The Dark Sorcerer, Tom Clancy's The Division, The Order: 1886 and Mirror's Edge.
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PS4: The Dark Sorcerer - Quantic Dream's full tech demo released
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nelsonroyale
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I am genuinely interested. What do people find in the Division video that looks particularly great. Don't get me wrong, I thought it looked very nice, very consistant, however, the gameplay demo was rather tame in terms of stuff going on/destruction etc. Personally, I think there have been a number of games that have looked as good or even more impressive. I agree with you that it is difficult to include this tech demo as it isn't yet a game. In terms of visuals, it looked far above stuff like the Division though.
Found some cam footage of the tech presentation, not very clear unfortunately and cuts off before its over...
Starts around the 14 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i6TiYLwHW4
Starts around the 14 minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i6TiYLwHW4
ComputerMKII
Banned
Well, it's a RPG first, a TPS second, and it's got incredible graphics..
Dragon1893
Member
Really impressive stuff.
Not hard when it's a tech demo. Sony and friends are always misleading with those.
ComputerMKII
Banned
God DAMN.
Thank you, kind sir.
Here's the 720p timestep link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i6TiYLwHW4&hd=1#t=13m54s
nelsonroyale
Member
RPG in what way may I ask? Seemed like a pretty conventional team-based shooter in the trailer. Is it an mmorpg then? Doesn't really interest me if it is but I will have to do a bit of reading.
Pristine_Condition
Member
Wow. They MUST release this tech talk in a proper video. Or better yet, let us have this demo to play with when we get our PS4s.
maquiladora
Member
I agree.
nelsonroyale
Member
Thanks a lot man.
KimonoNoNo
Member
Yes perfect.
dragonbane
Member
Sony maybe with PS3, but not Quantic Dream. They don't care about producing bullshit tech demos. They actually can and will deliver on their demos. They don't build them to just show off the power of the console, this is actually the baseline they try to reach and/or beat. That's why their tech demos never use all the available power of the console and features of their engine. Because they know pulling this off in a full game is not that easy. Their track record is flawless, if they say their game will look this good or better, it will.
Again, if a tech demo comes from Quantic Dream it is the real deal. Their tech demo for the PS3 was a lot less impressive than the bullshit CG demos Sony showed at their press conference, but that was because Quantic's demo was actually real and they delivered on that.
Naughty Dog will too. Just wait.
They use 64+ cameras for their mo-cap stage. They put them as close as possible to the actors to improve the results. That's why their capture stage is rather small. They capture full body, full face and voice at the same time (full performance capture). On Kara they used 90 markers on the body and 90 markers on the face. They capture the eyes as well (blinking and eye/iris movement). Additionally they also film them from several angles for reference footage. They have an automatic process for the data, which cleans up most of the data using custom created filters. After that facial animators improve the data further by hand using the reference footage to make sure the actor's performance is accurately represented.
That's really all there is to their capture process. I think their new PS4 engine and pipeline is the thing that makes this demo shine. Maybe they also don't have to compress their facial animations that much, that's why they look so much better. Most advancements probably come because of improved rigging and modelling. They have a shit ton of experience now and some very talented employees there. Some came from the CG industry if I'm not mistaken, which is probably a big plus.
I love this tech demo but for some reason the hair on the sorcerer looks awful. Really distracting considering how high quality everything else is. Still, the video is impressive as all hell and was quite funny. I didn't realize Cage actually had some comedy writing chops.
Wildstar75
Member
There was actually more than 3 characters in a scene when all the clones of that green dude (troll?) popped up
I think at one point there were probably 5-6 characters on screen.
KimonoNoNo
Member
That and the water splash on the sorcerer's face didn't look quite right for me.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
So you didn't read the thread then? Or you missed everything Quantic Dream did on the PS3? Their first PS3 tech/engine demo looks like absolute crap compared to the games (Heavy Rain and Beyond) they then made for the platform. I don't see why they would suddenly start over-promising when they've never done that before.
Refreshment.01
Member
Some things to point out:
1- Remember people talking BS about the capabilities of the machine when the UE4 demo received the downgra from SVOT lighting? Well this looks more impresive to me than the orignal UE4 demo runing on the Nvidia 680. More to do with the animation and performance capture of course but for what ever reasons more impresive.
2- Probably most impresive realtime demo i can remember, and this is including the AMD and Nvidia stuff.
3- It is using the cuarent assets QD has in Beyond. Whiuxh proves that even with cuarrent gen level assets games can be hugely improved visualy, withouth the necesity to increase budget significantly. So the BS better hardware = higher costs is proven wrong again.
4- The guy said the goblin is using just 7,000 Tris. Did i heard that wrong?
