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Nvidia Shield Thread

ShowDog

Member
I went through all of the troubleshooting steps and followed the guides on the device itself. Everything works - just can't play the games on my device.

Trying NVIDIA's live chat...God help me.

EDIT: lol turns out I did not have NVIDIA Shield Update 50...when I checked the updates prior it said none available. This should fix it! I'll report back.

EDIT2: It's woooorking!! Man, this is great. I have my HTPC hooked up to my TV and I can literally play Borderlands 2 with the Shield as the controller while using the TV as the screen - the lag is that minimal!!! Sniping and all!

EDIT3: well, it has it's issues here and there. Not perfect. Hitches are surprisingly frequent. It's strange - moved closer to the router and it seems like things got a bit more hitchy.

Surprisingly enough I tried several games on several units at e3 and noticed no lag, no hitching, and no artifacting when trying PC streaming. You would think that would be the worst possible environment for wireless streaming. That left me pretty impressed.

In the wild I can see all sorts of issues presenting themselves, as with any new niche technology implementation.
 

Tobor

Member
I was not impressed with the diagonal inputs. Maybe it was the game I tested, but it reminded me of the 360 d-pad which I've never been a fan of.

When I get some time I will use it more and maybe change my mind.

edit:

Just tried a few other games, and the d-pad is ok. Not great for fighting games (mainly FQCF, QCF was ok), but easily passable for most platformers..

Cool, thanks for the update.
 

Lonely1

Unconfirmed Member
Why is so hard to build a D-pad? The NES Dpad patent is expired, use that... \Throws Ouya controller out of the window
 

Li Kao

Member
Why is so hard to build a D-pad? The NES Dpad patent is expired, use that... \Throws Ouya controller out of the window

Yeah and let's not associate the use of a good dpad with emulation only. My experience with Rogue Legacy was horrific until I switched to a decent dpad.
 

dochuge

Member
So how easy is it to set up PC streaming? I downloaded geforce experience and pretty much I need a new graphics card. It said the bare minimum was a gtx 650 which I can get for about 100 used online. I currently have a 200 series card that isn't going to cut it. All other factors, ram, processor speed, is a go according to the experience. Still, 100 dollars is still 100 dollars considering I just plunked down cash for the shield. I don't want to switch graphics cards and have it be difficult to use.

Also, my router is in my den. The PC is in the living room about 10 feet away and my bedroom where I'd like to play the shield is 15 feet from the router. Yes, there are walls in between. Anyone know or test out how well this works from that distance? I'm a little nervous, my WII U is about 10 feet away from my bedroom and it the gamepad will occasionally drop out. Thanks.
 

PaNDaSHaT

Neo Member
So how easy is it to set up PC streaming? I downloaded geforce experience and pretty much I need a new graphics card. It said the bare minimum was a gtx 650 which I can get for about 100 used online. I currently have a 200 series card that isn't going to cut it. All other factors, ram, processor speed, is a go according to the experience. Still, 100 dollars is still 100 dollars considering I just plunked down cash for the shield. I don't want to switch graphics cards and have it be difficult to use.

Also, my router is in my den. The PC is in the living room about 10 feet away and my bedroom where I'd like to play the shield is 15 feet from the router. Yes, there are walls in between. Anyone know or test out how well this works from that distance? I'm a little nervous, my WII U is about 10 feet away from my bedroom and it the gamepad will occasionally drop out. Thanks.
The distance is on your router. When I was testing it at work I was able to play from 100ft or so using a consumer router. Setup is easy- same network, update your drivers/GFE and Shield. PC Streaming tab-> connect to your PC.
 

bennyc12

Member
This has the potential to fail even worse than the N-Gage, which is saying quite a bit.

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It at least has the design sensibility not to look like a choco taco.
 

dochuge

Member
The distance is on your router. When I was testing it at work I was able to play from 100ft or so using a consumer router. Setup is easy- same network, update your drivers/GFE and Shield. PC Streaming tab-> connect to your PC.

