I imagine it will happen soon.
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PS4: The Dark Sorcerer - Quantic Dream's full tech demo released
- Thread starter dragonbane
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I imagine it will happen soon.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Holy crap @__@
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Performance capture usually refers to recording body and face and automatically translating that into animation data using some kind of pointers or image analysis, etc. But ND has not been doing that for their facial animations. They made reference videos of actors' faces, but they'd hand animate everyone's face. They've done that on all three Uncharted games and now on TLOU. They'd also partially hand-animate bodies, but only where mocap didn't quite work.
I love their artistic approach to this, they've gotten so much better at it too (just look at UC1 after seeing TLOU) but I too wonder how far it can get them compared to something like this, which looks practically like perfection in terms of movement believability.
I think they can get better than Second Son. In fact, I find their work on TLOU already more appealing than Second Son (with the caveat that I haven't seen much SS footage) This demo however is another story.
Trickster
Member
something something diminishing returns bla bla...
dragonbane
Member
Yeah not even close. Still so much improvements to be made and new shit to explore. Diminishing returns indeed happen, but that is because of the developers, not hardware power.
Jean Valjean
Member
The demon guy looks a lot like Andy Serkis.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Anyone else think this was really well written? Good job Cage.
Their tech demos seem to end up better than their games. The end was hilarious.
From what I read, probably from Gaf, the guys don't have an exclusivity deal with Sony. They said that they have no plans to go multiplatform anytime soon because Sony lets them do whatever they want when they want... something like that.
AppleSmack
Banned
I don't believe it. Maybe at the end of the gen we will see games that look like that.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Then your place isn't in this thread, this thread is only for the cult believers. /s
Believe.
dragonbane
Member
I believe! Pretty funny that TeamCG was actually not that wrong about next gen. It's just Quantic Dream that are doing it first and not Kojima
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
I believe! Pretty funny that TeamCG was actually not that wrong about next gen. It's just Quantic Dream that are doing it first and not Kojima
Haha, THIS !
JCreasy
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bgassassin
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Not sure if this was posted yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i6TiYLwHW4
Some interesting notes:
At the end they move the camera around the set and change between the two different lighting situation. Really impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i6TiYLwHW4
Some interesting notes:
- Running at 1080p @ 30 FPS, textures are native to 1080p resolution, framerate was not optimized
- 1st generation of QD's PS4 development cycle
- They did not use PS4 tools, they used their PS3 development pipelines (same as Beyond) and just used high fidelity assets
- Only 4GB of dat GDDR5 is being used
- The set is 1 million polygons
- The lighting is dynamic as is the shift between the film lighting and the studio lighting, which they are able to shift back and forth within 1 single frame
At the end they move the camera around the set and change between the two different lighting situation. Really impressive.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Very impressive considering the early nature and limited amount of memory.
Edit - Very technical speak. I enjoy this stuff when talked about. Glad PS4 devs are opening up like this.
It was posted earlier in this thread but a summary is always nice, so thanks.
He said that the fps was 30-90, so I fixed that for you.
GoofsterStud
Member
Wow that is amazing. They did a lot with those limitations! Can't wait to see the next version.
Pristine_Condition
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That rig they are using for facial capture on Second Son is really cool. The stereo cameras for capturing the facial movement are actually mounted on that facemask-like bar worn by the actor.
Looks like there's also a microphone right there too. So we should be able to get some really subtle vocal performances that could only be captured via close-micing.
Don't think I've ever seen a piece of kit like that before. Makes a lot of sense to do it that way. Seems like you could attain a lot more accuracy than tying to mo-cap the face from the normal mo-cap cameras.
Pristine_Condition
Member
That rig they are using for facial capture on Second Son is really cool. The stereo cameras (looks like 4 of them actually) for capturing the facial movement are actually mounted on that facemask-like bars worn by the actor.
Looks like there's probably also a microphone right there too. So we should be able to get some really subtle vocal performances that could only be captured via close-micing.
