xzibit:.
 
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Perkel

Banned
Shig said:
Online functionality that was frequently lambasted as lacking compared to 360's.

It'd be nice to have your cake and eat it too, but if people expect feature parity to a pay service, they need to realize that maybe the pay service had some of its perks because their development and implementation were being financed by the subs.
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2007 yes
2013 ? no

cross game chat is not something that expensive. Skype does work without paying (for skype-skype calls) and i don't see why people should pay for basic feature like that.
Vita has cross game chat and better online functionality than x360 or Ps3 and it is free.


I think online paywall is actually created to fund GAIKAI and future of it. GAIKAI servers cost real money and their on-live approach will be very costly to run.
 
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Anteater

Member
- Having free online was one of the incentives of the playstation 3, I know things have changed for ps4, but I still hope they reconsider it, since a lot of people I know switched to the ps3 just because of free online, and you could probably find a lot of gaf that went with playstation for the same very reason.

- They could really get a lot of xbox owners to switch, or at least it would offer a even way better option than xblive with current model than it already is, plus subscribers will probably resubscribe because they're happy with the service, I don't think it's necessary to push for more.

- The reason I went with psn was because my friends and I play multiplayer games very sparsely and casually, we still play them but we can not find enough time to play them consistently and meet at the same time due to busy schedules, so we try to schedule once or twice per month just to play them, 5 dollars per month for an hour or two of multiplayer gaming (of games we bought mainly just for that) doesn't really justify the cost for us, especially in the long run.

- For me I still think plus is a good deal on the ps3, but I can't predict how good the service will be on the playstation 4 (other than free driveclub), so for people who are not going to keep subscribing for ps3/or does not own a ps3/vita, it's something to consider.

For me I think it will work out at the end, since I still bought the original xbox and 360 just for single player exclusives, I never paid a single dime for multiplayer, I like plus as a service and I use it for ps3, but I would not assume it will work for everyone.

I also hope psn will remain region free since I'm paying for a EU plus account currently :p
 
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Dave1988

Member
On the one hand, having online behind a paywall is totally a dick move on Sony's part. On the other hand, I will be renewing PS+ for another year either way once my current subscription ends so it doesn't affect me that much.

Still, a low bow by Sony by sneaking it like that into the presentation.
 
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leaf_

Member
Never seen a thread like :|

I have a feeling that there is a lot of the people complaining about this that at the same time have being paying live for the last few years, and now they are feeling cheated and angry cause there is a service vastly superior where you can actually get content for the money you spend. And now they are grasping at straws criticizing senselessness the new service to justify the last few years.
 
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alstein

Member
pharmboy044 said:
So with PS+ being a reuirement for MP on the PS4, anyone worried that each member of their family will need a sub to play MP?
This is gonna become really expensive if that is the case. Hopefully they have a family plan or we can share the plan on the console itself.
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They've already announced this won't be the case.

The one worry I'd have is region-locking of MP, so you'd need a Japanese PS+ acct to play Japanese games.

Sony will get away with this, as Microsoft screwed up that massively, and the WiiU just doesn't appeal to enough folks. I accept that. I kinda expected I'd be walking from consoles this gen due to something like this- I know Sony wouldn't pass up the money, especially since they're getting a ton of 360 refugees who are already used to paying the online junk fee.

IN reference to Above poster- The reason I got a PS3 and sold my 360 4 years ago was precisely because of XBL and Disgaea. I realized the $100 cost to switch consoles I'd more than make up by not paying for XBL.
 
Audioboxer

Audioboxer

Member
pharmboy044 said:
So with PS+ being a reuirement for MP on the PS4, anyone worried that each member of their family will need a sub to play MP?
This is gonna become really expensive if that is the case. Hopefully they have a family plan or we can share the plan on the console itself.
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Only one sub is needed on a console, Shui confirmed it.
 
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spwolf

Member
Perkel said:
Why would that be stripped edition ?.

Vita PS+ started after 2-3 month and delivered Uncharted day1. With PS4 every month they will deliver new PS4 game. It is not just Driveclub. If they will take PS3/PSV road then you can expect 12 full retail games and ton of other stuff.

My biggest concern is not actual price or content but those people that does not have means to pay for online. There is ton of people out there that do not have credit card and getting PSN cards in rural places and for example in places like middle east will be a problem.

Also we should not forget brazilian (sorry aus) gaffers. They will need to pay 2-3 x of our price of console and same thing will be with PSC cards.

PS+ is probably the greatest subscription program to grace consoles which i love but there always need to be and option for people who don't have means to pay.

Xbox sold 80 mln of units and only half of them had gold to play online. I think the biggest reason why they started to charge for online is rise of F2P games.

edit: meant to say brazilian not australians
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These they have PS+ cards in retail pretty much everywhere... here in my Eastern European country, Xbox is not officially sold and they have PS+ membership cards in retail for a while now... I guess PS+ has been selling good.

I general, I would say I am against paying for multiplayer, but it is so cheap and such a good value that everyone should have it anyway. It is pretty incredible.
 
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