Thanks much for the info. 100 ft is great and way more than I need. It's a router I rent from comcast, relatively new, I got it last month. It at least meets the minimum specs. Its my card that's been the weakest link in the armor.
 

Alienous

Member
I keep seeing people on Youtube who demo the device's streaming capability directly in-front of the computer and monitor the device is streaming from. Can you stream from any useful distance?

I just don't understand why Nvidia expect people to want one of these.
 

PaulloDEC

Member
Seems like a great device for the right kind of person. I'm not sure there's enough "right" people to make much of a profit, but I can only assume Nvidia have produced these in small enough numbers to not do themselves any damage.
 
I keep seeing people on Youtube who demo the device's streaming capability directly in-front of the computer and monitor the device is streaming from. Can you stream from any useful distance?

I just don't understand why Nvidia expect people to want one of these.

You should be able to stream from any distance as long as both pc and Sheild are connected to the home wifi. Maybe some of the problems that persist are the strength of the wifi signal.
 
The device seems to be sold out on Newegg and Nvidia's own site. There's no way to know how many Nvidia sent them, but it would seem that it's selling pretty well.
 

Azriell

Member
This device sounds like a dream come true for me, and I'm sort of surprised at how down on it people are. Yeah it's ugly, but it's basically giving you the same freedom (or more) that an HTPC gives you as a PC gamer, without having to actually hook your pc up to the tv.

I'm more of a console gamer than a PC gamer, and really these days I'm more of a handheld gamer than anything. I built a pretty nice gaming PC 6 months ago and started building my Steam library fairly quickly. But I'm married and I have kids, and thus I don't have a lot of time to play games on my tv or pc, both of which are in my bedroom. So I play a lot of handheld games because that way I don't have to wall myself off from my family. Once I'm confident the streaming works great and the price hits ~$150, I'm in and will finally be able to enjoy all of my PC games I've been missing out on.
 

nampad

Member
Any info on the Hawken release? Pretty interested in how it looks and runs on Shield. Only quality game I know of which could get me buying a Shield.
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
This device sounds like a dream come true for me, and I'm sort of surprised at how down on it people are. Yeah it's ugly, but it's basically giving you the same freedom (or more) that an HTPC gives you as a PC gamer, without having to actually hook your pc up to the tv.

I'm more of a console gamer than a PC gamer, and really these days I'm more of a handheld gamer than anything. I built a pretty nice gaming PC 6 months ago and started building my Steam library fairly quickly. But I'm married and I have kids, and thus I don't have a lot of time to play games on my tv or pc, both of which are in my bedroom. So I play a lot of handheld games because that way I don't have to wall myself off from my family. Once I'm confident the streaming works great and the price hits ~$150, I'm in and will finally be able to enjoy all of my PC games I've been missing out on.

It would be very awesome of you could stream any game but it's quite limited at the moment.
 

bkw

Member
I'd be kinda interested in the whole streaming thing, but it's a tad expensive at 300. HTPC hooked up to both the TV and a monitor, then this thing for gaming in bed or in some other non-entertainment/office room.

Is there something special about the hardware that allows it to be a streaming client? I get that nVidia would lock the feature to the Shield just to sell the thing, but is the client part hardware or purely software? Seems like the majority of the tech and heavy lifting would be on the graphic card in the PC.
 

isamu

OMFG HOLY MOTHER OF MARY IN HEAVEN I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES AAAAHHH
I found the following posts quite interesting:


The Vita has been out for a while now, so I'd assume there's some decent games for it, but I would like to know in your opinion, which system you feel is better for dedicated games(NOT streaming..let's pretend it doesn't exist for a moment)? This may sound crazy to die hard Sony fans, but after examining the extensive game library of games on GooglePlay, I honestly think it has better and more enjoyable android games than what's available on the Vita.