Don't think I've ever seen a piece of kit like that before. Makes a lot of sense to do it that way. Seems like you could attain a lot more accuracy than tying to mo-cap the face from the normal mo-cap cameras.
googleplex
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Yes, please tell me how the PS4 is "just" a mid to low level PC from 2012 again.
Please show me a mid level PC that pulling this off.
That demo is just insane. When the screenshots are supersampled via scaling down, I really can't tell whether it's a photo. Nope it's not a photo, it's a game engine, and it's running real time.
Of course you have to remember, that it's just a scripted demo running real time. There's no player interaction, physics, AI, various dynamic assets which surely can hog a lot of that horsepower.
How ever considering how Quantic Dreams games have been so far (more like interactive movies - which I don't consider a bad thing) I can totally see them pulling out something like this for their first PS4 game, and it will be awesome.
On PC's for years there have been pretty damn impressive tech demos by nvidia and amd which represent what's their new gfx card capable of, too bad that still a fraction of that level of detail have we really seen in a game.
Of course you have to remember, that it's just a scripted demo running real time. There's no player interaction, physics, AI, various dynamic assets which surely can hog a lot of that horsepower.
How ever considering how Quantic Dreams games have been so far (more like interactive movies - which I don't consider a bad thing) I can totally see them pulling out something like this for their first PS4 game, and it will be awesome.
On PC's for years there have been pretty damn impressive tech demos by nvidia and amd which represent what's their new gfx card capable of, too bad that still a fraction of that level of detail have we really seen in a game.
Sure. Ask Cage to release the executable. And not "low" - mid is more factually accurate.
E-Cat
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In terms of the CPU and GPU, it absolutely is (mid-level, not low). Obviously, there's also the fast memory and interconnects.
This is the result of optimizing for a single platform; it's what many have been saying all along. It's still sad--but understandable--that the PS4 isn't even slightly more powerful. Not because a weak PS4 wouldn't still exceed the PC in some scenarios, but because near parity with cutting-edge PCs at launch is the historical precedent and would've yielded even more spectacular graphics.
nelsonroyale
Member
Noe of the Nvidia or AMD demos look anywhere near this good overall, but that is also probably because they are not game designers, and their demos often have pretty crumby art.
Clothes, jewelry and hair look like real-time physics objects to me.
Went to look for for videos to prove myself, but yep you're right. My memory served me wrong, I remembered they looked way better than they actually did.
Can be, but also they can be somewhat precalculated, animated or fixed. If the physics are real time then daymn.
Still, easily the most impressive tech demo I've ever seen.
nelsonroyale
Member
Yeah, this is the first time I have seen QD output a demo where all the elements pretty much come together. On PS3, environmental detail has taken a hit compared to character graphics. Here the environment also looks excellent. And this is the first iteration of their engine.
I wish ND had showcased a tech demo though...
Pristine_Condition
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In addition to the cloth, hair, jewelry, ect that -SD- mentioned, there's lots of fire, smoke, particle effects, and of course the part where the Actor gets a face full of water. Those are all dynamic, physical calculations too.
dragonbane
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Pretty sure it is not precalculated. It says at the end that they used the Havok physics engine for the game physics and the clothing. Also the dev who held the presentation posted this on his public facebook account:
Also they demonstrated the dynamic clothing later on for the people attending the demo:
Metalmurphy
Member
lolol
robertsan21
Member
most impressive demo I have seen. Man the PS4 is a beast! cant wait to see what devs bring for the PS4.
Why is that funny? If you release the executable to your demo, I can run it on a wide variety of PCs for you and bench it and all that fun stuff.
The PS4 is going to be a great console, I'm quite sure of that - but its parts are a known quantity, as published by SCE, and it is what it is. Facts are facts.
JohnnySasaki86
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did they say how many polygons the characters were? The old man and the troll look ridiculously good. 500k+?