1- Remember people talking BS about the capabilities of the machine when the UE4 demo received the downgra from SVOT lighting? Well this looks more impresive to me than the orignal UE4 demo runing on the Nvidia 680. More to do with the animation and performance capture of course but for what ever reasons more impresive.
2- Probably most impresive realtime demo i can remember, and this is including the AMD and Nvidia stuff.
3- It is using the cuarent assets QD has in Beyond. Whiuxh proves that even with cuarrent gen level assets games can be hugely improved visualy, withouth the necesity to increase budget significantly. So the BS better hardware = higher costs is proven wrong again.
4- The guy said the goblin is using just 7,000 Tris. Did i heard that wrong?
lol Get that shit out of here.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
yes you heard it wrong: Maurice alone is using 700 000 of triangles, 40 different shaders and 350 MB of textures data and his entire body and cloth parts are interacting dynamically with the environments and not pre-animated. The framerates and graphics were unoptimized and are certain to improve.
Also, they said: "Our framerate isnt optimized at all sometimes we get 90FPS"
From: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/06/11/the-dark-sorcerer-a-next-gen-comedy/
"In the current demo, there are about a million polygons in the set, and a little less than a million per character on the screen (i.e. a total of 4 million when the three characters are on the screen). Each character has about 350 MB of textures and about forty different shaders. It’s all managed with Physically Based Shaders, volumetric lights, full HDR, Color Grading, Physical Lenses (particularly useful for chromatic aberrations and 3D depth of field), and translucence for more realistic rendering of the skin. The change of set and all the lighting (and the behavior of the shaders) between the dramatic version of the set and the “studio” version is done in real time. The same holds true for all pyrotechnical particle effects."
This and the next game of Naughty Dog will be the first to bust the myths of ingame one million poly characters: http://n4g.com/news/925192/naughty-...-with-million-poly-character-models#c-6221739
Just imagine the diagram in my link if they add the sorcerer comparison to it: the curve will go to outer-space lol !
Not only were the graphics very realistic but the performance and the behaviours just made the whole thing look too much natural and just miraculously skipped the uncanny valley for the first time and THIS IS ALL REAL-TIME. Even the CGI Audrey Hepburn in Galaxy Ice Cream add looked very unnatural compared to this REAL-TIME demo which will GET BETTER in a proper video game. I swear that everyone to whom I showed the video and isn't a video game expert, really believed that David Grant and the demon were real actors doing some green screen acting. It is very funny how a virtual acting can lure people. Something that even CGI movies couldn't achieve and this was REAL-TIME on PS4.
PS4 FTW !
dragonbane
Member
Yeah I think they said this is just a first attempt and hair is going to improve. This is probably their first try at rendering actual strands of hair and animating them. Cage said most features are not yet implemented into the engine, so this will probably be one of them. Teeth rendering for example looked pretty bad in the Kara demo, but looks fine in Beyond.
Cage said each character uses about one million polygons. Slightly under.
Also your point about the assets is correct. Current gen assets are mostly downgraded to fit on the consoles. On PS4 they can probably render their native assets without problems, which alone improves fidelity a lot.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
yes you heard it wrong: Maurice alone is using 700 000 of triangles, 40 different shaders and 350 MB of textures data and his entire body and cloth parts are interacting dynamically with the environments and not pre-animated. The framerates and graphics were unoptimized and are certain to improve.
Also, they said: "Our framerate isnt optimized at all sometimes we get 90FPS"
From: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/06/11/the-dark-sorcerer-a-next-gen-comedy/
"In the current demo, there are about a million polygons in the set, and a little less than a million per character on the screen (i.e. a total of 4 million when the three characters are on the screen). Each character has about 350 MB of textures and about forty different shaders. Its all managed with Physically Based Shaders, volumetric lights, full HDR, Color Grading, Physical Lenses (particularly useful for chromatic aberrations and 3D depth of field), and translucence for more realistic rendering of the skin. The change of set and all the lighting (and the behavior of the shaders) between the dramatic version of the set and the studio version is done in real time. The same holds true for all pyrotechnical particle effects."
This and the next game of Naughty Dog will be the first to bust the myths of ingame one million poly characters: http://n4g.com/news/925192/naughty-...-with-million-poly-character-models#c-6221739
Just imagine the diagram in my link if they add the sorcerer comparison to it: the curve will go to outer-space lol !
Not only were the graphics very realistic but the performance and the behaviours just made the whole thing look too much natural and just miraculously skipped the uncanny valley for the first time and THIS IS ALL REAL-TIME. Even the CGI Audrey Hepburn in Galaxy Ice Cream add looked very unnatural compared to this REAL-TIME demo which will GET BETTER in a proper video game. I swear that everyone to whom I showed the video and isn't a video game expert, really believed that David Grant and the demon were real actors doing some green screen acting. It is very funny how a virtual acting can lure people. Something that even CGI movies couldn't achieve and this was REAL-TIME on PS4.