What are your thoughts, and which unit would you buy right now if you didn't already own a Shield and even if you didn't care about streaming?

I just sold my Vita for this. The Vita while nice was too locked down, small eco system of apps doesn't get regular updates or enhancements. The browser was lacking, I don't expect will ever change much-- the PS3's hasn't.

Games are hit and miss. They have PlayStation Mobile but you rarely see any of the bigger Android/iOS games make it to the system. Few of the big name games brought any real depth, most of the good stuff was PSN indies but that isn't enough to save the system from being replaced. The list of Tegra enhanced, physical control ready games on the Shield website is quite the "launch list", if it were any other main stream system the reviews would applaud this fact.

I don't want to game on a tablet but I do want to play games while sitting in the same room as my family-- because at 30 years old I can't always disappear to my PC for hours on end. It's a big deal to be in the same room even if you're doing different things. The Shield offers lots for a guy like myself and others like me

On my end. I was really excited about PlayStation Mobile (PSM) a year ago. For me I thought I was going to see these popular mobile games everyone is talking about. A year later my Vita still had the same PSM titles from when it launched. Quite a few good ones but nothing new I wanted to play. It's a disappointing service at the moment.


Thanks for the reply. I know where you're coming from. The attraction to VITA just isn't there for me. I think what really killed my buzz was the announcement that Ridge Racer Vita runs at 30fps, and only has a handful of tracks. That pissed me off something proper. I think ever since then I just wasn't feeling it. Plus, to be honest with you, I really like the physical shape and design of the Shield over any other portable I've seen. Seriously...many people call it ugly but to me it looks like a badass micro beast! My hands are big so I'm sure once I get one they'll fit around the Shield nicely.
 
Initial Impression
Holy crap this thing is heavy! I've owned a lot of portables over the years and even the bigger ones (Lynx, Nomad, Game Gear) didn't feel quite as heavy as the Shield. The good thing is that once the scree is open and it's held like a controller, the weight is pretty evenly distributed.

The Device
The device feels very solid and quality made. The bottom is lined with a rubber material for grip which feels soft to the touch and definitely helps when gripping the system. It's a big system, no doubt about that. I should have compared it to an Xbox 360 controller, but to me it feels about that size if not a little larger. It's still very comfortable to hold, at least for my hand size.

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What I found that when holding the device is that the analog thumbsticks fall within good reach and never felt like it was a strain to reach for them. I thing NVIDIA designed the placement very well and my thumbs naturally fell onto them with little effort.

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All of the buttons feel great and feel just right. I've used controllers where buttons are either too stiff or too spongy, but the Shields feel great.

There are 4 sets of trigger buttons on top and again, all feel nice and firm and of good quality. Again, NVIDIA did a very good job with the actual device and this feels like a quality product.

The screen is very nice and is very clear with good brightness and vibrancy. It's not "retina" quality, but darn close as far as I can tell. The viewing angles are very good from the sides - I can almost view turning it completely to the side. The screen doesn't flip up quite like a 3DS does where, if you're familiar, its snaps into place. Instead, it opens more like a laptop does where you can open and set the screen to the desired position until it is completely flat with the device. I like this since it allows the screen to easily be positioned at any angle I might need.

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Overall, I'm really surprised by the quality of this device. It does not feel cheap and flimsy at all. Instead, I have the same initial feeling as I did with my Vita. I always felt like Sony nailed the feeling with the Vita and the Shield is pretty close to it's quality - just on a larger scale.

The Games

Here are my initial impressions on some of the games and how the controls worked for me.

GTA Vice City - near perfect as far as I can tell. Buttons seem to be what I remember them to be on the PS2 and everything feels responsive and great. Camera control is set to the right analog which makes rotating and moving the camera up and down perfect. There are display options which seemed to be defaulted at the lowest settings. I maxed out everything and the game is still buttery smooth.

Sonic 4 - Have and issue with the d-pad not working, but the left analog controls sonic pretty well

Cordy 2 - good feeling and very responsive with D-pad and analog. On screen control buttons stay up, but aren't too distracting.