Metalmurphy
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It would have to be ported. They can't just release the " executable".
And what mid end pc has 8GDDR5 with a APU and an overall architecture with insane bandwidth?
Your facts seem to be ignoring many other facts.
And what mid end pc has 8GDDR5 with a APU and an overall architecture with insane bandwidth?
Your facts seem to be ignoring many other facts.
dragonbane
Member
Try 1 million
They said all of the 3 characters are close to pushing 1 million polygons each. Naughty Dog was also recruiting artists for one million polygon characters recently. So I guess we might actually see insane next gen characters in games soon (at least those by Quantic Dream and Naughty Dog) If you're going to bust out the 8gb of gddr5 defence then we don't really have much to talk about here, other than "lololol" or whatever it is that you responded with originally. Apus and shared fast memory are great, but the hardware power is a known quantity thanks to Sony. When people say things like "mid range pc", well... These are indisputable facts, despite the fact that it contains things that other PCs don't have.
As far as this and most other games you've seen at e3, development started on pcs. There is source code that could be compiled and released for PC if mr cage wants us to bench it for him, similar to stuff like the NV And ATI demos of yore.
None of this takes away from the ps4 being a great console, either. It's just what it is.
But in the end it is all about what graphics you finally get and Sorcerer is by far and away the most impressive real time graphics i have ever seen
IMO it even beats most of CGI movies, it just feels so much more detailed than most i have seen (and i have seen them alsmost all)
Why would the exact power of PS4 make any differece to how unbelievable that demo looks ?
And the fact that they are not even remotly using PS4 to its fullest is even more impressive
Metalmurphy
Member
Are you serious with this shit? Developing in a PC environment does not mean you can just hit the " Compile to PC" button and be done with it. Where do you come up with this shit?
And you are the one that seems to be busting out the "lol gddr5" defence. I consider the overall unified architecture to be a bigger deal.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Sorry for the shitty stream pics.
Just unbelievable lighting, I still can't believe it. It's photoreal.
I've never been more excited for a new generation.
Just unbelievable lighting, I still can't believe it. It's photoreal.
I've never been more excited for a new generation.
Krauser Kat
Member
all he is saying is, if we hack the ps3 and run synthetic benchmarks a mid range pc gpu and cpu will score better on a pc.
No one is going to code a game to run on an i3 quad with 8gb ddr3 and a mid range gpu (AMD7830 with 4gb GDDR5) but if they did, it could probably looks pretty fucking similar.
Im not going to comment on the awesomeness of this tech demo until i see it running in front of me.
PLASTICA-MAN
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He clearly showed Maurice with his clothes parts interacting with each otehrs and with the envinroment when he was doing pushups. he also said the the physics are all dynamic and not pre-animated.
PLASTICA-MAN
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He clearly showed Maurice with his clothes parts interacting with each otehrs and with the envinroment when he was doing pushups. he also said the the physics are all dynamic and not pre-animated. I already said that a page ago. Please read comments in this thread and watch the video next time before saying something that was already answered.
Pretty sure it is not precalculated. It says at the end that they used the Havok physics engine for the game physics and the clothing. Also the dev who held the presentation posted this on his public facebook account:
Also they demonstrated the dynamic clothing later on for the people attending the demo:
Thanks
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Sorry for the shitty stream pics.
Just unbelievable lighting, I still can't believe it. It's photoreal.
I've never been more excited for a new generation.
This is of a very advanced version of the subsurface-scattering. It looks creepy some times. I hope they use it to show extreme scenes like showing the veins of some animals or a foetus or used in their nude scenes ( I hope they show more this time, the technology allows to fully showcase special members )
Here is the first time it was used, look at the veins of the aliens and inside their bodies when they got lit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg3oliNPoc8
At that time it was revolutionary (it was a PS3 tech demo too), now it looks laughable compared to The Dark Sorcere !
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
deep down on ps4 looks great
Wow From where did you get it?