PS4 FTW !
The demon guy does look astonishingly real (more so than the sorcerer, if you ask me), he's almost completely indistiguishable from the real deal to me. Just amazing.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Quantic Gods. I still can't get over how good the IQ and animation in that demo is. I would kill for a Heavy Rain 2 with that fidelity.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Yep true, he is very convincing !
I think the most interesting part is when he mentioned that the whole thing was running on PS3 tools and they had no time to have PS4 tools ready. Now i really want to see what they could pull of using Tools made for the system not just as he said shoving high fidelity assets in the PS3 tools.
WHOAguitarninja
Member
yes you heard it wrong: Maurice alone is using 700 000 of triangles, 40 different shaders and 350 MB of textures data and his entire body and cloth parts are interacting dynamically with the environments and not pre-animated. The framerates and graphics were unoptimized and are certain to improve.
Also, they said: "Our framerate isnt optimized at all sometimes we get 90FPS"
From: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/06/11/the-dark-sorcerer-a-next-gen-comedy/
"In the current demo, there are about a million polygons in the set, and a little less than a million per character on the screen (i.e. a total of 4 million when the three characters are on the screen). Each character has about 350 MB of textures and about forty different shaders. Its all managed with Physically Based Shaders, volumetric lights, full HDR, Color Grading, Physical Lenses (particularly useful for chromatic aberrations and 3D depth of field), and translucence for more realistic rendering of the skin. The change of set and all the lighting (and the behavior of the shaders) between the dramatic version of the set and the studio version is done in real time. The same holds true for all pyrotechnical particle effects."
This and the next game of Naughty Dog will be the first to bust the myths of ingame one million poly characters: http://n4g.com/news/925192/naughty-...-with-million-poly-character-models#c-6221739
Just imagine the diagram in my link if they add the sorcerer comparison to it: the curve will go to outer-space lol !
Not only were the graphics very realistic but the performance and the behaviours just made the whole thing look too much natural and just miraculously skipped the uncanny valley for the first time and THIS IS ALL REAL-TIME. Even the CGI Audrey Hepburn in Galaxy Ice Cream add looked very unnatural compared to this REAL-TIME demo which will GET BETTER in a proper video game. I swear that everyone to whom I showed the video and isn't a video game expert, really believed that David Grant and the demon were real actors doing some green screen acting. It is very funny how a virtual acting can lure people. Something that even CGI movies couldn't achieve and this was REAL-TIME on PS4.
PS4 FTW !
Million polygon characters seemes excessive to me. That's more than double the polygon count of characters in the Final Fantasy movie.
Refreshment.01
Member
Thanks for clearing that up people.
One of the highlights of the show for me, not just for the impresive tech but because it was really entertaining to watch. Even to people that arent invested in games in the first place.
I don't know if i say they are gods, gameplay in their games you know...
But i sincerly wish their games to sell well because i want these guys around pushing tech like this. I really do.
Sweet, merciful...that would be utterly Brilliant!
this was most impressive part for me as well...
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
It's already been reported that at the show floor demo at E3 they could stop, move and spin the camera around the scene showing it was fully realtime rendered scene with no pre-rendering.
I thought the same thing when he stepped on "stage". I almost thought they superimposed a real guy into the clip for extra comedic effect. So realistic.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Even Kojima is converting to mo-capping faces in MGSV. I don't see why Naughty Dog wouldn't. It is hard to hand animate a face of one million poly model like in their next game.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Well, people in that movie look significantly less photorealistic than the ones in this realtime demo (of course, that's not just because of polycount).
JCreasy
Member
Interesting you bring that up. I see Kojima mo-capping faces all by itself, and doing all the body mo-capping separately. I think that's a backwards way to do it. You can tell in the final results. Second Son is doing it perfectly by capturing face and body at the same time, like Avatar. The performance is synced between the two better that way. They've obviously done that here as well.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
mo-capping faces and body separately will to fully retarded and unnatural character behaviour who looks possessed ones where they body goes in a direction and they head seems not belonging to them just like L.A Noire. Beyond Two Souls is the first game to capture everything at once.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Anyone spotted the direct feed version of this yet? I don't care if it's 2GB or more. I want high quality
No sadly, even the Sony Press site only posted some screens but no direct feed video unlike the other games where they did post their highest quality direct feed trailers.
If company has a will and man and resource power to do million polygon model, and there is hardware that can support it, let them do it.