GLDOOM - Good controls, and the right analog even controls up down view, but is inverted. Everything is mapped well, but on screen controls stay up while playing.

Riptide GP 2 - solid analog controls with triggers used for accelerate and brake. very nice and beautiful game.

Dead Trigger - One of my favorite iOS games is that much better with real controls. Game looks fantastic on the Shield. When I logged in, it even brought over my game save from the iOs version so I can continue from where I'm at.

Mupen64 - I really have always wanted a portable N64 and this emu makes it darn close. Controls can be fully customized to different layouts and then individually saved. I mapped out Goldeneye to be more like modern FPS controls and it plays great. Good speed on the emulator as well and even offers the option to speed up the game which increases speed. Happy!

Onlive - games stream and look decent on the shield. Controls are all mapped and work great for those games that offer controller support within Onlive. I did find that some games (bioshock, duke nukem forever) did not run on Android devices for some reason. Some of my favorites are fine (split second, Just Cause 2) so I will be enjoying those since I cannot stream from the Pc.

I think that's all I messed with tonight. I really wish some of the Gameloft games (Asphalt and Modern combat 4) were compatible with the Shield, but I cannot download them. I really want more racing games as well that work with these controls!

Overall, I'm satisified with my purchase so far. I have always wanted an iOS device with actual controls that work and I'm getting that so far with the Shield. Hopefully more games are released that are compatible with the controller, but so far I really like it.
 

isamu

OMFG HOLY MOTHER OF MARY IN HEAVEN I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES AAAAHHH
[I really wish some of the Gameloft games (Asphalt and Modern combat 4) were compatible with the Shield, but I cannot download them.

Wait, why aren't they compatible? I really would like to play those game once I get my Shield
 

Tom_Cody

Member
Not to get off topic, but why do you consider emulation piracy?
I didn't say emulation necessarily = piracy (though I mean something close to that).

Everyone seems to have their own definition of piracy. For the sake of my response I will define my own personal definition as playing games that one does not own against the wishes of the copyright holders of those games. I am under the impression that this accounts for ~99% of emulation that is discussed on GAF. What percentage would you say? 95%?

I probably should have just not brought this up since I don't think anyone is interested in a total derail of this thread. Besides, I'm not perfect. I've used torrent sites before. I guess the reason I made my original post was just that I'm constantly shocked that emulation-based piracy is so openly discussed on a forum that is home to so many people who work in the industry. I mean, you aren't allowed to discuss fan-subbed anime at all but people talk about emulation based piracy with no degree of modest. 10+ people in this thread have said that they want to buy this device for this reason.

Blah.
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On topic, this device greatly appeals to be in general. I probably won't buy the initial version but I will likely buy some version of this (maybe from Nvida, maybe from someone else) in the future.
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
sk3tch said:
This isn't the device for a non-early adopter. It's a bit rough from a software perspective right now...but for day 1 it is not that bad.
Sorry if this was already answered - but my number one question here has always been - does the streaming run 60fps or 30? (assuming the games in question run there of course).

It seems reviews on the web are explicitly avoiding answering this as well :( which is leading me to expect the latter.
 

sk3tch

Member
Sorry if this was already answered - but my number one question here has always been - does the streaming run 60fps or 30? (assuming the games in question run there of course).

It seems reviews on the web are explicitly avoiding answering this as well :( which is leading me to expect the latter.

I haven't had much time to play with the device with PC streaming - it was initially pretty great and then, as I said, it got pretty choppy as I moved away from the streaming PC and closer to my Wi-Fi router (which makes zero sense, I know). I'm going to try to go back to 5GHz today and see if that helps.

If anyone wants to get a mini-HDMI to HDMI adapter, I got one for $4 shipped via Monoprice - link.

EDIT: switched to my 5GHz AC network (was on 2.4GHz prior due to better connection quality at distance) and my Borderlands 2 play session was flawless. Hard to say the FPS. It was pretty smooth...but not what I'm used to (I game on 120hz panels) - so I may not be the best judge of 30 FPS versus 60 FPS (as both suck).
 
Sorry if this was already answered - but my number one question here has always been - does the streaming run 60fps or 30? (assuming the games in question run there of course).

It seems reviews on the web are explicitly avoiding answering this as well :( which is leading me to expect the latter.

It was meant to be the former. That was a big part of their argument that streaming would work well in a PC world with their dedicated hardware in their new GPUs. halving the render time for each frame makes it easy to get to acceptable input lag times.

I'd be very surprised if it wasn't capable of streaming at 60 fps in other words. Obviously your PC has to be capable of running the game at 60 fps.
 

Cheebo

Banned
I am still shocked at how near flawless the PSX and N64 emulation is. I didn't realize Android emulation has got this good.
 

sk3tch

Member
I am still shocked at how near flawless the PSX and N64 emulation is. I didn't realize Android emulation has got this good.

What apps are you using? I'm totally new to Android so I'm just kind of lost, haha. I had to Google how to close applications... :)
 
The Verge's review states they can get pretty much any game running when in Big Picture Mode that has controller support.

I'm confused as hell then, why does nVidia give a list of "supported" titles? I was under the impression that was literally "the supported" list, not a "oh we tested these and we confirm they work but everything else is likely fine" list.

Confusing message is part of the problem for this thing, I guess. I stand correct though, so thanks for that.
 

Absinthe

Member
I keep seeing people on Youtube who demo the device's streaming capability directly in-front of the computer and monitor the device is streaming from. Can you stream from any useful distance?

I just don't understand why Nvidia expect people to want one of these.

I tried streaming from my PC last night. My setup is a Dlink DIR-615 wireless router and a decent gaming PC with a 670.

Streaming, when it worked, was flawless. Mainly I played Dishonored, and Batman Arkham City. Both games ran smooth, input lag was minimal, and overall the controller felt comfortable. I was downstairs on my couch and the PC is upstairs along with the router.

I did run into a few problems with a random crash/software bugs. You can tell it's in beta, but from a functionality standpoint I was impressed.

does Guild Wars 2 work? via streaming

It might, but I doubt it. I tried Cube World which needs third party controller support and that did not work. Not sure if GW2 has controller support yet.

How are the speakers on this thing? NVIDIA was really bragging about its custom driver design of the speakers. By the lack of comments, I suspect it's nothing special?

I forgot to mention that. The speakers are really really good. They are loud, have decent sound, not too "tinny", and the volume is easily controlled. Also when streaming, the sound was good too.
 

Kokonoe

Banned
Thanks for the impressions, MicroByter, I'm definitely sold on this now. Probably won't get it till Nov/Dec, but I'm so hyped for a portable N64 with full controller.
 

Metal-Geo

Member
How are the speakers on this thing? NVIDIA was really bragging about its custom driver design of the speakers. By the lack of comments, I suspect it's nothing special?
 
Streaming, when it worked, was flawless. Mainly I played Dishonored, and Batman Arkham City. Both games ran smooth, input lag was minimal, and overall the controller felt comfortable. I was downstairs on my couch and the PC is upstairs along with the router.

That's great to hear, thanks for the info!
 

bee

Member
What apps are you using? I'm totally new to Android so I'm just kind of lost, haha. I had to Google how to close applications... :)

fpse is best for psx, dunno about n64 probably mupen though?

when's this thing on sale outside the US? i want one now
 

parazen

Neo Member
My wife and I only have one gaming PC, and no one likes to use it because we have a baby, and it's kinda messed up for one person to ensconce themselves in the office, while the other is responsible.

We've been thinking we needed to get twin gaming laptops, which would be a HUGE expense. However, the Shield could potentially be right for us. $600 for us to be able to play PC games while sitting next to each other on the couch isn't bad.

The only question mark for me is the games list and the Steam streaming. None of the games in the list really look like something you'd play with another person. If we could play Firefall on it, that'd be pretty awesome. Or when Destiny comes out, if we could play something like that together we'd be buyers.
 
Does the "Shield Games" menu integrate Steam and Android games? I was confused because it looks like Steam's BPM and had The Conduit and thought, It was ported to PC, but remembered the Android port.
 

sk3tch

Member
How are the speakers on this thing? NVIDIA was really bragging about its custom driver design of the speakers. By the lack of comments, I suspect it's nothing special?

I posted impressions on the speakers on the last page. They're incredible.

My wife and I only have one gaming PC, and no one likes to use it because we have a baby, and it's kinda messed up for one person to ensconce themselves in the office, while the other is responsible.

We've been thinking we needed to get twin gaming laptops, which would be a HUGE expense. However, the Shield could potentially be right for us. $600 for us to be able to play PC games while sitting next to each other on the couch isn't bad.

The only question mark for me is the games list and the Steam streaming. None of the games in the list really look like something you'd play with another person. If we could play Firefall on it, that'd be pretty awesome. Or when Destiny comes out, if we could play something like that together we'd be buyers.

If you're referring to buying two Shields to simultaneously stream from one PC - it's not possible. There's a one-to-one matching of gaming PC to Shield for streaming. So, in your case - you'd need two gaming PCs.

fpse is best for psx, dunno about n64 probably mupen though?

when's this thing on sale outside the US? i want one now

Thanks! Will check. Anyone else have emu recommendations? NES, SNES, Genesis, etc?
 

DirtyLarry

Member
So I am curious how the streaming from PC would work in this scenario.
I have a Gigabit Network at home. Every major component is hardwired, including my PC.
My PC is upstairs in my "office," hardwired off a switch that is connected to my router via around a 75 foot hardwire. Main router the switch is connected to is downstairs in my TV room. Again, PC is hardwired to a switch. Upstairs. Switch connects via 75 Foot (approximately) hardwire to router Downstairs.

So if my PC is upstairs, but my Wireless Router is downstairs, can I use the Sheild to do PC streaming downstairs and hopefully experience little to no lag?

That is the only reason I would purchase it. If the PC and the Wireless Router need to be in close proximity to eachother for performance to be good, then shit, I would just sit on my PC as I always do.

TIA to anyone that can answer. It is still a bit to pricey right now, but if it drops $50-$100, and it can handle the above scenario no issues at all, I would be into picking one up.
 

sk3tch

Member
So I am curious how the streaming from PC would work in this scenario.
I have a Gigabit Network at home. Every major component is hardwired, including my PC.
My PC is upstairs in my "office," hardwired off a switch that is connected to my router via around a 75 foot hardwire. Main router the switch is connected to is downstairs in my TV room. Again, PC is hardwired to a switch. Upstairs. Switch connects via 75 Foot (approximately) hardwire to router Downstairs.

So if my PC is upstairs, but my Wireless Router is downstairs, can I use the Sheild to do PC streaming downstairs and hopefully experience little to no lag?

That is the only reason I would purchase it. If the PC and the Wireless Router need to be in close proximity to eachother for performance to be good, then shit, I would just sit on my PC as I always do.

TIA to anyone that can answer. It is still a bit to pricey right now, but if it drops $50-$100, and it can handle the above scenario no issues at all, I would be into picking one up.

None of this matters - other than your wireless setup. So, yes, if your wireless router is far away from where you'd play with the Shield - then you may experience issues. Especially if your router is not in the "recommended" list - http://shield.nvidia.com/recommended-routers/. You could simply move your wireless router? Add an access point?

Honestly, if your Wi-Fi router can't do 5 GHz N then you may want to hold off a bit. I did 2.4 GHz N and the experience had some chop. 5 GHz N is a lot smoother.
 
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